Celtic or Rangers?

[Duppy Conqueror 1,534]

to save Scottish football they should introduce a salary cap like in the NFL so other teams than the Glasgow two can compete on a more level playing field. of course things are a bit up in the air at the moment ,so now might not be the most ideal time but in the long term that is what they need i think to make it a proper competition again. of course atleast Celtic would probably vote against that and threaten to break away and into the EPL but if the EPL came out and said they wouldn't accept scottish teams then Celtic would have to go along with it or cease to exist..

can remember when the so called big 5 of english football wanted to break away and that what started the ball rolling to the PL coming about.

it`s upto Scotland to sort out their mess..they will have to be more open to change than they have in the past or continue this slide into obscurity.

[ireland 0]

celtic could care less about rangers

[Justin_3d 1,140]

SPL - HMRC rejection means Rangers could leave SPL

Rangers will need permission from other clubs to play in the SPL and be banned from Europe for three years after HMRC revealed it would reject a Company Voluntary Arrangement.

The customs body, which is owed £21 million in unpaid VAT and PAYE from the era of former owner Craig Whyte, said it will vote against a pence-in-the-pound offer which would see creditors receive a fraction of monies owed.

That means the Ibrox club, formed in 1899, will be liquidated and a new company formed in its place.

This ‘newco’ switch sees all assets sold to the new company for £5.5m. A CVA would have been funded by an £8.5m loan from the consortium taking over the club, which is led by Charles Green.

Gers administrators Duff and Phelps revealed the news in the following statement:

"We have been informed by HMRC they will not support the proposal for a Company Voluntary Arrangement at the meeting of creditors on Thursday, June 14,” it read.

“As a result of this decision, the Sale and Purchase Agreement in place with the consortium led by Charles Green will take effect and Rangers Football Club will continue within a new company structure.

"HMRC has taken the view that the public interest will be better served with the liquidation of The Rangers Football Club plc as a corporate entity. The Club will continue to operate as it has always done but within a new company structure.

“HMRC consider that the decision will enable a liquidator to instigate a wider investigation into all of the financial affairs and management of the Club in recent years and to bring to task those they believe are responsible for its collapse.

"Furthermore, HMRC believes there will be an enhanced recovery of funds for creditors by pursuing those individuals who they believe are responsible.

”The consequence of the rejection of a CVA outcome is that sanctions will be applied to the Club by UEFA and that the Club will not be able to participate in Europe for three years and the new company will need the consent of the other SPL clubs to the transfer of the share in the SPL, in order for Rangers to continue playing in the SPL.

"We would like to thank the staff and supporters at Rangers for their great determination and professionalism during a very difficult period for the club. While the club will continue to face difficulties in the short term, it will survive and continue to play at Ibrox.”

Green said he was "hugely disappointed" by the development, adding: "Frankly, I do not see what benefit will be achieved by this decision. My consortium's offer for a CVA amounted to a total of £8.5m. Now that we will have to complete the purchase via the formation of a newco, the purchase price and therefore the amount available to creditors will be £5.5m.

"I can understand HMRC deciding that football clubs which do not pay their taxes need to be punished, but by effectively banning Rangers from Europe for three years all that will happen is that there will be less revenue generated by the club and consequently less money paid over to the taxman."

The Glasgow club is awaiting the outcome of the First Tier Tribunal in a tax case examining the use of an employee benefits trust to pay players and staff between 2001 and 2010. If lost, it could cost them up to £75m.

Rangers are also awaiting the outcome of a £3m tax case related to a scheme which the club used to pay players Tore Andre Flo and Ronald De Boer between 2000 and 2003.

[RFC RYAN CFC 59]

I would be happier playing in the 3rd division than playing 3 years with sanctions every year in the SPL. Also no Rangers and the SPL will sink also. If we are still in the SPL other clubs will loose thousands as the majority of our supports will be boycotting there grounds in the future. We take a good few thousand to all away games with £20 the cheapest ticket in scotland just think of the money they would loose.

[Shogun 721]

Who do you prefer(if either)? and why?

What is bad about the other team?

P.S. I know history will show that Chelsea fans will favour Rangers in general anyway but I'd be happy to know some 'neutral' views. Thread has only been made just so I can eduacate myself a little bit on the clubs.

[Tomo 21,751]

Don't know that much about them, but i always preferred Rangers, even back when i was little before i was even made aware of the Chelsea-Rangers connection.

[Shogun 721]

Can some awesome cool mod move this to 'Football banter'?

Sorry for my inconvenience, with love,

Shogun.

[Spike 12,049]

They are both pretty terrible if you ask me. Life would be much better without them. They give idiots another excuse to hate eachother and it makes things easier by having some wear green and the others wear blue.

[Predator 114]

Neutral

[manpe 10,861]

I'm not particularly fond of Scottish league, so I have no preference. As I'm non-British it's probably just natural that I don't feel the need to take sides in this matter.

[capriccioso 2,545]

Being a Catholic, I once sided with Celtic but having met some of their fans I'm revising that to "May both clubs crash and burn".

[Ollie 4,400]

I always preferred Rangers because they were blue but i liked them more after knowing about the Chelsea - Rangers relationship. I never liked Celtic because of them being catholic, i always thought i'd have to be catholic to support them lol and because they have a special relationship with QPR and Liverpool, especially Liverpool and sing YNWA bullshit.

[manpe 10,861]

they have a special relationship with QPR and Liverpool, especially Liverpool and sing YNWA bullshit.

Is that so? Fuck em then. In that case I must come out of neutrality and declare Rangers as my preferred choice.

[Shogun 721]

I always preferred Rangers because they were blue but i liked them more after knowing about the Chelsea - Rangers relationship. I never liked Celtic because of them being catholic, i always thought i'd have to be catholic to support them lol and because they have a special relationship with QPR and Liverpool, especially Liverpool and sing YNWA bullshit.

Celtic actually have a relationship with Everton not Liverpool. Both were Catholic clubs originally and Rangers and Liverpool were paired together for both being protestant clubs. you always used to see half Everton and Celtic hats years ago. Celtic were the originals to sing YNWA I believe, the fact Livepool sing it is not related.

We actually have a song which features the lyrics "to hell with Liverpool and Rangers, throw them all in the Mersey..." so yeah we have the relationship with Celtic not Rangers, though it's not a strong relationship anymore.

[Ollie 4,400]

I always noticed a Celtic - Liverpool friendship because i saw em play and both sung YNWA together with their scarves held up high. And the Kenny Dalglish factor too and in 1989 Celtic organised a benefit match to raise funds for the families affected by the Hillsborough disaster. I've always known Liverpool and Celtic to have a strong relationship so hearing they have a good relationship with Everton surprises me a bit, i do remember a Celtic - Everton friendly a few years back tho. Also there's a QPR - Celtic relationship, catholic based and stripes whatever. I don't know how it all came about, just heard bits about it.

Something on here http://www.thecelticwiki.com/page/Liverpool+FC

[Shogun 721]

I always noticed a Celtic - Liverpool friendship because i saw em play and both sung YNWA together with their scarves held up high. And the Kenny Dalglish factor too and in 1989 Celtic organised a benefit match to raise funds for the families affected by the Hillsborough disaster. I've always known Liverpool and Celtic to have a strong relationship so hearing they have a good relationship with Everton surprises me a bit, i do remember a Celtic - Everton friendly a few years back tho. Also there's a QPR - Celtic relationship, catholic based and stripes whatever. I don't know how it all came about, just heard bits about it.

Something on here http://www.theceltic...ge/Liverpool FC

I know you can't go off one thread on one forum but I think this sums it up http://www.talkceltic.net/forum/showthread.php?t=121359

[capriccioso 2,545]

What do they mean by Hun and why are we called so?

[Spike 12,049]

What do they mean by Hun and why are we called so?

As in Atilla the Hun and his people. The Huns were an Asiatic people from the Steppes in Russia. They invaded Europe and left a trail of destruction, rape and death in their path, essentially the Mongols and Timurids of the Middle/Dark Ages. In their minds they [Celtic] are the saviours of everything right and noble and stand against the evil Huns that only wish to destroy.

That is why cunts like James Connolly say that we are destroying football and they [Celtic] are the protectors of the sport. Cannons of the Holy Sepulchre, they seem to think of themselves.

I've nothing against Celtic supportes, except those with militant beliefs.

[Spike 12,049]

El Ché continues to be bastardised. El Ché was about everybody being equal in South America, I wonder how many Celtic fans could stand being equal with Rangers.

[capriccioso 2,545]

As in Atilla the Hun and his people. The Huns were an Asiatic people from the Steppes in Russia. They invaded Europe and left a trail of destruction, rape and death in their path, essentially the Mongols and Timurids of the Middle/Dark Ages. In their minds they [Celtic] are the saviours of everything right and noble and stand against the evil Huns that only wish to destroy.

That is why cunts like James Connolly say that we are destroying football and they [Celtic] are the protectors of the sport. Cannons of the Holy Sepulchre, they seem to think of themselves.

I've nothing against Celtic supportes, except those with militant beliefs.

I am aware of the Hunnic conquest of Eastern Europe and the usage of the word to describe Germans in WW1 but I didn't know how they interpreted it to describe any team that plays in blue. They really think they're some kind of crusaders?

:lol: