Superblue 6,372 Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 The general consensus outside of Chelsea is that our Champions League win was a final hurrah for the 'old guard'. The final chapter in a legendary group of players. The end of an era.In my opinion, this my fellow Chelsea fans, is just the beginning.Two poor league campaigns, and constant media hype over the age of the squad has masked the job the board have done in quietly reshaping and rebuilding our squad over the past two seasons. A lot of people have questioned when are we going to have the 'big summer' of huge spending to get this squad back on track. We haven't so far required it because we've brought both in the summer and winter transfer windows in each of the last two seasons.Ramires, David Luiz, Torres, Courtois, Mata, Romeu, Lukaku, Meireles, Cahill, De Bruyne and now Marin. In this time Sturridge and Bertrand have also been integrated to within the first team squad setup. That is 13 players, with a decent blend of youth and experience, be it on the european or domestic stage, but with the oldest being Meireles at 28.The Champions League win is huge on so many levels for so many reasons but one of the biggest from a longer term outlook is that it has provided the club with a new set of 'winners'. Players such as Lampard, Drogba and Cole had been there before, played under the most intense pressures and come through to win the trophies, but a number of players within our squad hadn't experienced this.The likes of Cahill and David Luiz have never played on such a big stage and to play so well and win will give them huge confidence as a prominent centre back pairing for many years to come. Even the likes of Ramires and Meireles who were suspended for the final played their parts massively in the pressure cooker of the Nou Camp and also helped win the FA Cup. They will feel as much a part of the success.Add to this players who were already vastly experienced at this club but still with a number of years in front of them such as Ivanovic, Mikel and amazingly after 8 years, Cech and the club has the spine of a squad that could play together for many years which has already experienced success at the highest level.Some of the older players can also still play a part over the next couple of seasons assisting the younger players in their roles to effectively take over where they have admirably left off. This summer the club can add 3-4 quality signings in the summer to add to this group of players.Compare this to if our season had fizzled out. We would be panicking at our fall from grace, thinking we need 7-8 new players but with the FFP restrictions to consider and no Champions League money. A number of the older experienced winners will have left and made it much more difficult for a new group of players who hadn't won anything together to pick things up. You only need to look at our City limped over the line to win the title to know how important experience in such situations is.With the right additions this summer, and we don't need huge amounts, the Champions League win can be the dawning of a new era at this football club, full of more success and trophies we have become accustomed to winning over the last few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 I will just comment on the title. In an endless cycle an ending of something (an era for ex.) marks a beginning another (in simple words, old evolves into new). So it may be an end of an era, while it can still be the beginning of another. One doesn't exclude the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 I will just comment on the title. In an endless cycle an ending marks a beginning (in simple words, old evolves into new). So it may be an end of an era, while it can still be the beginning of another. One doesn't exclude the other.after a long hard journey rest for a while, learn from the experience then set out again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 I will just comment on the title. In an endless cycle an ending of something (an era for ex.) marks a beginning another (in simple words, old evolves into new). So it may be an end of an era, while it can still be the beginning of another. One doesn't exclude the other.I was about to post the same thing before even reading the article Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted May 25, 2012 Author Share Posted May 25, 2012 I will just comment on the title. In an endless cycle an ending of something (an era for ex.) marks a beginning another (in simple words, old evolves into new). So it may be an end of an era, while it can still be the beginning of another. One doesn't exclude the other.Yes, I agree. My point is that people are taking the assumption that there is an end of an era from this, i.e. 2004 - 2012 winning lots of titles and this may well get as good as it can get.What I'm trying to say is the people have not appreciated the natural evolving of the squad over the last couple of seasons into a younger, fresher squad. With those players having tasted success this season with the FA Cup and more importantly the Champions League I'm saying the 2004-2012 success is only the beginning of an era which could last for many years of massive success for this football club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capriccioso 2,545 Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Nice post, you should consider adding one or two hundred more words and submitting it as an article I do agree though, it is the end of the Mourinho team. We had 9 out of 18 Mourinho signings on the teamsheet at Munich, it's over for most of them barring Bertrand, Ferreira, Cech, Mikel (and Kalou ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English Freak 456 Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Nice post, you should consider adding one or two hundred more words and submitting it as an article I do agree though, it is the end of the Mourinho team. We had 9 out of 18 Mourinho signings on the teamsheet at Munich, it's over for most of them barring Bertrand, Ferreira, Cech, Mikel (and Kalou )Kalou, Ferreira, Malouda, Essien should depart on a high. Time for change. Let's start the rebuilding process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capriccioso 2,545 Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Kalou, Ferreira, Malouda, Essien should depart on a high. Time for change. Let's start the rebuilding process. Ferreira can't/won't leave he's still got a year to run and no one's going to buy him.For the record, our CL final squad consisted of the following players, bolded were Jose signings.CechBosingwa-Cahill-Luiz-ColeMikel-LampardKalou-Mata-BertrandDrogbaBench:TurnbullEssienFerreiraMaloudaSturridgeTorresRomeu5, perhaps 6 Jose players will be staying, which is incredible, it's been 5 years since he left! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Nice post, you should consider adding one or two hundred more words and submitting it as an article I do agree though, it is the end of the Mourinho team. We had 9 out of 18 Mourinho signings on the teamsheet at Munich, it's over for most of them barring Bertrand, Ferreira, Cech, Mikel (and Kalou )9? I think there were 7. Cole, Mikel, Kalou, Drogba, Ferreira, Essien and Malouda.E: Sorry, 8.. forgot Bertrand. But I doubt he was Mourinho's signing. He was most likely another prospect signed by the board, and I think he never played under TSO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capriccioso 2,545 Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 9? I think there were 7. Cole, Mikel, Kalou, Drogba, Ferreira, Essien and Malouda.E: Sorry, 8.. forgot Bertrand. But I doubt he was Mourinho's signing.Both him and Cech were:Bertrand was signed by Chelsea in July 2005 from GillinghamČech agreed a summer move to Chelsea for £7 million, signing a five-year contract, to commence in July 2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Čech had a trial with Chelsea in 2003. It was Claudio Ranieri, then manager of Chelsea, who decided that Čech was his choice as understudy to Carlo Cudicini.Bertrand is as much Mourinho's signing as Bamford was AVB's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capriccioso 2,545 Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Ranieri never worked with him, though, which is why I consider him to be a Jose player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Ranieri never worked with him, though, which is why I consider him to be a Jose player.You stated "Jose signing", he was not signed by Jose. I'm a nitpicking fact freak. And I maintain that Bertrand also was not signed by Mourinho, so there were 7 Jose signings in the match squad, and 8 players who you can call his players (this includes Cech, not Bertrand though, he was forever a loan). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capriccioso 2,545 Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 You stated "Jose signing", he was not signed by Jose. I'm a nitpicking fact freak.Haha Well, take out Cech, it's still 8 out of 18, which is quite a figure. Who say's the man doesn't build teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,533 Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 With the departures of Kalou, Malouda, Bosingwa etc, the overall Squad Strength will improve. de bruyne, marin are better rotation options i feel but now, the emphasis must be on getting one or two quality players in. we are in the race for hazard, hulk and moura. wouldn't mind 2 of them here with ramires, marin being the other wingers. sturridge should be pushed up-front as strikermy worry in all this is the CDM position. do we still play 2 CDM's? Mikel and Lampard worked well towards the end of the season but it was too defensive and we invited pressure on to us in many games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted May 26, 2012 Author Share Posted May 26, 2012 With the departures of Kalou, Malouda, Bosingwa etc, the overall Squad Strength will improve. de bruyne, marin are better rotation options i feel but now, the emphasis must be on getting one or two quality players in. we are in the race for hazard, hulk and moura. wouldn't mind 2 of them here with ramires, marin being the other wingers. sturridge should be pushed up-front as strikermy worry in all this is the CDM position. do we still play 2 CDM's? Mikel and Lampard worked well towards the end of the season but it was too defensive and we invited pressure on to us in many gamesThe pressure was there because we had no pace further up the field if Ramires was missing. There was no outlet. Lets wait and see what we buy this summer, i'm sure we'll strengthen immensely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067 Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 With the departures of Kalou, Malouda, Bosingwa etc, the overall Squad Strength will improve. de bruyne, marin are better rotation options i feel but now, the emphasis must be on getting one or two quality players in. we are in the race for hazard, hulk and moura. wouldn't mind 2 of them here with ramires, marin being the other wingers. sturridge should be pushed up-front as strikermy worry in all this is the CDM position. do we still play 2 CDM's? Mikel and Lampard worked well towards the end of the season but it was too defensive and we invited pressure on to us in many gamesYea feel same, then if we play 4231 Ramires takes a winger spot! And everyone seems to forget that. However if we play 433( don't know how good it is for Torres) but Ramires stays midfield and winger positions played by wingers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted May 26, 2012 Author Share Posted May 26, 2012 Yea feel same, then if we play 4231 Ramires takes a winger spot! And everyone seems to forget that. However if we play 433( don't know how good it is for Torres) but Ramires stays midfield and winger positions played by wingers.To get the best out of Mata, who at this current time is our most natural creative player, we must play 4-2-3-1 to play him centrally. He's wasted on the wings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067 Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 To get the best out of Mata, who at this current time is our most natural creative player, we must play 4-2-3-1 to play him centrally. He's wasted on the wings.We can play 33 and have him up more centrally. Like this ST. LW RW CAM B2B DMLB. -CB-CB- RW don't like to bring it up but arsenal play have that formation in FIFA. CAM up top with 2 mids behind for b2b and dm roles. However I do believe 4232 will stay only because Torres doesn't seem to thrive in 433. Now it could have been our players at time but still, he scored more during 4231. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted May 26, 2012 Author Share Posted May 26, 2012 We can play 33 and have him up more centrally. Like this ST. LW RW CAM B2B DMLB. -CB-CB- RWdon't like to bring it up but arsenal play have that formation in FIFA. CAM up top with 2 mids behind for b2b and dm roles. However I do believe 4232 will stay only because Torres doesn't seem to thrive in 433. Now it could have been our players at time but still, he scored more during 4231.This isn't FIFA. We have turned our season around and won the FA Cup and Champions League playing 4-2-3-1, so why change this? All we need is at least one world class wide player and we will look a much stronger team with this formation.People have questioned if we have become too predictable having played a rigid 4-3-3 for so long, and this subtle change has worked. Mata will thrive even more next year with a full season under his belt IMO, and Torres needs the support to get the best out of him. With three attacking players behind him it provides more options for the opposition to have to pick up affording him greater space and less attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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