Dazzy_Vance 454 Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 12 hours ago, MrExcalibur100 said: Doesn't play regularly for Betis anymore. How can he be ready for Chelsea? Anyway, unfortunately for Gus, he got sacked so maybe Musonda can get some more game time. Another overrated youth product IMO. Will never make it here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 http://metro.co.uk/2016/12/01/charly-musonda-returns-to-chelsea-as-real-betis-consider-ending-midfielders-loan-6295463/ Chelsea consider ending Musonda loan spell to real betis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif 6,006 Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 Just a reminder that we've ruined this guy. Boga was voted MOTM today though vs. Sevilla. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! LDN Blue 7,903 Posted December 3, 2016 Popular Post! Share Posted December 3, 2016 24 minutes ago, Leif said: Just a reminder that we've ruined this guy. Have we? Sounds like a change in management at Betis has hampered him, that's beyond our control. kellzfresh, blueblood22, Chelseabluerising and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's too big 625 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 did he play this past weekend for betis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelseabluerising 60 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 1 hour ago, It's too big said: did he play this past weekend for betis? Think he might be at Cobham for treatment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Musonda set to return to Chelsea https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.ibtimes.co.uk/chelsea-real-betis-close-agreeing-terms-charly-musonda-loan-deal-termination-1595596?client=ms-android-sonymobile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif 6,006 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 On 12/3/2016 at 3:57 PM, LDN Blue said: Have we? Sounds like a change in management at Betis has hampered him, that's beyond our control. Yes we have. It's our fault, as in our club's fault, that they poorly evaluated where/when to send him out. That is not beyond our control, I'm afraid. He wasn't getting a sniff before or after any change in management. The board failed, again, with it's loan strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magic weeds 446 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 1 hour ago, Leif said: Yes we have. It's our fault, as in our club's fault, that they poorly evaluated where/when to send him out. That is not beyond our control, I'm afraid. He wasn't getting a sniff before or after any change in management. The board failed, again, with it's loan strategy. I think he means, Before Poyet took over, Musonda was playing regularly. After Poyet got kicked out, the other guy just continued with the trend as most managers do. Select the same players the previous managers were selecting. Coupled with injuries, its been a difficult season for young Charlie. IMO its rather bad luck than the Club´s fault. MefiX19, LDN Blue and The Skipper 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gadget 126 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Hope he's given a chance 2nd half of the season no oscar seemingly in heading out the door. FA cup matches and sub appearances see if he shows any potential to make it at Chelsea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyikolajevics 2,700 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 On 2016. 12. 09. at 2:47 PM, Leif said: Yes we have. It's our fault, as in our club's fault, that they poorly evaluated where/when to send him out. That is not beyond our control, I'm afraid. He wasn't getting a sniff before or after any change in management. The board failed, again, with it's loan strategy. He is 20 years old. How on earth is he ruined? He had one loan spell, he showed that he is good enough for LaLiga, he had some outstanding matches. Now it looks like we shouldn't force Betis, we'll find another team for him, he will shine there. The board failed again with it's loan strategy? Name a few players that played poorly at loan spells then became world class players when we sold them? Real talents prove themselves, no matter what. Christensen, Lukaku, De Bruyne or Courtois made an instant impact out on loan. I don't think it's our loan systems failure that McEachran, Di Santo, Van Aanholt or Kakuta couldn't reach the top level. kellzfresh, jernej93 and MefiX19 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,075 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 On 03/12/2016 at 3:57 PM, LDN Blue said: Have we? Sounds like a change in management at Betis has hampered him, that's beyond our control. Not true. He wasn't starting at the end of last season either. As often happens with new/young players, Charly drew more praise for his early performances with Bettis than his contribution really deserved. As his loan spell went on, more realistic assessments were made and Charlie found himself on the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif 6,006 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 4 hours ago, nyikolajevics said: He is 20 years old. How on earth is he ruined? He had one loan spell, he showed that he is good enough for LaLiga, he had some outstanding matches. Now it looks like we shouldn't force Betis, we'll find another team for him, he will shine there. The board failed again with it's loan strategy? Name a few players that played poorly at loan spells then became world class players when we sold them? Real talents prove themselves, no matter what. Christensen, Lukaku, De Bruyne or Courtois made an instant impact out on loan. I don't think it's our loan systems failure that McEachran, Di Santo, Van Aanholt or Kakuta couldn't reach the top level. We take talented prospects, and in their most important young years, we essentially ensure they get 0 time on the pitch, whether that's here (RLC) or with a mediocre club abroad. That is ruining a player. If he'd been at Arsenal, United, or City, he'd already be worth 40m+, warranted or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jernej93 569 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 49 minutes ago, Leif said: We take talented prospects, and in their most important young years, we essentially ensure they get 0 time on the pitch, whether that's here (RLC) or with a mediocre club abroad. That is ruining a player. If he'd been at Arsenal, United, or City, he'd already be worth 40m+, warranted or not. It doesn't work like this, I am sure that you would complain about results if players like Piazon, McEachran and Kakuta would play for us just because they were tagged as talented players. Every young kid with some skills is marked as talented player or "next Messi/Ronaldo/ nowadays but only few really develop into worldclass quality. If you can't make it in 2nd division or in midtable club than you don't have what it takes to succed in Chelsea. Simple as that. Look at De Bruyne, Lukaku and Courtois or something like Baker, Traore, Christiansen, Abraham, Ake and Baba are doing this season. Bamford (Crystal Palace, Norwich, Burnley) - 17 games, 0 goals - almost two seasons Gael Kakuta (Two seasons in Vitesse) - 34 games, 2 goals - compare it to Baker or Traore Is it really our fault? I am sure that Musonda will get his shot to prove himself  Than we will see if he is worth it ... flashy skills doesn't make you a superstar player  Jeremie Boga is 1 year younger than him and he is making a pretty good impact at better side in La liga  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyikolajevics 2,700 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 6 hours ago, Leif said: We take talented prospects, and in their most important young years, we essentially ensure they get 0 time on the pitch, whether that's here (RLC) or with a mediocre club abroad. That is ruining a player. If he'd been at Arsenal, United, or City, he'd already be worth 40m+, warranted or not. Are you talking about Manchester United that let Pogba go for free and bought back for 120 million? Also, do you really think City treats their young players that well? Interesting.. We give young players a chance. We sign them, they can train in an outsanding training centre with the best coaches in the world among the best young players in the world. When they reach the age of 18-19, we find them loan clubs to introduce them to pro footbal. From now on, it's up to them. Of course not every loan spell works out, but like I said, real talents like KDB, Christensen, Lukaku and Thibaut will prove if they good enough or not. LDN Blue, The Skipper, MefiX19 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo 2 Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 Musonda supposedly trained with the CFC squad today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MefiX19 1,092 Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 53 minutes ago, buffalo said: Musonda supposedly trained with the CFC squad today He is training with us for like 2 weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Roma want Musonda on loan http://www.westlondonsport.com/chelsea/roma-show-interest-chelsea-youngster Unionjack 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif 6,006 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 I think only Roma & Seville are playing the sort of football that'd nurture Musonda close to his full potential, bar Barcelona. It'd finally be the right move, if he plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jernej93 569 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 7 minutes ago, Leif said: I think only Roma & Seville are playing the sort of football that'd nurture Musonda close to his full potential, bar Barcelona. It'd finally be the right move, if he plays. We should look for more realistic loan, don't you think? He couldn't break into Betis squad and he won't make the bench in Roma I think loan to Holland would suit him because they all play attacking football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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