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Lads, I hope you can help me. I'm writing a paper on Punk music and the Punk movement in general which has led me to this website.

Some dude named Cahill is being quoted there all the time but neither do I have a clue who that is nor is his first name ever mentioned. Does anyone know who this guy is?

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last but not least, for me they and sex pistols are the founders of punk:

The Sex Pistols were a boy band that made angry music. The were practically manufactured.

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lol, if there's one band that had it hard to get it a label / got no support, its them. manufactured.. they were all what punk stands for/means.

So that's why Malcolm McLaren took a band call the The Strand fired a few original members started a hunt to find replacements and picked Johnny Rotten and Sid Vicious based on their looks and style so he could sell merchandise from his shop in Chelsea called "Sex"... The band was a tool by McLaren to gain further noteriety and fame as well as further lining his already golden laced pockets.

Steve Jones and Paul Cook were the only two 'original' members. The Sex Pistols and early Punk Rock that the Sex Pistols were famous was fashioned out of a few fashion shops that were clinging onto trends to make money.

Sounds 100% Punk to me.

Not Punk just a bunch of angry boys being taken advantage of by business men.

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Yeh i know that story ;) and one that would only be partially true. And even now you arent saying anything why they shouldnt be considered a true punk band...

"The band was a tool by McLaren to gain further noteriety and fame as well as further lining his already golden laced pockets."

You let it seem they accepted that??

Also what does it matter where they sell merchandise and what not, in every group you have money-hungry managers (same as in football) who dont really care about the group but just want to make as much as possible money. You do need some money to record your songs/make albums, they saw a chance to do it like that so why not? I would imo...

I am also quoting, perhaps from same article you read?

"The Sex Pistols were dead – for now. Johnny Rotten aka John Lydon notoriously hated Malcolm McLaren due to business matters and other reasons, and as a result, the global punk scene, identifying with the voice of the Sex Pistols, rather than their manager, mostly hated Malcolm too. Few however could deny his importance, and Rotten, after winning full rights to the name along with the band back from McLaren, finally cashed in more on his own.

On the day that Malcolm McLaren died, the voice that he brought to terrorize the world with “Anarchy in the U.K,”Johnny Rotten, finally buried the hatchet. Johnny Rotten stated,“Malcolm McLaren RIP. For me Malc was always entertaining, and I hope you remember that. Above all else he was an entertainer and I will miss him, and so should you."

Anyways all that aside , the lyrics they wrote, the passion they had, the uncaring about public opinion while they performed (at first you can be sure they were boo'd a lot, but that happens always when your "unusual and new, uncomprehendable for some people", their determenation not to become mainstream is what made punk what it is today.

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Yeh i know that story ;) and one that would only be partially true. And even now you arent saying anything why they shouldnt be considered a true punk band...

"The band was a tool by McLaren to gain further noteriety and fame as well as further lining his already golden laced pockets."

You let it seem they accepted that??

Also what does it matter where they sell merchandise and what not, in every group you have money-hungry managers (same as in football) who dont really care about the group but just want to make as much as possible money. You do need some money to record your songs/make albums, they saw a chance to do it like that so why not? I would imo...

I am also quoting, perhaps from same article you read?

"The Sex Pistols were dead – for now. Johnny Rotten aka John Lydon notoriously hated Malcolm McLaren due to business matters and other reasons, and as a result, the global punk scene, identifying with the voice of the Sex Pistols, rather than their manager, mostly hated Malcolm too. Few however could deny his importance, and Rotten, after winning full rights to the name along with the band back from McLaren, finally cashed in more on his own.

On the day that Malcolm McLaren died, the voice that he brought to terrorize the world with “Anarchy in the U.K,”Johnny Rotten, finally buried the hatchet. Johnny Rotten stated,“Malcolm McLaren RIP. For me Malc was always entertaining, and I hope you remember that. Above all else he was an entertainer and I will miss him, and so should you."

Anyways all that aside , the lyrics they wrote, the passion they had, the uncaring about public opinion while they performed (at first you can be sure they were boo'd a lot, but that happens always when your "unusual and new, uncomprehendable for some people", their determenation not to become mainstream is what made punk what it is today.

The member may have been Punk but the band certainly wasn't.

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