Physical & Mental health

[Rmpr 8,977]

I searched for the same as you did: I don't think this guy had bad resources or didnt train hard enough or had a bad diet, do you?

He is doing the wrong movement. Ask the same dude to put his arms down and force his abdomen...

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@Vincent:

Mate, that guy has massive abs. they are huge. they just arent defined. thats exactly what i was talking about when i was going on about tennis balls and loafs of bread - that guy just has a massive 1 pac!

and saying even if you dont work abs but you train all the time and your abs are used to stabalise you, fair point, they do, but they dont get massive that way. thats like saying theres no need to work your triceps if you are benching all day.... yes your triceps are used when you bench, but they arent used at full capacity. same with abs.

Also, i think Rmpr is right, if he were to try to show of his abs, i think we'd see some definition there. that guy has some big abs though, defined or not.

[SinineUltra 1,170]

Im not trying to be a dick, but i still don't buy it. theres no gene in your body that is either "show abs" or "dont show abs" that gene just doesnt exsist.

With the body builder thing, i think there have been a good handful of body builders who are massive, low body fat and have 'no abs', but these werent 'genetic disorders' these were just poor routines that lead to it. they'd have a really flat stomach (with some slight definition of abs) but there would be no massive bulges. simply because they didnt give as much care to their abs workout, some even say they didnt even bother doing abdominal workouts. another thing worth a mention is the type of muscle development. you see guys walking around who a toned to hell, have like a large tennis ball bump for a bicep, whereas some guys just have a chunky bicep like a loaf of bread, THATS down to genes a fair bit as well as the type of trainging (and the crazy drugs some of the bigger guys take), and you can get abdominals like that, makes it look like a ginat 1 pac. but they are still abs.

you've probably seen pictures that ive seen but just jumped to a conclusion too fast. ill try find the guy I can remember....

EDIT: This wasnt the guy i was talking about but its similar to him:

with this guy its hard to say. if you are defining abs as a clear bulging 6/8 pack, then he lacks it. but if you define abs as just the muscle of the torso, then yeah, you can see it (he has that famous V that is all the rage at the moment in this thread!) you can also see some of his obliques and serratus anterior. i dont even know who this guy is or anything on him, but i wouldnt be suprised if his workouts consisted mainly of back and arms.... his pecs and shoulders seem to be a bit behind the development you can see in his arms and lats... maybe thats what he was aiming for, just a flat stomach, i dont know.

all the related pictures are disgusting! i honeslty do not see the appeal of being that big.... some body builders have hte tiniest waists and just so much muscle on them. crazy. I typed in "body builders with no abs" in to google, there are a few pictures of these massive guys with odd looking abs. they all have visible abs but they all look very different - and thats down to genes! (mostly).

I have read nothing to back that up, that is literally me looking at pictures of half naked massive men and taking an educated guess at why. i still dont think a gene exsists to prevent you from developing your abdominals, I agree that genes influence how they may look (massively), but everyone can get some...

If you found an article or some kind of research to prove it i would love to see it because i am not aware of it.

EDIT 2: there are some fucking gross pictures of body builders out there! i really do not see the appeal. and im sure some of those are photoshopped. I did see a good one of a guy who is pretty muscular, but has hte biggest belly ever. thats another thing, some people may have 3-6% body fat, but all their fat can be around their abs.... people tend to either distribute their fat evenly over hte body, distribute it around their organs, distribute it around their waists, or smash it on the thighs. thats all down to genes. i have a fair bit of fat on my torso, i can grab a decent handful, yet i cant even pinch it on my legs and theres not much on my upper body.

It's called side-effect of steroids. The truth is, if you want abs, you can get them if you work hard enough with diet etc - comes down to bodytype and preferences. But i definitely know where Vincent is coming from, genes do influence the way you develop, be it mentally, physically.

[MetsajCFC 1,255]

Big belly is caused by steroid abuse, just a side-effect

I think what Vincent was trying to say is that some people have harder time developing the fat-muscle ratio needed for abs to show. For example my legs and abs are stronger and I've never had to work that much on them, they've always been toned, muscular but I work very hard to chest, shoulders and arms to even it up, so it'd look in porportion. We're all genetically different, that's the way it is. As far as anwsering if everyone can get toned abs - yes, ofcourse. All it takes is more work, more nutritional awareness and dedication (not 2-3 month dedication but years and years of work)

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thats what I said...

On the topic of body building. what would everybody say they aim to look like when they hit the gym?

I personally prefer to worry about performance. I like to look toned, but it doesnt bother me if my muscles are smaller than someone elses. I don't even play sport properly. I play every sunday in a casual 5 a side and i also play in a small competitative 6 a side league on a thursday night. I got to hte gym mainly to improve my general health, im not particularly muscular, but im toned. i do a lot of cardio, specifically high intensity training.

I only weigh in at about 63kg at the moment (im about 5ft 7) and ive quite a slender frame (...one of those guys with the slim nobbly wrists...) and like i said, i am fairly toned all over but im thinking of spending 5 or so weeks on some strength training to get me up to about 68kgs. But i think ill start that in 2 weeks time (im currently participating in research that involves aerobic stuff, so dont want to do too much strength stuff at the moment).

so back to my question: how big does everyone want to be? I know there are some guys in here trying to lose some fat, some guys trying to build strength, some guys trying to improve performance but in your eyes, what is the perfect shape to you?

[SinineUltra 1,170]

Aiming for along these lines, will take me a year or two. Thing is, training is part of lifestyle so I intend to do this aslong as I can without putting more important aspects of life aside so in a sense I hope the results come gradually but slow so I get to push myself further without becoming a monster. Because already now I'm getting a lot of attention for my physique if I wear a t-shirt. I generally don't like being center of attention but this is a positive one and boosts confidence a lot. Though you have to channel that right so you don't get cocky etc because in the end of the day being humble and a friendly person will get you further than having a body of a god.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/77227873@N03/7164159638/lightbox/

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yeah thats what ive done. i first joing the gym when iwas 17 or 18. and for about 6 months i did try hard. then itj ust became part of my life, and i have seen gradual increases. and every now and then i go for targets. like my last target of the last 3 months was cardio and thats pretty good now - in a couple of weeks time im going to aim to gain a few kilos in muscle.

I have a bit of a challenge coming up in the near future, im going to be moving to a new city. this means i need to find a new gym. I will no longer have my usual crowd of friends that i play football with twice a week, and i will be coming out of university and going in to work i hope so im going to have a new scedule. I hope to be able to settle in really quick and get in to an exercise routine, else im gonna become a chubby little funster. I plan to join a gym, find out if they have any amateur leagues in things like squash/badminton/tennis i can join, quickly make some friends and organise some weekly football!

Im off to the gym now for a quick leg workout. PUMPED!

[SinineUltra 1,170]

yeah thats what ive done. i first joing the gym when iwas 17 or 18. and for about 6 months i did try hard. then itj ust became part of my life, and i have seen gradual increases. and every now and then i go for targets. like my last target of the last 3 months was cardio and thats pretty good now - in a couple of weeks time im going to aim to gain a few kilos in muscle.

I have a bit of a challenge coming up in the near future, im going to be moving to a new city. this means i need to find a new gym. I will no longer have my usual crowd of friends that i play football with twice a week, and i will be coming out of university and going in to work i hope so im going to have a new scedule. I hope to be able to settle in really quick and get in to an exercise routine, else im gonna become a chubby little funster. I plan to join a gym, find out if they have any amateur leagues in things like squash/badminton/tennis i can join, quickly make some friends and organise some weekly football!

Im off to the gym now for a quick leg workout. PUMPED!

Best of luck, don't injure yourself!

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You know its a good leg work out when stairs become a challenge that you could possibly not complete.

[Korea 734]

LOL guys...

Everyone can build visible abs...

However, genes come into play when in reference to an 8 vs 6 pack..... Not everyone can have a full 8 pack, that genetic... But the idea of visible abs is doable for everyone!

[Vincent 402]

@Vincent:

Mate, that guy has massive abs. they are huge. they just arent defined. thats exactly what i was talking about when i was going on about tennis balls and loafs of bread - that guy just has a massive 1 pac!

and saying even if you dont work abs but you train all the time and your abs are used to stabalise you, fair point, they do, but they dont get massive that way. thats like saying theres no need to work your triceps if you are benching all day.... yes your triceps are used when you bench, but they arent used at full capacity. same with abs.

In bodybuilding poses they show of all muscle in each pose, so if they do a front double bicep pose like i posted then they try to show off their bicep, tricep, shoulder, legs - everything also abs. When i talk about abs i think about an 6 pack, if you say that the guy i posted has visible abs then we probably have different designation about abs. So there are other people showing off abs in the exact same pose.

Plus your abs also dont get massive by doing sit ups or crunches. Just like your chest won't keep growing by pushing an empty bar for chest. They will just get more definition.

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LOL guys...

Everyone can build visible abs...

However, genes come into play when in reference to an 8 vs 6 pack..... Not everyone can have a full 8 pack, that genetic... But the idea of visible abs is doable for everyone!

thats not true. unless its a rare genetic condition... everybody has hte same amount of muscles and bones.

@vincent you can do a sit up or a crunch with added resistance, cable crunches, or hold on to a weight = added resistance.

[Vincent 402]

@vincent you can do a sit up or a crunch with added resistance, cable crunches, or hold on to a weight = added resistance.

That is true, but i think that you will build more muscles by deadlifting 300kg or squatting 300kg then cable crunches for extra resistance.

And please reply on the other text i've posted.

[Korea 734]

thats not true. unless its a rare genetic condition... everybody has hte same amount of muscles and bones.

@vincent you can do a sit up or a crunch with added resistance, cable crunches, or hold on to a weight = added resistance.

nah bro... 8pack is genetic... If you look at body building forums, most people would agree... (Also, when I was in peak shape, I neve came close to the 8, but got 6)...

However, as I said before, having visible abs is not though.....

When I did ab workouts, I did mostly planks..... Now, i downgraded to just situps of variations.. (Peak plank was 5mins).

Im going to get back to working out hardcore again since the holiday season is over and the weather is picking up...

(I love working out, cept jogging)!

[Igi26 346]

Tommorrow is my first day when I'm training twice per day. It's time for speed training. 8x5 sprints, 2 min break between sprints and 5 min between sets. It will be hard but I'm prepared to do it.

[Rmpr 8,977]

Alright lads, back from my very first training session!

When I got there I was really well introduced. They took me to a room where they did a bunch of basic questions and tests: posture, weight, height, body fat, heart test in a bike, strech and flexibility, etc. I will get all of them tomorrow...

They asked what my goal was and I told them what I have already told you guys. Since I told them I will probably go 4-5 times a week, they will build a battery of 4 different training sessions to be repeated each week. Every new month an advisor will have a look at my training so I can tell him/her how I am doing, what I am finding and where I am improving more or less. Also, there is a "computer" where users change the weights they are lifting in each machine. So you just enter your user number and the machine print your training for that specific day (so you dont have to rememeber or lose track of what training you must do in that day).

Today I only did the test and 40min of cardio. I will begin with long repeats of moderate difficulty to get used to the thing, so 4 of 12 or something like that. He said it is better and safer than going crazy from the start...

My posture is a big problem (he said), so I will have to work on that and he will put me on a specific class they have on mondays that they do exercises that vastly improve it on the long run. My strength will come naturally (according to him), since I am still young and finishing adding muscles to my body. He told me I am in the right time to work on my body, because changes still happen very fast and I am not growing a lot anymore to hurt my development with intense training.

I really liked the place, there are so many hot girls and that makes everything easier, lol. I want to look perfect by summer time (november), so I guess I have enough time. Now, all I got to do is have focus and determination.

To the hot girls I will se everyday from now on! I am single ladies...

[SinineUltra 1,170]

Alright lads, back from my very first training session!

When I got there I was really well introduced. They took me to a room where they did a bunch of basic questions and tests: posture, weight, height, body fat, heart test in a bike, strech and flexibility, etc. I will get all of them tomorrow...

They asked what my goal was and I told them what I have already told you guys. Since I told them I will probably go 4-5 times a week, they will build a battery of 4 different training sessions to be repeated each week. Every new month an advisor will have a look at my training so I can tell him/her how I am doing, what I am finding and where I am improving more or less. Also, there is a "computer" where users change the weights they are lifting in each machine. So you just enter your user number and the machine print your training for that specific day (so you dont have to rememeber or lose track of what training you must do in that day).

Today I only did the test and 40min of cardio. I will begin with long repeats of moderate difficulty to get used to the thing, so 4 of 12 or something like that. He said it is better and safer than going crazy from the start...

My posture is a big problem (he said), so I will have to work on that and he will put me on a specific class they have on mondays that they do exercises that vastly improve it on the long run. My strength will come naturally (according to him), since I am still young and finishing adding muscles to my body. He told me I am in the right time to work on my body, because changes still happen very fast and I am not growing a lot anymore to hurt my development with intense training.

I really liked the place, there are so many hot girls and that makes everything easier, lol. I want to look perfect by summer time (november), so I guess I have enough time. Now, all I got to do is have focus and determination.

To the hot girls I will se everyday from now on! I am single ladies...

Woah, very happy for you. Though,mate, this all seems so high tech I have to ask you if you didn't walk into NASA Brazil branch by accident? Also very professional advice by them and realistic goals by your side, keep it up and it will pay off - promise you.

[Rmpr 8,977]

Woah, very happy for you. Though,mate, this all seems so high tech I have to ask you if you didn't walk into NASA Brazil branch by accident? Also very professional advice by them and realistic goals by your side, keep it up and it will pay off - promise you.

Thanks!

No, we are a shit country, Nasa would never come here!

I told you it was world class and had more than one might need, but I am only doing because I get 50% off for being a University student and I also got an extra 7% off because I did a 12 month plan (instead of the regular 6 month). I am paying the equivalent of 46 euros/month (normal price is around 90). This is the place, Bodytech: