🇧🇷 Oscar

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

Well here we are again, after another game where he does almost nothing special (he did ok in the time he was on the pitch) and people start saying that the things others do are because of Oscar...

Face the reality. He was horrible in te last 3 months and at best ok in the first months of the season. Just like last season.

It's not good enough and he will end this season again as one of the worst players in the team.

He needs to improve a lot to be considered a decent starter here.

To be fair, the link up play he did with Hazard which lead to the goal, a) ramires would have been nowhere near such a position (no vision, is more defensive) and doesn't have the ability on the ball to perform such tight manouvres.

He's vital to our style of play, although nobody quite realises it yet. He's inconsistent, yes, and switches off before the season ends, but he's 23. These things rectify. And he gets no summer break until 2020 until something ridiculous like that, such are the demands of Brazil's engagements.

I think we need to be patient. Bringing in Koke, while a marginally better player, would be dumb. We'll be sitting here in a year's time having the same dilemmas while Oscar thrives at his new club and becomes the new KDB.

[Rom2013 446]

To be fair, the link up play he did with Hazard which lead to the goal, a) ramires would have been nowhere near such a position (no vision, is more defensive) and doesn't have the ability on the ball to perform such tight manouvres.

He's vital to our style of play, although nobody quite realises it yet. He's inconsistent, yes, and switches off before the season ends, but he's 23. These things rectify. And he gets no summer break until 2020 until something ridiculous like that, such are the demands of Brazil's engagements.

I think we need to be patient. Bringing in Koke, while a marginally better player, would be dumb. We'll be sitting here in a year's time having the same dilemmas while Oscar thrives at his new club and becomes the new KDB.

Yes, now you can remember that simple pass he did after a great moment of Hazard for the next 4 months because it's the only decent thing he did for months, and most likely it will bethe only in the next ones.

He's not vital, he is a problem that needs to be solved.

I think we should continue with players that play like shit every time they are on the pitch, or maybe when they are sold we should break their legs because if they play well for a minor team it was a mistake to sell them. We should have a 50 player squad, or continue forever with players that desapear for 4 months.

But yes, poor guy, he should be really tired when he played in the last 2 seasons less 20 or 25 games than Matic or Hazard.

[The Skipper 20,609]

Am I reading this right? Someone actually thinks Koke is just marginally better than Oscar?

[iseah100 5,612]

Am I reading this right? Someone actually thinks Koke is just marginally better than Oscar?

Blue tinted glasses at its finest.

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

This thread is fucking hilarious.

Our most important player, Koke only marginally better, the reason for our early form.

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

I can't get my head around this forum sometimes...

He looked ordinary to me. Literally everything he did in that UCL match Oscar could have done, and done better when he's in form. In a related topic (his transfer thread) people are saying he's not for us and has no end product.

[didierforever 7,349]

Am I reading this right? Someone actually thinks Koke is just marginally better than Oscar?

goes on to show their footballing knowledge.

[The Skipper 20,609]

I can't get my head around this forum sometimes...

He looked ordinary to me. Literally everything he did in that UCL match Oscar could have done, and done better when he's in form. In a related topic (his transfer thread) people are saying he's not for us and has no end product.

So you've only actually watched Koke once. Great.

[JaKstone 307]

goes on to show their footballing knowledge.

Talking about footballing knowledge

[didierforever 7,349]

Talking about footballing knowledge

sure dude.. koke is just marginally better than oscar.

go and say that to a pundit or some neutral and see what kind of a reply you get.

[Gilvorak 3,734]

Koke is clearly an average player. He has great workrate and a great cross on him but he's nothing special at all.Oscar obviously has the higher ceiling. Not sure why some of you are pretending he's the second coming of Iniesta or something.

[Gilvorak 3,734]

I only just realised this from reading another forum. I think Oscar is the most important member of our team for the style of football we ideally want to play.

Think back to both last season and the start of this season when he was playing well. Bloody hell we looked good didn't we? As long as Oscar was playing well so were we.

Is it a coincidence to think that the last great game we played so far was against Swansea when he netted twice? When his form dropped however, we started playing really turgid football and it wasn't as fluid as whenever he was on form.

Of course if we played a more counter attacking style like against City then he isn't required as much. But he is definitely an important piece of the Mourinho puzzle. I really wish he could be much more consistent because if he doesn't then we might need someone else who can fill that void.

When Oscar is on form, the team looks like a world beater. You can subsitute him for x, however, how do you guys know that x will supposedly play his role towards jose' liking and not get wiped out in the second half of the season?

Koke is a fantastic player as is Pogba, but, neither really can lead the press as well as Oscar. If this wasn't a Jose mourinho team, it would make sense, but, it is a jose team.

Watch Koke play for Spain and you can see the huge difference with Spain-Atletico. Pogba, I love as a player. Pretty much fantastic in everything outside of workrate/stamina. When your already labeled as world class, you think a player like Pogba is going to do dogwork like Oscar does without any defiance? One thing people take granted is Oscar pretty much sucked in his ego and played how Jose wanted and the team, not for himself. Those types of players, especially young knowned players are very difficult to find...

It isn't a coincidence at all. He's 10x the #10 Fabregas is.

[didierforever 7,349]

^obvious troll is an obvious troll.

[Gilvorak 3,734]

^obvious troll is an obvious troll.

There's not trollish about that comment and stop pretending you even watch Atleti regularly outside the Champions League.

The usual suspects in here criticize Oscar was his supposed lack of flair, vision and dribbling ability but Koke is definitely Zidane right? Or is this just another case of the grass is greener on the other side syndrome.

[TheOneChan95 225]

sure dude.. koke is just marginally better than oscar.

go and say that to a pundit or some neutral and see what kind of a reply you get.

Well tbf pundits say all sorts of stuff. Off the top of my head Ivanovic is an easy example, they talk of him as if he is this unbeatable RB all the time when he has obvious deficiencies such as not closing down a winger or a likelihood of brain farts. (Don't get me wrong I still love him)

I do think Koke is a fantastic player but just not the kind we really need.

[stroey 2,525]

^obvious troll is an obvious troll.

Biggest troll lately.

[didierforever 7,349]

There's not trollish about that comment and stop pretending you even watch Atleti regularly outside the Champions League.

The usual suspects in here criticize Oscar was his supposed lack of flair, vision and dribbling ability but Koke is definitely Zidane right? Or is this just another case of the grass is greener on the other side syndrome.

I have wrotten a couple of posts since morning of the difference between koke and oscar. You should probably gove it a read.

I don't have to pretend that I watxh atm cos I actually do unlike majority on here whi are judging koke on last night.

You should guve it a try watchong atm without the oscar gogles on. Might see the massove dearth on class between those 2.

Also, could not u put it this way that the only people whi think koke is marginally bettet than oscar are the ones wearong the oscar goggles. I mean the guy is considered to be the best replacement for the likes of xavi/inoesta which is light years ahead of soneone who holds his place on chelsea's first team in front of willian only cpa the manager is hell bent on proving that this guy has the potential.

Its not that hard to see the reality if u stop trolling. But who am I talking to.. someone who called oscar a GOAT..

[didierforever 7,349]

Well tbf pundits say all sorts of stuff. Off the top of my head Ivanovic is an easy example, they talk of him as if he is this unbeatable RB all the time when he has obvious deficiencies such as not closing down a winger or a likelihood of brain farts. (Don't get me wrong I still love him)

I do think Koke is a fantastic player but just not the kind we really need.

yes, sometimes pundits do say weird things. But name one who has said mikel is a better DM than matic. Somethings are obvious and the differemce in class of oscar and koke is one of them.

[Leif 6,006]

Koke is great but Pot is better

that was terrible

[iseah100 5,612]

Koke is clearly an average player. He has great workrate and a great cross on him but he's nothing special at all.Oscar obviously has the higher ceiling. Not sure why some of you are pretending he's the second coming of Iniesta or something.

Clearly? I don't think so. You're clearly a big Oscar fan and the fact that he has done fuck all from January on for the last 3 seasons tells me all i need to know, really.