pHaRaOn 2,131 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 He bungled up big time there, as he said afterwards, but it didn't help that the fans were on his case before the equalizer.The man scored one of the good penalties in our CL final, FFS...and a crucial one at that, right after Mata's was saved. He did NOT deserve those boos, even if he tried to play crappy mind games before the match.He wasn't booed from the start, so it's have nothing common with his words before the game. He was booed after few provocations on the pitch. stroey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1988 1,348 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Respect is gone, same category is Lampard now for me, not because he celebrated but due to the play acting during the games, trying to get players sent off and I find it hard to believe if a Chelsea player elbowed someone like that then there would not be a retrospective ban.. pHaRaOn and stroey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Yeah but people forget about that.We would have been clapping like madmen and call him legend if he had done that for our team yesterday.So that's why I can't really hate the guy.He has heart something Fabregas don't.I prefer jerks then nice guys in this sport.Harsh to compare Luiz with Fabregas or anyone else for that matter. Every player is different and sometimes, some players channel their passion in a more aggressive manner. Just Fabregas isn't like Luiz, doesn't mean he doesn't have the heart. stroey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,509 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Harsh to compare Luiz with Fabregas or anyone else for that matter. Every player is different and sometimes, some players channel their passion in a more aggressive manner. Just Fabregas isn't like Luiz, doesn't mean he doesn't have the heart.Luiz's passion for the game is what separates him from so many other playersI'm sure Fabregas does have heart but as a former Arsenal and Barca player, I doubt he'll ever show that at Chelsea Fernando 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 The passion and energy luiz showed was exactly what we used to have in the big games last season. Sad to see us lose it The Chels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1988 1,348 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Agree we look like we lacked passion but that isn't solely down to Luiz nor would I trade Zouma for Luiz at this point. Are people really on that bandwagon? We sold Luiz for a reason, I lost count of how many times I sat there watching the game peeping through my fingers as they were planted firmly on my face whenever Luiz tried to dribble out of the box or control it with a striker half a yard from him. Yeah it worked more often than not but we could not COUNT on him anymore, I would of loved to have kept him in midfield if he could become more disciplined as I thought he was brilliant there but Luiz and disciplined don't go together do they?Great player for us, made far too many mistakes, sold for great profit, played a good game against us, will bet anyone that he cocks up in the next round(s) for PSG. iseah100 and BlueLion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 The passion and energy luiz showed was exactly what we used to have in the big games last season. Sad to see us lose itThere is only a limited extent that passion and energy can make up for technical and psychological shortcomings, however. Mourinho didn't see him as a good enough defender (I agree), and used him as a square peg in a round hole (to some success, I accept) in defensive midfield to cover for the cup-tied Matic last season. In essence we sold a player who was our third-choice centre-back and second-choice sitting midfielder for €50 million. He'll have the odd good game here and there but other than that he is strictly average. For every performance such as Wednesday (which I don't even think was that good, he was more interested in getting Costa sent off than trying to help him team, and his admittedly very good goal papered over the cracks of a typical Luiz performance where he was more concerned in his 30 yard passes into the channels than his defensive covering), he has a game such as the 7-1 against Germany. He's lucky he has the best defender in Ligue Un and arguably Europe by his side to help bail him out at times. I could name a dozen defenders who have had better seasons than David in France this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Agree we look like we lacked passion but that isn't solely down to Luiz nor would I trade Zouma for Luiz at this point. Are people really on that bandwagon? We sold Luiz for a reason, I lost count of how many times I sat there watching the game peeping through my fingers as they were planted firmly on my face whenever Luiz tried to dribble out of the box or control it with a striker half a yard from him. Yeah it worked more often than not but we could not COUNT on him anymore, I would of loved to have kept him in midfield if he could become more disciplined as I thought he was brilliant there but Luiz and disciplined don't go together do they?Great player for us, made far too many mistakes, sold for great profit, played a good game against us, will bet anyone that he cocks up in the next round(s) for PSG.I think we all agree with this but also said that this guy gave everything in big important games for us. He was like Drogba fired up for big occasion and that is one thing most of us said we would miss from him. And yes I missed that when I saw him acting like that instead of a Fabregas walking the pitch after the first half.... kellzfresh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stroey 2,525 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 No one booed him from the beginning, he did it himself. He provoked Diego all the time, elbowed him, and other dirty tricks. He played mind games before and after the game, ''Jose is not special'', ''I know how he will play'', ''Chelsea sold me for too cheap''. I don't even know why he apologized, the way he celebrated like it was the WC winner, that overreacting was disgusting. It's just like saying ''I'm sorry for banging your wife, but I was very emotional and horny at the moment''I liked and missed the geezer but that's past tense now, he's not a traitor but just an uber clown without respect. iseah100 and BlueLion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 No one booed him from the beginning, he did it himself. He provoked Diego all the time, elbowed him, and other dirty tricks. He played mind games before and after the game, ''Jose is not special'', ''I know how he will play'', ''Chelsea sold me for too cheap''. I don't even know why he apologized, the way he celebrated like it was the WC winner, that overreacting was disgusting. It's just like saying ''I'm sorry for banging your wife, but I was very emotional and horny at the moment''I liked and missed the geezer but that's past tense now, he's not a traitor but just an uber clown without respect. At least he was right about Mourinho. Because I also seen nothing special in these two seasons. And the team played like most people thought. Like from the moment Ramires got the yellow card I was like take him out because he was going to do something reckless. Ramires knew this and you saw how he lower his play. He was a passenger all of second. But mourinho decide to change Matic over zouma first.... I was like come on men go for the kill!Mourinho over and over continues to show his conservative approach for such games, instead of being more killer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stroey 2,525 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 At least he was right about Mourinho.Because I also seen nothing special in these two seasons.And the team played like most people thought.Like from the moment Ramires got the yellow card I was like take him out because he was going to do something reckless.Ramires knew this and you saw how he lower his play. He was a passenger all of second.But mourinho decide to change Matic over zouma first....I was like come on men go for the kill!Mourinho over and over continues to show his conservative approach for such games, instead of being more killer.Think Matic was not 100%, normally he'd have subbed Zouma for Ramires I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 At least he was right about Mourinho. Because I also seen nothing special in these two seasons. And the team played like most people thought. Like from the moment Ramires got the yellow card I was like take him out because he was going to do something reckless. Ramires knew this and you saw how he lower his play. He was a passenger all of second. But mourinho decide to change Matic over zouma first.... I was like come on men go for the kill!Mourinho over and over continues to show his conservative approach for such games, instead of being more killer.Nothing special? We're on pace to win the PL. Did you think the quadruple was the your expectation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Nothing special? We're on pace to win the PL. Did you think the quadruple was the your expectation?Pellegrini did the same last season. Nothing special about pellegrini either imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Pellegrini did the same last season. Nothing special about pellegrini either imo.Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 There is only a limited extent that passion and energy can make up for technical and psychological shortcomings, however. Mourinho didn't see him as a good enough defender (I agree), and used him as a square peg in a round hole (to some success, I accept) in defensive midfield to cover for the cup-tied Matic last season. In essence we sold a player who was our third-choice centre-back and second-choice sitting midfielder for 50 million. He'll have the odd good game here and there but other than that he is strictly average. For every performance such as Wednesday (which I don't even think was that good, he was more interested in getting Costa sent off than trying to help him team, and his admittedly very good goal papered over the cracks of a typical Luiz performance where he was more concerned in his 30 yard passes into the channels than his defensive covering), he has a game such as the 7-1 against Germany. He's lucky he has the best defender in Ligue Un and arguably Europe by his side to help bail him out at times. I could name a dozen defenders who have had better seasons than David in France this season. thoight he was great! Scored a crucial goal out of nowhere and was under far more pressure than silva was later (tired players). Opinions are opinions - ppl value different things in players.Though there is something factually incorrect in your post: matic joined jan 14 so luiz was the dm playing until then AND played alongside matic afterwards, again, in the tough matches. Our record in those games last season was almost perfect (better than this).I was talking to a colleague before the game and told him: out of psg players there was one in particular I did not want to have a good game, but he did. These moments define the great players not step overs or hitting row Z. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Watch as psg gets porto and advance...If a shit manager like Blanc can win the champs league..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Watch as psg gets porto and advance...If a shit manager like Blanc can win the champs league.....Porto is very good. Their midfield can go head to head with PSG's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid Angel 2,130 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 I don't mind him celebrating the goal, after all it was a very emotional goal at the end of the game and anybody would have done it. You can't criticize him for what he did on the pitch, he did that in Chelsea too and at the end of the story whatever happens on the pitch stays on the pitch. He has that character about him that sets him aside from every other player. Huge passion, a natural-born winner. In fact, despite him being 27 years old, I believe he is the most talented defender in the world and would be one of the best if he was consistent enough and didn't make those silly mistakes every once in a while. The world cup made him look like a shit player to all football fans - including the ones on TC - but we forgot he was great for us in his last season and in 2012/13. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Flash 1,144 Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 I used to love him but he was unbelievable in the two games, the first he was constantly antagonising our players, he wiped the spray as moved it for their free kick. In the second game at half time he pushed branislav badly in the tunnel for no reason and was desperately trying to get Diego sent off. Really appalled at him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ainsley Harriott 2,732 Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Porto is very good. Their midfield can go head to head with PSG's.Lol wtf.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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