🇧🇷 Oscar

[LDN Blue 7,903]

But, it's different manager and different role for Oscar like how he had to adapt from being brazil n10 to essentially allowing Neymar to play a one man game.

Yea I do understand this factor, which is why for his own sake he should leave Chelsea by the way. But even then, I think his inconsistency and his nature that tends to see him disappear from games is telling. What's more telling is that Mourinho prefers Fabregas as a number 10 in big matches and benches Oscar.

It's better for player and club if he was to move on. We can fetch a nice price for the young Brazilian and he wouldn't be short of suitors. I just hope we don't fucking sell him to another rival..

[Oscar 441]

Yea I do understand this factor, which is why for his own sake he should leave Chelsea by the way. But even then, I think his inconsistency and his nature that tends to see him disappear from games is telling. What's more telling is that Mourinho prefers Fabregas as a number 10 in big matches and benches Oscar.

It's better for player and club if he was to move on. We can fetch a nice price for the young Brazilian and he wouldn't be short of suitors. I just hope we don't fucking sell him to another rival..

Speaking individually, it would be better for Oscar to leave.

However, I think Jose still favors Oscar and the reason he keeps Cesc on is that no one on the team can set peice like Cesc can. SO, essentially you can park the bus or play defensively, and hope for set pieces to go in...

[Rhino's Skin 972]

Speaking individually, it would be better for Oscar to leave.

However, I think Jose still favors Oscar and the reason he keeps Cesc on is that no one on the team can set peice like Cesc can. SO, essentially you can park the bus or play defensively, and hope for set pieces to go in...

has he actually told you this is the reason why?

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

Classic deflection tactics from Oscar apologists. Why must other players be drag into discussion about Oscar. You can say Oscar is very inconsistent and the reply would be "well William too is inconsistent", what does that have to donwith the original comment.

Then why not just tell me how those players are in any other category?

You can't say one player is in one category then call it deflection when it's inquired how other players who are older and of the same quality or worse are somehow exempt from it. Calling me names won't make that go away.

Oh sorry, I forgot I was dealing with the bastion of unpopular opinion as you called yourself last time this argument went around

But yet nobody can explain to me how Willian deserves a place in the team and Oscar does not - even with an awful second half of the season Oscar still ended up with more goals and assists.

[Fernando 6,585]

To me Oscar is like our poor man's muller. And all around player.

However muller play in big games yet Mourinho benches Oscar in bigger games towards the end of the season....

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

what potential? the potential thats been talked up about when he was 21? when he was 22? when he was 23? i dont see any improvement in him when he started playing with us 3 years ago. another poor excuse. if we so want to take out potential then lets play boga and musonda.

the point is he DID get injured. he got injured and did not get those minutes. just like the season before, where he fell off the wagon. the oscar that was injured and unable to play most of our games towards the end of the season had no problem playing the WC.

as for turan not being better.. thats just LOL talk. turan's close control, holding on to the ball is light years ahead of oscar. turan's passing and dribbling is also way better. oscar has better goal scoring, and pace than turan, thats it!!! please watch some of ATM's matches from the last season or the season where atm won the liga and were the finalists. he was just brilliant. something which can be said about oscar for like 5-10 matches per season. also, who is talking about getting rid of oscar. turan is a RW. oscar is a CAM. hazard-willian/oscar-willian/turan thats how we would line up. or we going to simply blindly keep hoping for oscar's supposed "potential" to come through one fine day and reject any player who threatens his position?

If Turan was the better player why is it he is benched at Atletico?? His not a regular starter for Atletico because his contribution to the team is outweighed by his weaknesses

[cfcs most wanted 657]

To me Oscar is like our poor man's muller. And all around player.

However muller play in big games yet Mourinho benches Oscar in bigger games towards the end of the season....

You know he is benched for a reason

[didierforever 7,349]

If Turan was the better player why is it he is benched at Atletico?? His not a regular starter for Atletico because his contribution to the team is outweighed by his weaknesses

Oh my god!!! oh my fucking god!!! did i read this right?

did i fucking read this right?

2014-15 minutes played

turan - 3356

oscar - 2794

do people even watch football before posting there stupid opinions. arda turan - one of the best players of ATM is now a bench player. and its not just this guy. by people's opinion about turan, its pretty clear that they have no clue whatsoever about what they are posting.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Oh my god!!! oh my fucking god!!! did i read this right?

did i fucking read this right?

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oscar - 2794

do people even watch football before posting there stupid opinions. arda turan - one of the best players of ATM is now a bench player. and its not just this guy. by people's opinion about turan, its pretty clear that they have no clue whatsoever about what they are posting.

you're easily outraged, aren't you mate?

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

Oh my god!!! oh my fucking god!!! did i read this right?

did i fucking read this right?

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oscar - 2794

do people even watch football before posting there stupid opinions. arda turan - one of the best players of ATM is now a bench player. and its not just this guy. by people's opinion about turan, its pretty clear that they have no clue whatsoever about what they are posting.

I dont know what you have smoked but I want it too, look at his stats from last season (ARDA Turan Played 32 games, 2 goals, 4 Assists last season in the league), Out of Atletico's 55 games last season he only started 30 games look it up ESPN stats and stop making up stats. http://www.espnfc.us/player/86565/arda-turan

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

you're easily outraged, aren't you mate?

To make matters even worse his lying about his stats too, look at Arda's minutes and stats from last season http://www.espnfc.us/player/86565/arda-turan, nowhere near Oscar's stats

[LDN Blue 7,903]

To make matters even worse his lying about his stats too, look at Arda's minutes and stats from last season http://www.espnfc.us/player/86565/arda-turan, nowhere near Oscar's stats

Well he only started on the bench 5x from what I'm seeing.

[didierforever 7,349]

I dont know what you have smoked but I want it too, look at his stats from last season (ARDA Turan Played 32 games, 2 goals, 4 Assists last season in the league), Out of Atletico's 55 games last season he only started 30 games look it up ESPN stats and stop making up stats. http://www.espnfc.us/player/86565/arda-turan

ahahahhahahahahahhaha... he played 32 games out of the total 38 games that ATM played... hahahahah.. learn to read man!!!1 get a brain for heaven's sake!!! http://www.transfermarkt.com/arda-turan/leistungsdaten/spieler/21369/plus/?saison=2014

do you see

2014 / 2015 Spanish Primera División

written so big and proper over the 32 game stat??? hahahaha..

he played 45/46 out of the 55 games that ATM played and you think he was their bench player!!!! hahahaha.. just cant stop laughing...

[didierforever 7,349]

To make matters even worse his lying about his stats too, look at Arda's minutes and stats from last season http://www.espnfc.us/player/86565/arda-turan, nowhere near Oscar's stats

hahahahahahhahahaha... clueless.. absolutely clueleess.. just shows how much football you actually watch...

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

ahahahhahahahahahhaha... he played 32 games out of the total 38 games that ATM played... hahahahah.. learn to read man!!!1 get a brain for heaven's sake!!! http://www.transfermarkt.com/arda-turan/leistungsdaten/spieler/21369/plus/?saison=2014

he played 45/46 out of the 55 games that ATM played and you think he was their bench player!!!! hahahaha.. just cant stop laughing...

You are the one who should learn to read, he might have played in games but clearly his not an untouchable at Atletico and is regualry benched just like Oscar at Chelsea. Tuiran might have played all those games but look at how many games he was not picked up as a starter, way more than Oscar excluding injuries

[JaKstone 307]

hahahahahahhahahaha... clueless.. absolutely clueleess.. just shows how much football you actually watch...

Calm down..

[didierforever 7,349]

You are the one who should learn to read, he might have played in games but clearly his not an untouchable at Atletico and is regualry benched just like Oscar at Chelsea. Tuiran might have played all those games but look at how many games he was not picked up as a starter, way more than Oscar excluding injuries

HE PLAYED EACH OF ATM'S CL GAME. HE STARTED EACH OF ATM'S CL GAME.

group A 9/16/14 A Atlético Madrid Olympiacos Piraeus Olympiacos 3:2 RW 90'

group A 10/1/14 H Atlético Madrid Juventus FC Juventus 1:0 LW 1 89'

group A 10/22/14 H Atlético Madrid Malmö FF Malmö FF 5:0 RW 1 68'

group A 11/4/14 A Atlético Madrid Malmö FF Malmö FF 0:2 RW 76'

group A 11/26/14 H Atlético Madrid Olympiacos Piraeus Olympiacos 4:0 AM 1 66'

group A 12/9/14 A Atlético Madrid Juventus FC Juventus 0:0 RW 90'

last 16 1st leg 2/25/15 A Atlético Madrid Bayer 04 Leverkusen Bay. Leverkusen 1:0 RW 64'

last 16 2nd leg 3/17/15 H Atlético Madrid Bayer 04 Leverkusen Bay. Leverkusen 4:2 ON PENS RW 120'

quarter-finals 1st leg 4/14/15 H Atlético Madrid Real Madrid Real Madrid 0:0 LW 90'

quarter-finals 2nd leg 4/22/15 A Atlético Madrid Real Madrid Real Madrid 1:0 RW 32' 76' 76'

HE PLAYED IN 32 GAMES OUT OF A POSSIBLE 34 LEAGUE GAMES (was injured for 3 and suspended for 1)

Match day Date Home/Away For vs. Result Pos.

1 8/25/14 A Atlético Madrid Rayo Vallecano Rayo Vallecano 0:0 Groin Injury

2 8/30/14 H Atlético Madrid (12.) SD Eibar SD Eibar (7.) 2:1 Groin Injury

3 9/13/14 A Atlético Madrid (6.) Real Madrid Real Madrid (10.) 1:2 1 30'

4 9/20/14 H Atlético Madrid (4.) Celta de Vigo Celta de Vigo (5.) 2:2 RW 90'

5 9/24/14 A Atlético Madrid (4.) UD Almería UD Almería (10.) 0:1 RW 8' 84'

6 9/27/14 H Atlético Madrid (4.) Sevilla FC Sevilla FC (3.) 4:0 RW 90'

7 10/4/14 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Valencia CF Valencia CF (2.) 3:1 LW 69'

8 10/19/14 H Atlético Madrid (5.) RCD Espanyol Barcelona Espanyol (8.) 2:0 RW 59'

9 10/26/14 A Atlético Madrid (5.) Getafe CF Getafe CF (10.) 0:1 AM 1 90'

10 11/1/14 H Atlético Madrid (5.) Córdoba CF Córdoba CF (18.) 4:2 LW 61'

11 11/9/14 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Real Sociedad Real Sociedad (19.) 2:1 LW 16' 85'

12 11/22/14 H Atlético Madrid (4.) Málaga CF Málaga CF (6.) 3:1 RW 1 87'

13 11/30/14 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Deportivo de La Coruña Dep. La Coruña (18.) 2:0 LW 1 90'

14 12/6/14 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Elche CF Elche CF (19.) 0:2 LW 1 80'

15 12/14/14 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Villarreal CF Villarreal CF (6.) 0:1 LW 28' 76'

16 12/21/14 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Athletic Bilbao Athletic Bilbao (10.) 1:4 LW 75' 84'

17 1/3/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Levante UD Levante UD (15.) 3:1 RW 66'

18 1/11/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) FC Barcelona FC Barcelona (2.) 3:1 RW 90'

19 1/18/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Granada CF Granada CF (20.) 2:0 RW 1 90'

20 1/24/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Rayo Vallecano Rayo Vallecano (10.) 3:1 RW 80'

21 1/31/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) SD Eibar SD Eibar (8.) 1:3

22 2/7/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Real Madrid Real Madrid (1.) 4:0 RW 50' 90'

23 2/15/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Celta de Vigo Celta de Vigo (10.) 2:0 yellow card suspension

24 2/21/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) UD Almería UD Almería (16.) 3:0 RW 90'

25 3/1/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Sevilla FC Sevilla FC (5.) 0:0 RW 37' 59'

26 3/8/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Valencia CF Valencia CF (4.) 1:1 RW 90'

27 3/14/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) RCD Espanyol Barcelona Espanyol (10.) 0:0 24'

28 3/21/15 H Atlético Madrid (4.) Getafe CF Getafe CF (13.) 2:0 RW 90'

29 4/4/15 A Atlético Madrid (4.) Córdoba CF Córdoba CF (20.) 0:2 20'

30 4/7/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Real Sociedad Real Sociedad (10.) 2:0 RW 83' 86'

31 4/11/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Málaga CF Málaga CF (7.) 2:2 RW 80'

32 4/18/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Deportivo de La Coruña Dep. La Coruña (16.) 1:2 LW 58'

33 4/25/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Elche CF Elche CF (14.) 3:0 on the bench

34 4/29/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Villarreal CF Villarreal CF (6.) 0:1 RW 62'

35 5/2/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) Athletic Bilbao Athletic Bilbao (8.) 0:0 34'

36 5/10/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Levante UD Levante UD (15.) 2:2 RW 90'

37 5/17/15 H Atlético Madrid (3.) FC Barcelona FC Barcelona (1.) 0:1 RW 72'

38 5/23/15 A Atlético Madrid (3.) Granada CF Granada CF (17.) 0:0 not in the squad

except for the last game of the season and another against elche, he played every game of the season.

dude, please, please stop embarassing yourself. go to an ATM forum or any spanish team forum and just say "arda is a bench player for ATM" and see what they do to you. cant even believe it.

[didierforever 7,349]

you're easily outraged, aren't you mate?

easily? have you read what people are writing about turan.

its like turan is some championship player who we are buying or looking to buy. people were happier being linked to james milner.

and then turan being a bench player was just too much for me.

anyone who watches/follows ATM even a little bit would know that turan and koke and 2 of their main players. its like saying hazard is a bench player for chelsea.

clearly, the guy has no clue and probably has never watched turan play.

he has even read the stats wrong by thinking that those 32 games played are for all the season and not just out of the 38 la liga games.

i mean people should atleast have the vaguest posiible ideas before forming an opinion.

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

hahahahahahhahahaha... clueless.. absolutely clueleess.. just shows how much football you actually watch...

You are the one whose clueless, even soccer journalists who have more knowledge than you agree to the fact that Turan's output is shit to be precise. Quote from a recent article on ESPN : Despite the fact that the Turk's attacking instincts and ability to carry the ball cannot be doubted, his end product is actually not all that impressive in real terms. His goalscoring return is paltry, notching just 13 in 127 La Liga appearances during four seasons with the club, while he has only directly assisted 18 league goals over that same period.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

You are the one who should learn to read, he might have played in games but clearly his not an untouchable at Atletico and is regualry benched just like Oscar at Chelsea. Tuiran might have played all those games but look at how many games he was not picked up as a starter, way more than Oscar excluding injuries

Actually, I think you're wrong mate. He's only started 5x from the bench and most of his substitutions happened between 80-90mins.. Also the frequency of these substitutions suggests rotation/rest because they're all over different periods of time.. In other words, he's not consistently substituted off.

Edited July 4, 2015 by LDN Blue