Marco van Ginkel

[didierforever 7,349]

Luiz, Lukaku and Ba all wanted to leave. Torres hasn't left yet. Van Ginkel apparently doesn't want to leave either, and he hasn't.

I'm basing it on things I've heard from people I trust. He's eligible for a passport in October, no-one in this country wants to buy him and he doesn't want to leave until he's got it. Can't do much if he doesn't want to leave, but people at the club think he's served us well enough to deserve it.

Thanks for proving my point. Torres does not want toleave yet he is close to being sold. Mvg does not want to go on loan yet we were looking to loan him. And all this was not said by people you or I trust but by ac milan chairman and tabloids loke bbc and ssn. On the other hand, were their any rumors of us wanting to get rid off mikel? Anything concrete. That Proves that jose is happy having mikel in the sqaud.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Thanks for proving my point. Torres does not want toleave yet he is close to being sold. Mvg does not want to go on loan yet we were looking to loan him.

They're both still here though. You understand that right? Van Ginkel has apparently turned the move down and Torres is very much dictating his situation.

On the other hand, were their any rumors of us wanting to get rid off mikel? Anything concrete. That Proves that jose is happy having mikel in the sqaud.

Yes there were rumours. Mikel simply wasn't going.

You have some weird arguments sometimes.

[didierforever 7,349]

They're both still here though. You understand that right? Van Ginkel has apparently turned the move down and Torres is very much dictating his situation.

Yes there were rumours. Mikel simply wasn't going.

You have some weird arguments sometimes.

so? the point is jose does not want them. or does not feel they are needed for the squad!!! and that is the reason we are trying to sell/loan them. which we dint do with mikel. how bloody hard is that to understand..the point here is not what the player wants but what JOSE wants. seriously hw hard is that to understand man!!! some people just hear and read what they want to hear. simply weird indeed.

so now we are counting the dailymail rumors too?? fair enough.

[Myself 793]

Even if he doesn't get much game time, he'll still improve loads. I can see him getting 30 games this season and he's going to be training with some of the best players in Europe. Who knows, maybe Mourinho is going to go all out Football Manager and have Ramires / Fabregas tutor him?

[HD3D 1,038]

Here's a deal for Milan: if you want Van Ginkel, you MUST(!) take Torres too.

[iseah100 5,612]

so? the point is jose does not want them. or does not feel they are needed for the squad!!! and that is the reason we are trying to sell/loan them. which we dint do with mikel. how bloody hard is that to understand..the point here is not what the player wants but what JOSE wants. seriously hw hard is that to understand man!!! some people just hear and read what they want to hear. simply weird indeed.

so now we are counting the dailymail rumors too?? fair enough.

Bruh, you're so aggressive. Relax, yo.

[Magic Lamps 11,655]

A player that did nothing in football (and he won't play in Chelsea) saying no to ACMilan...

This guy has some real issues.

Everyone would say no to Milan. They are a sinking ship.

[The Mak 4,459]

I'm glad he's staying. Now I only hope MVG's development is put ahead of Mikel and his fucking passport.

[Roquila 1,335]

MVG doesn't want a loan: 'He is such a man, trying to fight for his place'
Torres doesn't want a loan: ' OMG cancer please leave already you're not wanted here'


I really want Torres to leave but there are some issues in this topic

[edetarod 2,155]

MVG doesn't want a loan: 'He is such a man, trying to fight for his place'

Torres doesn't want a loan: ' OMG cancer please leave already you're not wanted here'

I really want Torres to leave but there are some issues in this topic

not comparable at all

[Roquila 1,335]

not comparable at all

Players ? Not comparable.

Situations? Kinda.

Most here know i want Torres gone. I hate double standards though.

[laeth 527]

This the Mikel thread?

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I'm moving this to the Mikel thread.

[Jype 6,398]

MVG doesn't want a loan: 'He is such a man, trying to fight for his place'

Torres doesn't want a loan: ' OMG cancer please leave already you're not wanted here'

I really want Torres to leave but there are some issues in this topic

Ridiculous.

Marco van Ginkel could still have a future at this club and looks like he's willing to work hard for it. Going to Milan on loan might not have been the end of his career at Chelsea because there was no indication whatsoever that the loan would have been one with a view to make the deal permanent next year so clearly the club just wants him to develop as much as possible and thought it would be good for him to spend a year away but he had other ideas and I'm pretty sure Mourinho will love the kind of attitude he's showing.With MvG being a relatively cheap player by Chelsea standards, the club has absolutely no risk here but the player himself is risking one season during the most crucial years of his development to stay here and show he's got what it takes. He will have no guarantees that he will play but he's willing to stick around in hopes of getting a chance and making the most of it. Don't know about you but for me that's an exceptionally good attitude he's showing there.

Torres on the other hand has been at the club for thee and a half years and is clearly not up to the challenge of being a player of Chelsea FC. At the moment he's just leeching precious resources of the club without offering anything in return so if he were to decline Milan's offer it would be purely from a financial perspective and it's more than understandable for fans, who are paying his wages (regular match going fans of course more than others), to be displeased with the kind of attitude he would then be showing. Fans don't want him and neither does Mourinho so if he decides to stay past his welcome just because he can't get that kind of money elsewhere he deserves all the abuse he would get.

[Roquila 1,335]

Ridiculous.

Marco van Ginkel could still have a future at this club and looks like he's willing to work hard for it. Going to Milan on loan might not have been the end of his career at Chelsea because there was no indication whatsoever that the loan would have been one with a view to make the deal permanent next year so clearly the club just wants him to develop as much as possible and thought it would be good for him to spend a year away but he had other ideas and I'm pretty sure Mourinho will love the kind of attitude he's showing.With MvG being a relatively cheap player by Chelsea standards, the club has absolutely no risk here but the player himself is risking one season during the most crucial years of his development to stay here and show he's got what it takes. He will have no guarantees that he will play but he's willing to stick around in hopes of getting a chance and making the most of it. Don't know about you but for me that's an exceptionally good attitude he's showing there.

Torres on the other hand has been at the club for thee and a half years and is clearly not up to the challenge of being a player of Chelsea FC. At the moment he's just leeching precious resources of the club without offering anything in return so if he were to decline Milan's offer it would be purely from a financial perspective and it's more than understandable for fans, who are paying his wages (regular match going fans of course more than others), to be displeased with the kind of attitude he would then be showing. Fans don't want him and neither does Mourinho so if he decides to stay past his welcome just because he can't get that kind of money elsewhere he deserves all the abuse he would get.[/quote

Torres has signed a 5 year contract so he wants to be paid for 5 years. He wants another shot at a major trophy, he wants to be in a big club etc.... We can find millions of reasons why both like to stay. If torres fucks off i will be the first one opening a beer and wank furiously while reading TC.

'Why should Lukaku stay here and be 2nd choice? He made the best decision he could.'

'Mata is a coward for leaving. He was 4th/5th choice AM, he was one injury awar from getting playtime.'

This is my point.

Edit: im on my phone and its buggy as hell.

[Reddish-Blue 2,347]

http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Hull-City-transfer-talk-Chelsea-8217-s-Marco-van/story-22848010-detail/story.html

Apparently Hull are interested in Van Ginkel

Maybe a short-term loan deal?

[Namika 922]

http://gianlucadimarzio.com/en/calciomercato/chelseas-van-ginkel-wont-play-against-everton-and-in-the-champions-league-milan-have-set-the-deadline/

Not selected against Everton and in the CL squad.

[nyikolajevics 2,578]

Milan is a fantastic club but I'd prefer a PL-club for him.