the wes 7,212 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 15 minutes ago, mccg said: Celtic ‘closing in’ on Chelsea youngster set for loan move after Newcastle match https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2018/1/27/16939482/celtic-closing-in-on-chelsea-youngster-set-for-loan-move-after-newcastle-match mmm pissed if this goes thru on many levels! worse place to sent him he's to good to be playing in that poor league fs Antonio8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccg 1,528 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 8 hours ago, the wes said: worse place to sent him he's to good to be playing in that poor league fs Yeah with Willians hammy gone and Pedro being Pedro , we nearly need him to stay and step up to the plate and grab the chance?! Wait until the summer now ffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif 6,006 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Celtic's a good fit. People argue that the SPL is weaker than the Championship, but Celtic are twice the team of any Championship one. Better coaches at the club, more demanding mentality, more consistently in cup finals, and they always have some level of European action. It could be argued that it's bad to have low-level opposition, but I think it's a good thing for Charly to get used to winning, and being proactive instead of reactive. Charly isn't even a player who needs to be playing against the top players of the world to develop: he just needs games full-stop: and the SPL should surely make a man out of him. Even Sinclair's become tough. It's almost mad to think that within a space of just a few years, 2 players who entered their ripe stage with Celtic (Van Djik + Dembele) will gross around 100m+. 2 players, from Celtic's tutelage, 100m. 2018. Finally, from Charly's POV, building a relationship with Celtic is only a good thing considering that their players eventually transfer to top clubs elsewhere these days. If we jerk him around, or don't want him (...), it'd be wise for him if he could return for a 2nd-stint with Celtic right away to continue building his reputation. OneMoSalah, jernej93 and Shakez 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 3 hours ago, Leif said: Celtic's a good fit. People argue that the SPL is weaker than the Championship, but Celtic are twice the team of any Championship one. Better coaches at the club, more demanding mentality, more consistently in cup finals, and they always have some level of European action. It could be argued that it's bad to have low-level opposition, but I think it's a good thing for Charly to get used to winning, and being proactive instead of reactive. Charly isn't even a player who needs to be playing against the top players of the world to develop: he just needs games full-stop: and the SPL should surely make a man out of him. Even Sinclair's become tough. It's almost mad to think that within a space of just a few years, 2 players who entered their ripe stage with Celtic (Van Djik + Dembele) will gross around 100m+. 2 players, from Celtic's tutelage, 100m. 2018. Finally, from Charly's POV, building a relationship with Celtic is only a good thing considering that their players eventually transfer to top clubs elsewhere these days. If we jerk him around, or don't want him (...), it'd be wise for him if he could return for a 2nd-stint with Celtic right away to continue building his reputation. 100% agree pal. Celtic has been an excellent platform for guys and in the past the likes of van Dijk, Wanyama, Forster have gone from Celtic to the PL and now are all pretty good established players. VVD still think nowhere near £75m but that is what it is. Moussa Dembele will move eventually and Patrick Roberts is bound to make a name for himself in the PL too (Man City player but can't see him getting a huge chance there) although hes been injured a lot this season. Charly just needs games, hes got ability, he just needs a run of games and to build himself up to being used to playing 30-40 games a season because physically he isn't much, the intensity and physicality in the SPL will give him a good understanding of how football can be against teams where you have 60-70% of the ball. Like you said as well he will develop a winning mentality too at Celtic, they are clear favourites for everything but with the 6-10 games in Europe they get each season too its a decent opportunity for him to get used to playing against some bigger teams as well. I think as long as Rodgers is at Celtic, we should look at some of these younger kids coming through and try to make some sort of arrangement, not even only with Celtic, Steve Clarke is at Killie, we seen Hudson-Odoi come on and look good in a short space of time today, imagine if he had the chance to play 30-40 games a season in Scotland? He'd be a good player for somebody there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakez 755 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Yeah to be fair, a player like Musonda won't develop playing in a premier league team that chases the ball all game long and fights relegation. Rodgers is a proven top coach, who won't play him out of position (on the wings). And intends to use him in central midfield/n10 role. A couple of apps in europe are an added bonus too. Leif 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 34 minutes ago, Shakez said: Yeah to be fair, a player like Musonda won't develop playing in a premier league team that chases the ball all game long and fights relegation. Rodgers is a proven top coach, who won't play him out of position (on the wings). And intends to use him in central midfield/n10 role. A couple of apps in europe are an added bonus too. I think he'll be used more as a 10 or wide man yeah. Can't see him anywhere else at Celtic. Unless he plays as an 8 in a 3 man MF but Celtic have got plenty of CM options so maybe not as likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 4 hours ago, Leif said: 2 players who entered their ripe stage with Celtic (Van Djik + Dembele) will gross around 100m+. 2 players, from Celtic's tutelage, 100m. 2018 VVD should’ve never went for £75m though, let’s be honest. Good points overall though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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King11Didier 916 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 At least he can increase his price in Celtic, he should be able to score and assists for fun against the likes of Hamilton and Dundee. Apart from that I don't see many benefit from loaning him in Scotland, the boy needs a real challenge in a top league and to play often. The best solution would be to stay here and the manager to show more faith in him, never gonna happen though, we rather buy some flop for 40+mln that doing that. the wes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 1 hour ago, King11Didier said: At least he can increase his price in Celtic, he should be able to score and assists for fun against the likes of Hamilton and Dundee. Apart from that I don't see many benefit from loaning him in Scotland, the boy needs a real challenge in a top league and to play often. The best solution would be to stay here and the manager to show more faith in him, never gonna happen though, we rather buy some flop for 40+mln that doing that. He just needs to play. If no PL club is willing to take him then sending him to Celtic with Brendan Rodgers is as good as it gets. They have games vs Zenit coming up in EL and quite frankly nobody knows what could happen. Also there’s lots of games to play in SPL. Win-Win LAM09 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,056 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 At least he can increase his price in Celtic, he should be able to score and assists for fun against the likes of Hamilton and Dundee. Apart from that I don't see many benefit from loaning him in Scotland, the boy needs a real challenge in a top league and to play often. The best solution would be to stay here and the manager to show more faith in him, never gonna happen though, we rather buy some flop for 40+mln that doing that.Needs game time more than anything at this stage of his game. He was frozen out halfway through his spell at Betis & we know the club still don't insert clause to guarantee game time.Only alarming thing about this supposed deal is the length (18 months). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pizy 18,918 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 I suppose it could do his confidence a load of good not only to play regularly but also to do so against a bunch of Scottish farmers. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccg 1,528 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 1 out 1 in , i guess the board have some special world class talent on its way lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif 6,006 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Regardless of the level: on paper, this looks like it'll produce some of the most beautiful football for a little while. That front line, so young and technically gifted, should be commended. That said, Musonda should end up behind the striker, so we'll see how it turns out. The Skipper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King11Didier 916 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 5 hours ago, mccg said: 1 out 1 in , i guess the board have some special world class talent on its way lol You are late, the club already brought his replacement, the mightly Barclay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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the wes 7,212 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 2 hours ago, Jason said: musonda will destroy the Scottish league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Read earlier he un followed a load of Chelsea players on Instagram, dunno how true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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