Oscar

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He literally ruined EVERY attack that went to him. I was in shock, and even in more shock when they kept passing to him.

I refuse to believe Brazil doesn't have better than what he showed today. Luca Lima,Coutinho, hell old ass Kaka. They need something.

He wouldnt be starting for a long time if I were Dunga.....absolutely unacceptable display.

Yeah, he was really awful in the final third. With so many of our other players being hideously out-of-form, it would be a real shame if Oscar sinks to their level.

On a more positive note, I thought Willian looked good out there. He created a few genuinely dangerous openings, regularly dribbled past opponents, and displayed tidy link-up play for the most part. Hopefully he can maintain this level for a while longer.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

Yeah, he was really awful in the final third. With so many of our other players being hideously out-of-form, it would be a real shame if Oscar sinks to their level.

On a more positive note, I thought Willian looked good out there. He created a few genuinely dangerous openings, regularly dribbled past opponents, and displayed tidy link-up play for the most part. Hopefully he can maintain this level for a while longer.

Willian was Brilliant. Definitely agree there.

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Finally watched the game and thought Oscar was decent. Certainly not good enough, but not as bad as I've been hearing.

Yes, Willian had a better game, only because he was able to put some decent crosses in the box. He was also a bit inefficient in the final third, so what was said of Oscar applies to Willian as well.

This Brazilian team is as bad as the one who crumbled to Germany. While people had fun dissing at D. Luiz brain-dead decision making, the stinker was really the midfield or the lack thereof - it always is.

I've come to think that Luiz Gustavo is nowhere near good enough. Fernandinho is also not good enough as is Ramires. So, Brazil has no CM to speak of - nobody as good as Vidal for example. Too many players on the squad play in Brazil - a very different league in terms of pace and these players will always struggle in a more competitive game. They can't possibly field a goal keeper (and yet they did!) who play in second division in Brazil against the likes of Alexis and Vidal - they literally play at a different speed he's used to.

There are so many things wrong with Brazil atm that it's difficult to think they will come back to top5 any time soon.

Almost forgot:

Daniel Alves was awful

and Marcelo good with the ball at his feet but awful without it

Marquinhos replaced injured D.Luiz while still 0x0 and had a pretty poor game IMO.

[Jase 43,479]

Oscar, Willian criticized heavily in Brazil after losing to Chile in World Cup qualifying

"Brazil without Neymar is pure crap. We were trying to find a synonym, so: Brazil is s**t. Isn't it? Bullcrap, poop."

"What's worse -- or 'best' -- is that 'boy' who isn't cold, but has cockroach's blood called Oscar, whom as a player is 'indefined' in every way; without a defined personality. He's capable of scoring Brazil's consolation goal against Germany in that 7-1, but he'll always be incapable of scoring the team's first goal in a hard game."

"In today's game [against Chile] he had the opportunity to score the first goal but he fluffed his chance. And then he goes on to take a free kick, and when it was about to be taken [narrator] Galvão Bueno said Willian scored four goals from free kicks in his last four games. Willian suffered the foul but Oscar takes the free kick and... it hits the wall."

[Myself 793]

wish we sold him when he was still worth 35m+ back in 13/14

[Barbara 15,149]

Oscar, Willian criticized heavily in Brazil after losing to Chile in World Cup qualifying

yep, I saw this guy saying exactly those things live on TV (not in the match, but in a kind of MOTD kind of show).

It's a literal translation of what he's said, it isn't the media though, it was one guy's comment.

That said, I think Oscar has had enough chances to prove his worth and he more often than not proved otherwise, he's always going to be that player that has a brilliant moment once in a big while, that will press a lot, but won't offer much else to the attack

Willian got the evolution I expected from Oscar and should definitely be ahead of him in both Chelsea and Brazil NT.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

yep, I saw this guy saying exactly those things live on TV (not in the match, but in a kind of MOTD kind of show).

It's a literal translation of what he's said, it isn't the media though, it was one guy's comment.

That said, I think Oscar has had enough chances to prove his worth and he more often than not proved otherwise, he's always going to be that player that has a brilliant moment once in a big while, that will press a lot, but won't offer much else to the attack

Willian got the evolution I expected from Oscar and should definitely be ahead of him in both Chelsea and Brazil NT.

You know, when he scored that beauty in the Champions League vs Juventus I thought he was the real deal. A classic Brazilian number 10 with enormous ability, agility and skill, but you've hit the nail on the headed with the bold part.

I don't know if he suffers from a lack of interest, concentration or he's just not that intelligent on a football sense but something is not right when you watch Oscar. When he simply coasts through a game or lets it go by him (a la Fabregas) he's a useless part. I often mock Ozil for Arsenal because, while on talent he may be one of the best no10s in the world, he does the infamous disappearing act for Arsenal far too much! Their fans will defend him to the core, they have no choice when he came at £40m, but even they know in their hearts that Ozil's lack of consistency hurts them a lot.

Mourinho sees this, you would think. The amount of time Oscar has spent on the bench in the last two seasons is staggering. He was often subbed on or off but seldom played a full 90minutes. Slyly, JM must regret selling Mata and dubbing Oscar his number 10. I defended that decision a lot when it happened and I'm sad that its simply not clicking for Oscar but he's got resale value and this isn't the time for sentiments.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Of all people who gained shitload of weight in our team, the one who should gain it, didnt...still looks too weak despite his agressive play.

[Thendo 1,088]

Absolutely invisible when he came on. Sure he didn't get much gametime, but he really did nothing at all.

[Badboy 1,526]

I have never liked Oscar... He has no personality on the pitch hes good for nothing !

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You know, when he scored that beauty in the Champions League vs Juventus I thought he was the real deal. A classic Brazilian number 10 with enormous ability, agility and skill, but you've hit the nail on the headed with the bold part.

I don't know if he suffers from a lack of interest, concentration or he's just not that intelligent on a football sense but something is not right when you watch Oscar. When he simply coasts through a game or lets it go by him (a la Fabregas) he's a useless part. I often mock Ozil for Arsenal because, while on talent he may be one of the best no10s in the world, he does the infamous disappearing act for Arsenal far too much! Their fans will defend him to the core, they have no choice when he came at £40m, but even they know in their hearts that Ozil's lack of consistency hurts them a lot.

Mourinho sees this, you would think. The amount of time Oscar has spent on the bench in the last two seasons is staggering. He was often subbed on or off but seldom played a full 90minutes. Slyly, JM must regret selling Mata and dubbing Oscar his number 10. I defended that decision a lot when it happened and I'm sad that its simply not clicking for Oscar but he's got resale value and this isn't the time for sentiments.

Probably does. I think he might not admit it but he probably regrets selling KDB out of all of them. He could have coached him to press like Oscar but take that aside KDB is an upgrade over Oscar in almost every angle and I think he would have done wonders for us. Look at the impact he has made at City already and he is on the level with the likes of Hazard, Silva, Sanchez and Aguero, he really is. Oscar just looks way too fragile when playing for us. There were some people who actually thought he was the missing link when we were doing poor and he was not in the team. Oscar is a player before like I was saying that may look good when we are playing well but rarely will be the standout difference when the team is average. We really need better contributions from him because too often he looks like a fragile passenger.

Mourinho is obviously not impressed by Oscar, hence why he has been on the bench in recent matches. But right now I am fine with him as a squad player. I just don't think he has done enough to be starting as our no.10 and I think he will continue on the bench till he actually steps up much more.

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Probably does. I think he might not admit it but he probably regrets selling KDB out of all of them. He could have coached him to press like Oscar but take that aside KDB is an upgrade over Oscar in almost every angle and I think he would have done wonders for us. Look at the impact he has made at City already and he is on the level with the likes of Hazard, Silva, Sanchez and Aguero, he really is. Oscar just looks way too fragile when playing for us. There were some people who actually thought he was the missing link when we were doing poor and he was not in the team. Oscar is a player before like I was saying that may look good when we are playing well but rarely will be the standout difference when the team is average. We really need better contributions from him because too often he looks like a fragile passenger.

Mourinho is obviously not impressed by Oscar, hence why he has been on the bench in recent matches. But right now I am fine with him as a squad player. I just don't think he has done enough to be starting as our no.10 and I think he will continue on the bench till he actually steps up much more.

NOPE.

Mourinho doesn't regret selling KDB. Only thing he regrets is not getting more money or performance clauses on his deal. No way can KDB play the n10 role Jose wants and envisions. Also, regarding KDB, all those stats he put up are games where david silva was injured/not playing. If Cesc burned out before the beginning of the 2015, no way would KDB last longer, especially in the n10 role. We've seen time and time, how players are going right through Cesc and the same would apply to KDB or in my opinion even worse.

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Of all people who gained shitload of weight in our team, the one who should gain it, didnt...still looks too weak despite his agressive play.

Some guys just don't get bigger..

Rambo never got bigger all these years.

[Oscar 441]

You know, when he scored that beauty in the Champions League vs Juventus I thought he was the real deal. A classic Brazilian number 10 with enormous ability, agility and skill, but you've hit the nail on the headed with the bold part.

I don't know if he suffers from a lack of interest, concentration or he's just not that intelligent on a football sense but something is not right when you watch Oscar. When he simply coasts through a game or lets it go by him (a la Fabregas) he's a useless part. I often mock Ozil for Arsenal because, while on talent he may be one of the best no10s in the world, he does the infamous disappearing act for Arsenal far too much! Their fans will defend him to the core, they have no choice when he came at £40m, but even they know in their hearts that Ozil's lack of consistency hurts them a lot.

Mourinho sees this, you would think. The amount of time Oscar has spent on the bench in the last two seasons is staggering. He was often subbed on or off but seldom played a full 90minutes. Slyly, JM must regret selling Mata and dubbing Oscar his number 10. I defended that decision a lot when it happened and I'm sad that its simply not clicking for Oscar but he's got resale value and this isn't the time for sentiments.

Honestly, Oscar isn't really ideal for what Jose envisions imo and his probably dieing out physically from it. Cesc took half a season before he broked down under Jose too.

Also, maybe he regrets branding him his n10, but I don't think he would of made Juan mata his n10.

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NOPE.

Mourinho doesn't regret selling KDB. Only thing he regrets is not getting more money or performance clauses on his deal. No way can KDB play the n10 role Jose wants and envisions. Also, regarding KDB, all those stats he put up are games where david silva was injured/not playing. If Cesc burned out before the beginning of the 2015, no way would KDB last longer, especially in the n10 role. We've seen time and time, how players are going right through Cesc and the same would apply to KDB or in my opinion even worse.

KDB may of not been able to work hard every game and put in the same performance level but he would have been good enough to make an impact here. Even if it meant swapping KDB to the left sometimes, it would have worked. That is where he has played for City in their last 2, constantly cutting inside and trying to execute through balls. The problem with Oscar is he is pressing but it is not effective at all as he is just too weak. He done his bit against Arsenal, well played to him but it seems back to square one and most importantly he is not offering anything in attack. Like I was saying, I am not saying KDB would have been a star for us every game but he would of made much more a contribution in attack, which we have often been lacking this season.

Some guys just don't get bigger..

Rambo never got bigger all these years.

Rambo don't get bigger but he stands his own ground and has good balance. Oscar used to show this but looks more and more fragile.

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KDB may of not been able to work hard every game and put in the same performance level but he would have been good enough to make an impact here. Even if it meant swapping KDB to the left sometimes, it would have worked. That is where he has played for City in their last 2, constantly cutting inside and trying to execute through balls. The problem with Oscar is he is pressing but it is not effective at all as he is just too weak. He done his bit against Arsenal, well played to him but it seems back to square one and most importantly he is not offering anything in attack. Like I was saying, I am not saying KDB would have been a star for us every game but he would of made much more a contribution in attack, which we have often been lacking this season.

Rambo don't get bigger but he stands his own ground and has good balance. Oscar used to show this but looks more and more fragile.

Did you see KDB play for City? He's good games have only been the games where David Silva did not play in them. Coincidence?

Also, KDB, like Cesc would of died out playing in the middle pressing/tackling. If it was a different manager, I guess. However, I'm just talking about Jose Mourinho and Chelsea with Oscar and KDB. Cesc hasn't looked good since the beginning of the year. Coincidence? or maybe he just died out

This idea that KDB or Mata could of played the role he envisioned couldn't be anywhere close to reality.

Rambo fouls a lot and the current Rambo does not stand his own ground or have good balance anymore.

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Did you see KDB play for City? He's good games have only been the games where David Silva did not play in them. Coincidence?

Also, KDB, like Cesc would of died out playing in the middle pressing/tackling. If it was a different manager, I guess. However, I'm just talking about Jose Mourinho and Chelsea with Oscar and KDB. Cesc hasn't looked good since the beginning of the year. Coincidence? or maybe he just died out

This idea that KDB or Mata could of played the role he envisioned couldn't be anywhere close to reality.

Rambo fouls a lot and the current Rambo does not stand his own ground or have good balance anymore.

Come on.... They have not even started a league game together and have only started 1 UCL game together IIRC and played another one together where KDB came on with under 20 mins remaining. We need to see them play more till we make that judgement tbh.

Some ways I agree with you. For instance I miss Mata but I think under Mourinho, his ability to press and perform in attack every game would be a question mark because naturally he is a slow player. However with KDB, when I see him, I know you will disagree but I always see him press hard, track back and do wonders going forward. He is for me the complete player. He is not a great presser or he is a great workhorse like Willian but he has got it in him because he has a fair amount of pace and stamina. He played almost every min for Wolfsburg and would never die out.

Cesc not performing is not to do with him dying out. He is just being innefective and struggles to dictate the game and looks more sloppy on the ball. I thought he was acc decent tonight but when I see Fabregas play in that role, I think KDB should be there because he can do what they are doing on the defensive but contribute much more going forward. I struggle to beleive that the defensive work rate required would have stalled him. Hazard is not naturally a defensive working player but he overcame the criticism before and adapted because he is a world class player and KDB is on that level too. Mourinho was just too rash.

Regarding Ramires, he is not the player he used to be but he still has shown in some matches this season what he brings unique to the team. He is not a lightweight despite his size and holds his own imo. When he is running forward it is quite difficult to bully him off the ball.

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Forget about his contribution in attack where's the fucking work rate?! Where's the non-stop chasing and pressing high?! Tackling hard... nothing!

He's been this slow pedestrian for both Chelsea and Brazil lately - rightfully so sitting on the bench for both.

What's going on?!