The Benitez Thread

[Rmpr 8,977]

I've changed my mind on Benitez. I called him a cunt last week, which was way wide of the mark.

He is, in fact, a complete and utter cunt.

Anything specific or just got into reality?

[Changingman_2000 876]

Anything specific or just got into reality?

Oh No, nothing specific. In general, broad terms, the man is a complete and utter cunt.

[Sheva. 5,373]

LOL

Rafa is a good coach, but nothing compared to Mourinho or other very top manager. Add to that the fact he is hated (for the right reasons) and Jose is worshiped, it makes a very uneven fight!

Nothing compared to Mourinho? the same person who's solely responsible for Mourinho not winning the CL while he was here? despite Jose having the far better team.

Let me begin by saying, firstly, Mourinho took a Porto team to Champions League glory, then came to Chelsea and got us to be the best team in the league for 2 years and if it weren't for the Luis Garcia ghost goal or the 2007 shootout loss, we would have been within touching distance of a CL back then.

he went to Inter, got the players performing. Eto'o for Ibra + 56mil. what a masterstroke. Sneijder - world beater then. Got Cambiasso, Lucio etc dig deep and pull off Another Champions League win

Just because he's stuck with a Madrid team full of players who are not playing for the team, doesn't mean that he suddenly turned into a bad manager.

Compare him to Rafa and you've got a total mismatch. Plus, Rafa - never accepted by fans. Plus, Jose would get total control of transfers.Plus Rafa would just be a puppet strung by Gourlay and Emenalo. Plus, Mourinho will have the burning desire to win the CL at Chelsea. that'll keep him going.

The Real Madrid part - they performed last season so why aren't they now? there's a lot of problems in the dressing room, and Mourinho only adds to it with his blaming and benching of players.

I wouldn't say he's a bad coach or anything like that, but he doesn't look so special at Madrid.

[Rmpr 8,977]

Nothing compared to Mourinho? the same person who's solely responsible for Mourinho not winning the CL while he was here? despite Jose having the far better team.

Yes, nothing compared to Mourinho!

Just because he beat us in the semifinal (the other doesnt count as it was robbed), does not make him a better coach. Again, Rafa is a good manager, but not top class.

[Sheva. 5,373]

Yes, nothing compared to Mourinho!

Just because he beat us in the semifinal (the other doesnt count as it was robbed), does not make him a better coach. Again, Rafa is a good manager, but not top class.

What do you need to do to prove you're a better coach than someone, other than beating them in the biggest games?

A better team will always prevail over the course of a season.

[Strike 7,494]

Nothing compared to Mourinho? the same person who's solely responsible for Mourinho not winning the CL while he was here? despite Jose having the far better team.

The Real Madrid part - they performed last season so why aren't they now? there's a lot of problems in the dressing room, and Mourinho only adds to it with his blaming and benching of players.

I wouldn't say he's a bad coach or anything like that, but he doesn't look so special at Madrid

Benitez took over Mourinho's Inter team. we all know how that went

not saying benitez is bad coach but he can't be compared to mourinho. different level altogether. mourinho's tactics, mindgames, knowledge of personnel is way ahead of benitez. benitez also has a negative approach which while useful in the CL, is hardly good for us in the league. his 2nd game in charge, he played Bertrand in left midfield replacing Juan Mata to gain that extra bit of solidity. at what cost? 3 shots the whole game.

Mourinho also has the image of being a defensive coach but that is mainly about Protecting leads. mourinho's teams would turn the screws until they take the lead and then remain solid and tight

[Sheva. 5,373]

Benitez took over Mourinho's Inter team. we all know how that went

not saying benitez is bad coach but he can't be compared to mourinho. different level altogether. mourinho's tactics, mindgames, knowledge of personnel is way ahead of benitez. benitez also has a negative approach which while useful in the CL, is hardly good for us in the league. his 2nd game in charge, he played Bertrand in left midfield replacing Juan Mata to gain that extra bit of solidity. at what cost? 3 shots the whole game.

Mourinho also has the image of being a defensive coach but that is mainly about Protecting leads. mourinho's teams would turn the screws until they take the lead and then remain solid and tight

In the game against Fulham, Benitez used Bertrand out wide but hasn't done it again since, why? because he saw for himself it didn't work.

Mourinho is just as 'negative' as Rafa. It's funny he was the one that coined the whole "Parking the bus" phrase since he has used that same method a lot over the past few years at Madrid and Inter.

And i don't see how mind games can be used as a way to judge who's a better coach

[didierforever 7,349]

The" Special One" is hanging on by the skin of his teeth at Reañ Madrid - jeered by 80% of the crowd, hated by many for the way he has stunk out the name of Real Madrid and what he has done to the clihg and losing badly to opponents. He has one one La Liga, Rafa won two when he was much younger with a much poorer team. Why would you want one and not the other?

fine lets compare their careers then.

benitez

- 1995-96 : Real Valladoid - sacked after 23 games (2 wins, club last in la liga)

- 1996-97 : Osasuna - sacked after 8 games (1 win)

- 1997 : Extremadura - helped in their promotion from "segunda division" and the next year got relegated.

- 2000 : CD Tenerife - helped in their promotion by coming 3rd.

- 2001 : Valencia - He inherited from Cuper a team brimming with potential – with Santiago Cañizares, Roberto Ayala, Rubén Baraja, David Albelda, Vicente and Pablo Aimar providing the backbone to a formidable side that had reached back-to-back UEFA Champions League finals in 2000 and 2001, losing only on penalties in 2001 to Bayern Munich. 2 league titles in 3 years. (no way a poor team by the way)

-2004 : Liverpool - one champions league from 2004-10.

-2010 : Inter Milan - sacked within 6 months of appointment.

Jose Mourinho

2001 : União de Leiria, whom he took to their highest-ever league finish of fifth place after joining the club with seven games left to be played. During his second season at União de Leiria, the team was on a run contesting places as high as third and fourth by January. Mourinho's successes at Leiria did not go unrecognised and he caught the attention of larger Portuguese clubs

2002 : FC Porto (january) : Mourinho guided the team to third place that year after a strong 15-game run (W–D–L: 11–2–2) and gave the promise of "making Porto champions next year."

In 2003, Mourinho won his first Primeira Liga with a 27–5–2 record, 11 points clear of Benfica. The total of 86 points out of the possible maximum of 102 was a Portuguese record since the rule of three points per win was introduced. Mourinho also won the Portuguese Cup (against former club Leiria) and the UEFA Cup final against Celtic, both in May 2003.

In 2004, the team was dominant in the Primeira Liga and they finished the season with a perfect home record; they secured the title five weeks before the end of the season. Porto lost the Portuguese Cup final to Benfica in May 2004, but two weeks later, Mourinho won a greater prize: the UEFA Champions League, with a 3–0 win over AS Monaco inGermany. The club had eliminated Manchester United, Olympique Lyonnais, and Deportivo La Coruña and their sole defeat of the competition came against Real Madrid in the group round.

2004 - Chelsea : EPL and league CUP.

In 2005 - EPL

In 2006 - League Cup and FA cup.

2008 : Inter Milan - serie A

2009-10 - TREBLE

2010- MADRID - 2010-11 - copa del ray

2011-12 - la liga.

and u still want to know why we want one and not the other. do u even believe what u are saying urself or r u just arguing for the sake of it. Mourinho is a LEGANDARY coach who has acheived success in every club he has coached and damn big successes they have been.

as for your madrid argument i have already given u a post which i think u missed or just refused to acknowledge so please stop trolling and putting useless comments.

[Jase 43,479]

Credit where it's due but it is absolutely cringeworthy that the media and Benitez's worshippers think that we should change our opinion and rid of the hatred on him just because of one 8-0 win. What next if we suddenly lose the next 2-3 games?! Worth pointing out that the 5 games we have won under Benitez have all come against poor Premier League teams or Championship level teams - Nordsjaelland, Sunderland, Monterrey, Leeds and Aston Villa. We have failed to win in the other games when coming up against Premier League mid-table sides or teams with better quality and/or more streetwise in their approach - Man City, Fulham, West Ham and Corinthians. Not taking anything away from those 5 wins but it's one thing beating the lower level teams and it's another beating the quality ones. Benitez still got a lot to prove before he can even possibly convince us at the slightest!

[Rmpr 8,977]

What do you need to do to prove you're a better coach than someone, other than beating them in the biggest games?

A better team will always prevail over the course of a season.

Benitez did an excellent job against Chelsea in all 3 knock-out stages. He won 2 of them (1 was robbed and the other was on penalties).

Also, just look at their carrers and how successfull each has been (I do not mean trophies).

You are way out of line saying Rafa is a better coach than Mourinho. It is like saying RDM is better than Pep because he won against Barcelona...

[Rmpr 8,977]

Credit where it's due but it is absolutely cringeworthy that the media and Benitez's worshippers think that we should change our opinion and rid of the hatred on him just because of one 8-0 win. What next if we suddenly lose the next 2-3 games?! Worth pointing out that the 5 games we have won under Benitez have all come against poor Premier League teams or Championship level teams - Nordsjaelland, Sunderland, Monterrey, Leeds and Aston Villa. We have failed to win in the otehr games when coming up against Premier League mid-table sides or teams with better quality and/or more streetwise in their approach - Man City, Fulham, West Ham and Corinthians. Not taking anything away from those 5 wins but it's one thing beating the lower level teams and it's another beating the quality ones. Benitez still got a lot to prove before he can even possibly convince us at the slightest!

THANK YOU!

I have wasted 10+ posts trying to say that!

[Sheva. 5,373]

Credit where it's due but it is absolutely cringeworthy that the media and Benitez's worshippers think that we should change our opinion and rid of the hatred on him just because of one 8-0 win. What next if we suddenly lose the next 2-3 games?! Worth pointing out that the 5 games we have won under Benitez have all come against poor Premier League teams or Championship level teams - Nordsjaelland, Sunderland, Monterrey, Leeds and Aston Villa. We have failed to win in the otehr games when coming up against Premier League mid-table sides or teams with better quality and/or more streetwise in their approach - Man City, Fulham, West Ham and Corinthians. Not taking anything away from those 5 wins but it's one thing beating the lower level teams and it's another beating the quality ones. Benitez still got a lot to prove before he can even possibly convince us at the slightest!

He has only faced 1 big team, and that was Man city at home, mere days after his appointment, and we got a point.

What i know is, he took over a team out of form and lacking confidence, but slowly and surely that confidence is returning, and that can only happen by winning games, even against lesser opposition.

Oh and "Benitez worshippers" really?

[Sheva. 5,373]

You are way out of line saying Rafa is a better coach than Mourinho. It is like saying RDM is better than Pep because he won against Barcelona...

Point out where i said that. I only disagreed with the absurd claim the two "cannot be compared", otherwise i wouldn't even have posted anything.

[Rmpr 8,977]

Point out where i said that. I only disagreed with the absurd claim the two "cannot be compared", otherwise i wouldn't even have posted anything.

"What do you need to do to prove you're a better coach than someone, other than beating them in the biggest games?"

Tell me what that means...

[Jase 43,479]

He has only faced 1 big team, and that was Man city at home, mere days after his appointment, and we got a point.

What i know is, he took over a team out of form and lacking confidence, but slowly and surely that confidence is returning, and that can only happen by winning games, even against lesser opposition.

Draw against Man City is excusable(only had it in there for formality sake. ) but what about the games against Fulham, West Ham and Corinthians? He didn't even look to change things around early when the warning signs were already there in those games especially against the latter two opponents!

Oh and "Benitez worshippers" really?

Liverpool fans and the media that likes to get on us using whatever excuses available and this is one.

[Sheva. 5,373]

"What do you need to do to prove you're a better coach than someone, other than beating them in the biggest games?"

Tell me what that means...

I did not explicitly say "Benitez is better than Mourinho" it was a counter point to yours that they could not be compared.

Well if you have that much success (not just 1 fluke year) against a manger "you cannot be compared with" then obviously something is wrong, somewhere.

[didierforever 7,349]

He has only faced 1 big team, and that was Man city at home, mere days after his appointment, and we got a point.

What i know is, he took over a team out of form and lacking confidence, but slowly and surely that confidence is returning, and that can only happen by winning games, even against lesser opposition.

Oh and "Benitez worshippers" really?

what confidence are u talking about? the confidence that has lasted a mere 135 minutes right now? has a 8-0 and a 5-1 win over villa and leeds already removed the memories of the 1-0 loss in the cwc final mostly because of his tactical blunders...

[Sheva. 5,373]

Draw against Man City is excusable(only had it in there for formality sake. ) but what about the games against Fulham, West Ham and Corinthians? He didn't even look to change things around early when the warning signs were already there in those games especially against the latter two opponents!

Liverpool fans and the media that likes to get on us using whatever excuses available and this is one.

In the West ham game the same team he had out, dominated for 45 minutes, then all of a sudden we couldn't hold on to the ball. Remember something similar happened against Spurs under RDM, he didn't change anything either but the players stepped up and won the game. But this time around, like i said they were lacking confidence and just succumbed to the pressure.

Fulham, boring team, he's not the only Chelsea manager to get a stupid draw against them, meh.

Corinthians i will agree he could have changed something here, like Moses for Oscar.

[Rmpr 8,977]

I did not explicitly say "Benitez is better than Mourinho" it was a counter point to yours that they could not be compared.

Well if you have that much success (not just 1 fluke year) against a manger "you cannot be compared with" then obviously something is wrong, somewhere.

No, it`s not.

Benitez was the better manager when facing us at Uefa Champions League, I am not arguing that. What I am saying is that overall (qualities and weakness), Mourinho is a much better manager than Benitez and that is not even up for debate. Again, that does not mean Rafa cant do a great job at Chelsea.

I know it is a team sport, we lose together and we win together. Nevertheless, you cant lose control of a game the way he did at West Ham and CWC if you are to be placed amongst the best.

The explosion (not talking about you) of love Benitez has been granted because we destroyed some shit teams is nonsense. His mistakes at Fulham, West Ham and CWC are just as outstanding as his wins.

[Sheva. 5,373]

what confidence are u talking about? the confidence that has lasted a mere 135 minutes right now? has a 8-0 and a 5-1 win over villa and leeds already removed the memories of the 1-0 loss in the cwc final mostly because of his tactical blunders...

Confidence that only comes from winning games. I don't understand what you mean by lasted? those have been our last 2 games and we've played well and won with a huge score-lines.

That can only improve the mood and confidence in the dressing room.