Punk Music

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Not only that. Straight edge has become an ideological attitude how to live. Even nowadays, and especially nowadays I might have to say, the spirit of being straight edge is become more and more popular.

Very true. Too bad the majority of people don't know where this "spirit" came from, though..

I mean just imagine going up to a teenage girl who's a vegan because it's 'cool' nowadays and explaining to her that one of the main reasons why veganism is popular now is because of a social movement started by a few Punk Rock bands in an attempt to alter social norms and create a new ideology!

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

By that logic you can also say that even in the 70s only a hand full of bands were truly punk and the rest just "inspired by punk". Punk inspired a lot of bands in the 80s and early 90s that had the punk 'attitude' which is arguably what punk is about, you can say they aren't really punk, but they were definitely punk-related. Now punk is, unfortunately, completely dead.

I would say that there were only a handful of punk bands (that anyone ever heard of). You're right though, many bands stayed closed to the punk ethos even later on. (I can compare this to say, Rock n' Roll which was a specific phenomenon in the 50's to early 60's. Many bands, most even, were influenced by this music, but they were not rock n' roll bands per se. Rock n' roll, like punk, to me, is about a specific period as well as a certain sound and characteristic).

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I would say that there were only a handful of punk bands (that anyone ever heard of). You're right though, many bands stayed closed to the punk ethos even later on. (I can compare this to say, Rock n' Roll which was a specific phenomenon in the 50's to early 60's. Many bands, most even, were influenced by this music, but they were not rock n' roll bands per se. Rock n' roll, like punk, to me, is about a specific period as well as a certain sound and characteristic).

True, but I don't think any music genre has ever influenced, not just music, but societies as whole as much as Punk and as quickly as Punk.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

True, but I don't think any music genre has ever influenced, not just music, but societies as whole as much as Punk and as quickly as Punk.

I don't know. I wasn't alive so it's impossible for me to gauge. I think it probably depends on the country and how the music lined up with events that were happening at that time.. I know rock directly helped end Jim Crow for example which I think was a massive, massive change. Also disco...um...well...it...disco...um...yeah.

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukPWLCr7sBA

[CHOULO19 24,332]

You missed my question

@Fulham Broadway, I'm not entire sure how old you are, but can you remember when those songs were made? I it would have been incredibly awesome to be a teenager witnessing the rise of punk and everything it meant and stood for!

[BlueDude 49]

Thought I'd dump some of the best Estonian punk songs.

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

You missed my question

Sorry Choulo - yes didnt see the question ! Yes being around then and seeing all the old music swept aside you really thought things were changing

Saw the Clash 3 times, Skids 4 times, Stiff Little Fingers, Sex pistols, Undertones, The Jam, Ian Dury and the Block heads, UK subs, Exploited, Siouxie and the Banshees, Crass, Sham 69, Lurkers, Chelsea, The Damned, and a lot more besides !

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Sorry Choulo - yes didnt see the question ! Yes being around then and seeing all the old music swept aside you really thought things were changing

Saw the Clash 3 times, Skids 4 times, Stiff Little Fingers, Sex pistols, Undertones, The Jam, Ian Dury and the Block heads, UK subs, Exploited, Siouxie and the Banshees, Crass, Sham 69, Lurkers, Chelsea, The Damned, and a lot more besides !

Wow! You actually saw the Sex Pistols live?!

Do you think Punk promised more than it delivered in terms of change?

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

Wow! You actually saw the Sex Pistols live?!

Do you think Punk promised more than it delivered in terms of change?

Pistols later 1996, not the original tour !

I think like all do- it -yourself autonomous counter cultures , they get hijacked and corporatised, so that capitalism can make money out of it. Be it free festivals, rave culture or punk -the authorities cant stand people getting together and organising something on their own away from the mainstream that isnt controlled. The next thing you have managers, promoters, and people taking away the spirit of the thing just to make money out of it. Thats what happened to punk.

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

@Choulo -how did you get into punk ? Youre in Lebanon right ?

[CHOULO19 24,332]

@Choulo -how did you get into punk ? Youre in Lebanon right ?

Wow, this reply is literally more than a month old! Sorry mate, I just saw your post.

Yes, I'm (unfortunately) Lebanese. I got into Punk just like I got into all the western music I like: by learning about it through the internet mostly. I imagine that is nothing like actually experiencing first hand..

The reason I came into the thread was to ask: Do you think that Punk has to be associated with a certain political view? Because almost all the Punk bands (at least the ones that I know) that have made political songs have expressed a mostly ant-imperialistic opinion. Most have also attacked blind patriotism and western policies of colonization and neocolonialism:

Would love to hear your say on this FB since (I think) you have a degree in political science.

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

Wow, this reply is literally more than a month old! Sorry mate, I just saw your post.

Yes, I'm (unfortunately) Lebanese. I got into Punk just like I got into all the western music I like: by learning about it through the internet mostly. I imagine that is nothing like actually experiencing first hand..

The reason I came into the thread was to ask: Do you think that Punk has to be associated with a certain political view? Because almost all the Punk bands (at least the ones that I know) that have made political songs have expressed a mostly ant-imperialistic opinion. Most have also attacked blind patriotism and western policies of colonization and neocolonialism:

Would love to hear your say on this FB since (I think) you have a degree in political science.

Yes it was associated witha certain political viewpoint, ranging from a nihilist, anti-religion, anarchistic, with a mainly left of centre stance -although there were later right wing racist bands like Skrewdriver. One of the best books on this is called ' In the Fascist Bathroom' by Greil Marcus which covers the political zeitgeist of the time paralleled with all the bands of the late 70s erupting at that time

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Yes it was associated witha certain political viewpoint, ranging from a nihilist, anti-religion, anarchistic, with a mainly left of centre stance -although there were later right wing racist bands like Skrewdriver. One of the best books on this is called ' In the Fascist Bathroom' by Greil Marcus which covers the political zeitgeist of the time paralleled with all the bands of the late 70s erupting at that time

Thanks. I very much doubt I can find that book here, but I'll definitely see if I can find it online.

[Spike 12,049]