themightyblue 443 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Ask the board, all I'm saying is that they clearly want a CF and RW. Maybe Sturridge might be off? Who knows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Why 2 CF's then? No RB as well?Anelka left and Drogba ...surely at least one CF is needed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Anelka left and Drogba ...surely at least one CF is neededYou're not answering my original question. I said why 2 CF's? We have Torres and Sturridge. You want us to have 4 strikers fighting for one spot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themightyblue 443 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 And I answered your question. None of us know sturridge's situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beepu 1,714 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 You're not answering my original question. I said why 2 CF's? We have Torres and Sturridge. You want us to have 4 strikers fighting for one spot?I think maybe what they meant was if sturridge leaves and lukaku goes on loan. Maybe.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 And I answered your question. None of us know sturridge's situationSturridge hasn't left. So getting 2 CF's makes no sense. For some odd reason you also don't want a RB... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HNKS 508 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Sturridge hasn't left. So getting 2 CF's makes no sense. For some odd reason you also don't want a RB...If Torres gets injured I cant help but feel we will get fucked with Sturridge starting. Torres can at least assist when not scoring, Sturridge even scores or keeps shooting. Hope he leaves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themightyblue 443 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Yes but the club may want him gone this summer or used in a deal. He's only got a year left as everyone knows. The club wouldn't sign a player all willy nilly. There'd be a reason why we go for hulk and Moses if we are. And of course I want a RB. Another assumption...., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 You're not answering my original question. I said why 2 CF's? We have Torres and Sturridge. You want us to have 4 strikers fighting for one spot?2 strikers is not sufficient for a season of over 60 games ,,, Sturridge is unproved as a CF as is Lukaku...but you are so fixed in your own ideas I won't bother with you further Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 As has been said so many times before, If we sign Hulk he can play CF. So that's 3 CF's right there. No need to buy an out and out Striker. Also, Sturridge is unproven as a striker? That is truly rich as he has played CF his entire life...It's also obvious he has Talent. We shouldn't give up on him just yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeB 1,281 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 No way will we do the 4-6-0 thing. A. it wont work in the premier league, and B, we we dont really have the players for it. And IMO its an awful system.Moyes implemented it with success at Everton with Tim CahillAnd I do think it's the best system to play teams who park the bus. If you play a 4-6-0 with a player such as Rooney as a false nine, he aspires the defenders by leaving his position and a winger can cut inside. If the defender don't follow the Rooney, then he can turn around and shoot and score (like against us at SB). And if the defender is tempted to come out, a winger can run into the space.What Spain does is very smart because they even play with 3 players with specific roles between the lines. Fabregas is the false nine and leaves his position whereas Iniesta and Silva ay be higher than Fabregas. Silva and Iniesta are really fixing the defenders, they make them focused on another thing by standing where they are.4-6-0 means a lot of players between the lines because the false nine allows two support players to insert into spaces he creates. And it's way to counter teams parking the bus.You can play a quite direct way with 4-6-0, the only thing that changes with Spain is that they decide to play possession. If you ask your offensive players to shoot and put the CK under pressure, there's no reason not using the 4-6-0.Ancelotti already used it at Old Trafford when we won in 2010, Drogba was surprisingly benched (because he is regarded as a player who weighs on the defense line and makes them staying deeper) to play Anelka. Anelka left his position and Malouda and Joe Cole were higher than him, running into space created by AnelkaBut you hardly can play a similar way of 4-6-0 away because you have to be very high and keep possession, what's more difficult considering that you're "not supposed" to play when you play away. It's better to play it at home against a team who will only defend. Because that way of playing does not really plan the defensive duties of the between the lines players (tracking full backs by example) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kojo 4,676 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 2 strikers is not sufficient for a season of over 60 games ,,, Sturridge is unproved as a CF as is Lukaku...but you are so fixed in your own ideas I won't bother with you furtherUnproven? 8 goals in 12 games for Bolton was enough for me. Our top scorer the season after with 11 goals. Two strikers isn't enough you say? who where the only two forwards to play last season as striker? Torres and Drogba. We have more games now yes, but two forwards is all what we need and should anything happen we will be able to recall Lukaku.fixed in his own ideas is he... ahhhh ignorance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 the Spain I watched seemed to play 2 3 5 ...with 5 attackers swarming round the the opponents box. The fact that none were traditional strikers is totallyirrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,907 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 The ONLY way I wouldn't be upset with Studge leaving is if it involved Modric coming in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Unproven? 8 goals in 12 games for Bolton was enough for me. Our top scorer the season after with 11 goals. Two strikers isn't enough you say? who where the only two forwards to play last season as striker? Torres and Drogba. We have more games now yes, but two forwards is all what we need and should anything happen we will be able to recall Lukaku.fixed in his own ideas is he... ahhhh ignorance. You sexy beast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Unproven? 8 goals in 12 games for Bolton was enough for me. Our top scorer the season after with 11 goals. Two strikers isn't enough you say? who where the only two forwards to play last season as striker? Torres and Drogba. We have more games now yes, but two forwards is all what we need and should anything happen we will be able to recall Lukaku.fixed in his own ideas is he... ahhhh ignorance.how many times has sturridge led the line as a lone striker??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 4,400 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 I don't think so. There was two players I really appreciate at Palace for some years, Moses and Nathaniel Clyne. Though their young ages and the weaknesses inherant to it, I though they have a really impressive maturity in their play. I don't find that with Zaha, he seems technically good and he's very quick but I'm not convinced by the content of his games. After all he doesn't manage to make the difference that often on the ball, I mean a lot of player can't do neither but Zaha's play has too much stepovers and useless thingsPlayers such as Clyne, Bertrand, Moses aren't that inconsistent in their play, they lack presence but they don't do lows and highs. For the handle of times I watched Zaha play, when he manages something great he starts then to try even harder things (that he often missed) whereas the best thing to do to prove you're mentally ready is to continue playing at the same level whatever happens.And I remember the double confrontation with Cardiff in League Cup, though they have the same age, Clyne and Zaha were opposed on the pitch. The first one was captain and made two impressive and consistent performances, the second one was inconsistent (but also alone because Palace stayed deep) and got more and more nervous as the game went (was booked, and if I remember well it was McNaughton playing with his nerves)I easily see a bright future for Clyne and Moses. I'm not that optimistic about ZahaOtherwise I completely agree with the second part of your message !Without trying to 'derail' the thread, with Wilfried Zaha i do think he can have a big future because when i've seen him, he seems to show no fear and raw talent. He has every trick in the book and so much pace and seems strong too, very often brushes off challenges and keeps going but also can be a bit theatrical and go down easy too but if he wants to stay up, he will. As a guy who is only 19, a top club could do wonders with him improving him with elements of play with what he already has. In the 2nd leg of the Carling Cup semi with Cardiff, he was like the lone ranger, he tried so hard to do something but tired a lot from around the 75th minute. Maybe a bit greedy but i can see him going up to the next level in the not too distant future to maybe a Wigan or a Sunderland and then we'll see him improve and maybe go to a bigger team a few years later.To end back on topic with a point on Moses, as i've said i'm all for the transfer but i am wondering too what formation we'll be adopting and what are we trying to do. We do seem to have a lot of players and aiming for more with the same types of qualities, i hope we don't end up making 3 or 4 quality talented players rot and their careers accumulate to fuck all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kojo 4,676 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 how many times has sturridge led the line as a lone striker???He did it a few times at Bolton when Elmander worked behind him, and he just used to work really hard.Then he did it twice last season, once against Sunderland had a good game scored, had a half against blackburn as one. Should've had a penalty that game when Samba had to push him from behind, he had a decent game then, just couldn't get a goal because there was no creativity, as usual... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themightyblue 443 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 As has been said so many times before, If we sign Hulk he can play CF. So that's 3 CF's right there. No need to buy an out and out Striker. Also, Sturridge is unproven as a striker? That is truly rich as he has played CF his entire life...It's also obvious he has Talent. We shouldn't give up on him just yet.All I've said is that rather than shunning the idea of Moses and hulk if that's what the club wanna do then there's gonna be a reason behind it. There's no guarantee that Danny is staying. We wanted giroud and hulk, so clearly something is up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 He did it a few times at Bolton when Elmander worked behind him, and he just used to work really hard.Then he did it twice last season, once against Sunderland had a good game scored, had a half against blackburn as one. Should've had a penalty that game when Samba had to push him from behind, he had a decent game then, just couldn't get a goal because there was no creativity, as usual...At Bolton he played in a two with Kevin Davies.. To my mind a handful of starts as the main striker means unproven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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