David Luiz

[The Skipper 20,609]

Shaw changed his Twitter account to LukeShaw3 if that means anything.

Hazard will likely be our number 10.

It's always been 3 pal, just United fans making stuff up again on Twitter.

[Barbara 15,149]

Why, because it's obscenely ignorant? I must have missed the memo that said all people who don't condone to the majority view are idiots. I have never once slagged off Luiz as a player. That's what is frustrating about him, he has all the technical ability in the world, but he's a walking brainfart of a defender.

The Bushman reference is equally ignorant/rude IMO.

Come now, Lex. Where was it ignorant? I said I couldn't disagree more with your opinion and I thought it was nonsense to say he isn't worth 15m when he's sold for nearly 50m. Barcelona were willing to pay around 35 in the last window...

Where is the ignorance? Can't someone say they disagree massively with someone else? Does it make people ignorant?

As for the bushman note it was just a joke, that I expected you to take lightly as it was supposed to. Sorry if you feel so offended by 3 lines where I didn't disrespect you or your opinion for one moment, just stated how I disagree and how the facts show that saying he isn't worth 15m when he's sold for 50m makes no sense...

I don't know if you realized you wrote something that made nonsense and became sensitive about the reactions or if only the latter, but I was absolutely respectful in my post to you except for one light comment that was supposed to be that, light comment, that you YOURSELF have made before. Your reaction though at least to my post seems out of proportion, but lesson learned. Two of them actually... and I'm rather disappointed.

***Brazilian ALERT***

Come on now... Lets not get carried away here. David Luiz has mental lapses at least 3-4 times a game and hasn't improved in 3yrs at the club. Best partnership in the world?? You have got to be out of your mind!

Maybe you never had a chance to watch them in Brazil... Silva make up for everything that Luiz lacks and Luiz compliments Silva style perfectly. They have excellent chemistry and understanding and that is an engine for a defense to work well.

Time will prove if I'm just being a Brazilian worshiping come countrymen (which if you knew me well you would know I don't automatically do. I criticize Ramires and a other players in the NT that I don't rate at all, just because I love Oscar, Willian and Luiz it doesn't mean I love all Brazilian players out there, I'm quite critical of many, many, many of them and I can list you at least 10 playing in big clubs in Europe now that I wouldn't want here) or if I'm just someone who's watched those guys playing together for Brazil and saw just how solid they are...

Brazilians I don't rate or rate as overrated cunts that I don't want here:

Dani Alves - huge cunt, passed his prime

Dante - bad defender

Hulk - not Chelsea level, lack technique

Henrique - overrated defender by Felipão

Lucas Moura - overrated brainless kid that has a lot of talent, but seems to have an empty space between his ears when it comes to football vision

Lucas Leiva - belongs to small clubs such as Liverpool

Maxwell - don't rate him as a great FB at all (he's not bad like Dante, for example) and I don't know why he's there and Filipe Luis isn't...

Maicon - although I absolutely love this guy, one of my fave Brazilian players ever, he's way passed his prime

That's eight only looking at the 30-player squad for NT. If I ignored NT and looked at the players in top teams that aren't in the NT the list would probably multiply by 3.

But it's been nice to have a chance for you to know me better. Maybe next time you won't jump to conclusions... not that it'd make any difference to me if you do or don't.

[YouNameIt 1,511]

Case in point. I won't waste my time debating with you. You have your opinion and I have mine, or am I not allowed to have mine because I disagree with you? I look at the fact Spurs signed Vertonghen for £10 million and that we spent £21 million on Luiz and can do nothing more than sigh.

Also, you seem to be confusing "facts" with your opinion. Good day to you.

Vertongen? LMAO. And why do you sigh when we bought luiz for 21m and sold him for 50? Sounds like perfect business in my ears.

You are allowed to have any opinion. When havet I ever said otherwise? Its just that I find it VERY stupid to say luiz isnt worth more than 15 and that you think luiz was bad business.

That is your opinion and I respect it but I still find it stuipid.

[sdrcfc 461]

It's always been 3 pal, just United fans making stuff up again on Twitter.

It's 23 on his instagram account, though.

[bushman 2,043]

Come now, Lex. Where was it ignorant? I said I couldn't disagree more with your opinion and I thought it was nonsense to say he isn't worth 15m when he's sold for nearly 50m. Barcelona were willing to pay around 35 in the last window...

Where is the ignorance? Can't someone say they disagree massively with someone else? Does it make people ignorant?

As for the bushman note it was just a joke, that I expected you to take lightly as it was supposed to. Sorry if you feel so offended by 3 lines where I didn't disrespect you or your opinion for one moment, just stated how I disagree and how the facts show that saying he isn't worth 15m when he's sold for 50m makes no sense...

I don't know if you realized you wrote something that made nonsense and became sensitive about the reactions or if only the latter, but I was absolutely respectful in my post to you except for one light comment that was supposed to be that, light comment, that you YOURSELF have made before. Your reaction though at least to my post seems out of proportion, but lesson learned. Two of them actually... and I'm rather disappointed.

Maybe you never had a chance to watch them in Brazil... Silva make up for everything that Luiz lacks and Luiz compliments Silva style perfectly. They have excellent chemistry and understanding and that is an engine for a defense to work well.

Time will prove if I'm just being a Brazilian worshiping come countrymen (which if you knew me well you would know I don't automatically do. I criticize Ramires and a other players in the NT that I don't rate at all, just because I love Oscar, Willian and Luiz it doesn't mean I love all Brazilian players out there, I'm quite critical of many, many, many of them and I can list you at least 10 playing in big clubs in Europe now that I wouldn't want here) or if I'm just someone who's watched those guys playing together for Brazil and saw just how solid they are...

Brazilians I don't rate or rate as overrated cunts that I don't want here:

Dani Alves - huge cunt, passed his prime

Dante - bad defender

Hulk - not Chelsea level, lack technique

Henrique - overrated defender by Felipão

Lucas Moura - overrated brainless kid that has a lot of talent, but seems to have an empty space between his ears when it comes to football vision

Lucas Leiva - belongs to small clubs such as Liverpool

Maxwell - don't rate him as a great FB at all (he's not bad like Dante, for example) and I don't know why he's there and Filipe Luis isn't...

Maicon - although I absolutely love this guy, one of my fave Brazilian players ever, he's way passed his prime

That's eight only looking at the 30-player squad for NT. If I ignored NT and looked at the players in top teams that aren't in the NT the list would probably multiply by 3.

But it's been nice to have a chance for you to know me better. Maybe next time you won't jump to conclusions... not that it'd make any difference to me if you do or don't.

Do I make fun of your litany?

Just because I think Luiz was a clown dressed in Chelsea´s shirt, you used my name?

[robsblubot 3,595]

Barbara hits the nail on the head.

I read somewhere that Thiago Silva's perfect reading of the game makes David Luiz look good. Well, that's absolutely right!

David Luiz also makes Thiago Silva look good by being able to actually play football once they regain possession. Thiago Silva is short for a defender, only decent aerial ability, very pedestrian and unimaginative on the ball. If you watch Brazil play you will notice that Thiago never carries the ball forward, it's always Luiz.

Thiago Silva and David Luiz make a perfect pairing in my book because they complement each other very well. The unit has no flaws even if individually they do.

Oh well he's gone - move on.

Back to strategy, it is very strange to me that Jose could not did not want to use a player like Luiz. Jose's last CL win included the DL in his team, which was Lucio (similar deficiencies too). He would be the one carrying the football out of defense. I haven't seen Zouma play, but from what I hear he isn't that player either.

Take our CBs for instance: they are essentially the same player x 2. They lack tremendously in certain areas, especially the ones related to going forward: pace (high defense line), proactive defending, technique, and vision. I know that the typical English view is that defenders defend, but that's wrong. The same way CAMs and strikers have to defend, defenders have to create too.

I am actually very concerned that I am still going to see a lot of Matic dropping way back to receive a short pass from our defense - one of the drawbacks of employing a deep defense line. Those are precious seconds that the weaker sides playing @the bridge will gladly take.

[bushman 2,043]

How about if Jose uses the 50m & buys a new midfielder?

It will easy your concerns & just might shorten your postings?

[lionsden 4,689]

Case in point. I won't waste my time debating with you. You have your opinion and I have mine, or am I not allowed to have mine because I disagree with you? I look at the fact Spurs signed Vertonghen for £10 million and that we spent £21 million on Luiz and can do nothing more than sigh.

Also, you seem to be confusing "facts" with your opinion. Good day to you.

By far the most depressing one is Roma signing Benatia for €13.5m but in the end we got £50m for him so can't really complain.

[Korea 734]

Barbara hits the nail on the head.

I read somewhere that Thiago Silva's perfect reading of the game makes David Luiz look good. Well, that's absolutely right!

David Luiz also makes Thiago Silva look good by being able to actually play football once they regain possession. Thiago Silva is short for a defender, only decent aerial ability, very pedestrian and unimaginative on the ball. If you watch Brazil play you will notice that Thiago never carries the ball forward, it's always Luiz.

Thiago Silva and David Luiz make a perfect pairing in my book because they complement each other very well. The unit has no flaws even if individually they do.

Oh well he's gone - move on.

Back to strategy, it is very strange to me that Jose could not did not want to use a player like Luiz. Jose's last CL win included the DL in his team, which was Lucio (similar deficiencies too). He would be the one carrying the football out of defense. I haven't seen Zouma play, but from what I hear he isn't that player either.

Take our CBs for instance: they are essentially the same player x 2. They lack tremendously in certain areas, especially the ones related to going forward: pace (high defense line), proactive defending, technique, and vision. I know that the typical English view is that defenders defend, but that's wrong. The same way CAMs and strikers have to defend, defenders have to create too.

I am actually very concerned that I am still going to see a lot of Matic dropping way back to receive a short pass from our defense - one of the drawbacks of employing a deep defense line. Those are precious seconds that the weaker sides playing @the bridge will gladly take.

I disagree.

Silva is better than Luiz on the ball and better off the ball. Silva's primary weakness at times is aerial battles.

Whenever, I see both of them paired up, Luiz plays like JT/Cahill and Silva plays like Luiz (as the agressor). From what I recall, Silva was a striker in youth level, however, became a defender by default.

[Korea 734]

Too me, losing Mata to United wasn't a big deal because mata wont be featured there or Spain.

However, losing Luiz is kind of different. Luiz might have a chance to rise up to world's best status with Silva/PSG and Luiz is only 27 (very young in terms of a CB).

[iseah100 5,612]

Too me, losing Mata to United wasn't a big deal because mata wont be featured there or Spain.

However, losing Luiz is kind of different. Luiz might have a chance to rise up to world's best status with Silva/PSG and Luiz is only 27 (very young in terms of a CB).

Luiz was never gonna reach that level.with Chelsea.

[Korea 734]

Luiz was never gonna reach that level.with Chelsea.

With Mourinho, probably not...

However, under a different system he could.

Similar to ramos and Pepe this season. Those 2 had their best seasons in years.

[iseah100 5,612]

With Mourinho, probably not...

However, under a different system he could.

Similar to ramos and Pepe this season. Those 2 had their best seasons in years.

Unfortunately. We wouldn't use the correct system for him, so £50m was an offer we couldn't turn down. I hope he can be great at PSG.

[zolayes 14,489]

perhaps to get the best out of every player a coach needs to be " The Extra Special One "

[robsblubot 3,595]

I disagree.

Silva is better than Luiz on the ball and better off the ball. Silva's primary weakness at times is aerial battles.

Whenever, I see both of them paired up, Luiz plays like JT/Cahill and Silva plays like Luiz (as the agressor). From what I recall, Silva was a striker in youth level, however, became a defender by default.

Agree to disagree then, because for me the gap between the two players in terms of technique is immense. Really don't think much of Thiago Silva aside from his reading of the game - obviously pretty important skill for a defender.

I think you need to watch Brazil more because David Luiz is the player designated to carry the football forward by Scolari, which is the obvious choice for pundits and fans alike. Thiago Silva has no long ball to speak of, while Luiz has assisted Neymar and others a number of times. His passing has been pretty impressive for Brazil. They've both been very impressive for Brazil - best CB pairing I've seen in many years; too bad the rest of the team isn't at the same level.

Interestingly, we haven't really heard whether PSG will employ him as a CB, CB/CM, or CM. People just assume he's going to be employed as a defender.

Zolayes,

Yup Scolari and Benitez are also special ones...

Besides, if Jose did not get the best of DL and sold him for 50m imagine if he had... Watch out Bale!

We will see who was right in the next few years.