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Trump will manage to deport at most 5-6 thousand Mexicans from those who pick up oranges.
Also some unrelated people he does n't like for alleged "unamerican activities".

In the field of economics the proverbial mottled goat will laugh.
He will save the Americans from inflation by as much as Varoufakis made the international markets "dance to the tune of the tambourine".

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Putin advises Trump:

https://www.ertnews.gr/eidiseis/diethni/i-proti-omilia-tou-poutin-meta-ti-niki-tramp-diamorfonetai-mia-nea-pagkosmia-taksi/

Mr. Starmer, oeo ?

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DONALD TRUMP POETRY

οι σύμμαχοι οι Ρώσοι
μ' απόφαση κινούν
και εις τα σύνορα των
ποτέ δεν σταματούν

dasvadania tavaric

Edited November 8 by cosmicway

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6 hours ago, Vesper said:

Democracy Derailed: Trump’s Triumph Signals a Dark New Era

Trump returns with full power, leaving Democrats and half the nation reeling as America faces an unprecedented political upheaval.

https://www.socialeurope.eu/democracy-derailed-trumps-triumph-signals-a-dark-new-era

 

When Donald Trump was first elected president in 2016, the result stunned the nation, its political elites and even Trump himself, who hadn’t really expected to win. Fear and anger swept the ranks of liberals and moderates, who hadn’t reckoned on this demagogic, bigoted outsider actually winning state power. Could any conceivable outcome be worse?

Well, yes. This year’s outcome is decidedly worse. For one thing, Trump is now a known quantity to virtually every American and one who, according to the exit polls, is still in negative territory when it comes to his approval rating. The campaign he just waged was more vituperative, more reliant on racist and misogynist slander and big lies than the ones he’d waged in 2016 and 2020. Yet despite all that, when all the votes are tallied, he will probably emerge as the victor not only in the Electoral College but also, as was not the case in the last two elections, in the popular vote.

And this time around, the Trump tide has also swept out the Democrats’ majority in the Senate, which means that Trump will be able to appoint any cabinet and agency heads and federal judges he desires, since these confirmations, by virtue of Senate rules, require a simple majority rather than the supermajorities that are needed to pass legislation. When all the votes are counted, Republicans may also be able to cling to their narrow majority in the House, which will effectively give Trump complete carte blanche to dismantle laws and regulations that ensure public health, mitigate climate change, provide some oversight to financial markets, and secure free and fair elections.

Trump’s gains in the electorate came chiefly among working-class voters, who, as in many European nations, have moved rightward as the transformation from an industrial economy to an information economy has diminished their economic prospects and political clout. Like many centre-left parties, the Democratic base now centres on college-educated and, hence, more prosperous voters. Exit polls showed Trump narrowly winning among voters whose yearly family incomes were under $100,000, with Harris narrowly carrying those voters with family incomes higher than that.

Ironically, Biden’s presidency was the first Democratic presidency since Lyndon Johnson’s to put working-class interests at the centre of its economic programme, bringing about a historic increase in factory construction and clearly siding with unions in their disputes with management. But Biden, hobbled by declining health, seldom appeared in public to make the case for his policies, and his foremost macroeconomic achievement – providing an economic stimulus so massive that it brought about the swiftest economic recovery that any nation experienced following the plunge that came with the COVID pandemic – went all but unnoticed. Voters tend to be oblivious to policies that keep things, even bad things, from happening. What the public most certainly noticed, however, were the high prices that were partly a byproduct of running such a hot economy but were more the consequence of dysfunctional global supply chains and such geopolitical disruptions as Russia’s war on Ukraine.

And so the Biden-Harris Administration went the way of numerous regimes that had the misfortune to govern during a global wave of price increases. But that only begins to address the problems that the Democratic Party faces. A factor that clearly underlies its steadily weakening posture among working-class voters is the nearly complete deunionisation of that working-class. Today’s blue-and-pink collar workers had grandfathers who were able to support their families by virtue of their union wages and benefits. Today, with a bare 6 per cent of private-sector workers enrolled in unions, workers’ ability to bargain and to wield political clout has largely disappeared. Absent any sense of actual agency, many become receptive to a demagogue like Trump, who vows to deport millions of immigrants and argues that that policy will somehow enable them to better their lot.

Just as the exit polls revealed how decisive a role class played in the Republicans’ victory, they also revealed the decisive role of gender. Among white voters, the gap in Trump support between white men and white women was seven percentage points. Among Black voters, it was 14 percentage points, and among Latinos, it was 16 percentage points. While immigrants were the chief target of Trump’s attacks, the “feminised” Democratic Party, personified by Harris, was his second target of choice. Trump’s ground game was nowhere near as extensive as Harris’s, but its choice of turnout targets – working-class young men of all races, who are generally the group least likely to vote – was also reflected in the violence of Trump’s speech. Like all political coalitions, the MAGA movement is made up of a collection of disparate groups, from cryptocurrency speculators to Christian evangelicals, but at its core, it’s a movement of precarious manhood, which is why Trump sought to embody and surround himself with presumable examples of hypermasculinity (like the actors who play professional wrestlers).

Trump’s victories not only plunge the Democrats into playing defence for (at best) the next several years, but also compel them to go through a wrenching period of redefinition and recomposition. I suspect a number of the party’s social concerns – support for immigrants, some restrictions on gun ownership and the like – will be de-emphasised if not altogether dumped for some time to come. I don’t believe, however, that the party will once again embrace the neoliberal policies of free global trade and deregulation of markets that characterised the Carter, Clinton and Obama presidencies and played a decisive, decades-long role in workers abandoning their Democratic voting habits. Harris did not lose because she supported using the government’s power to lower the price of prescription drugs; indeed, the exit polls showed the public’s preference for such governmental interventions over the alternative of a more laissez-faire economics.

That said, the election leaves American liberals, progressives, Democrats – effectively, half of the nation and more than half of its political elites – stunned, disheartened, and just beginning to grope for ways out of the cave into which the nation has plunged. I suspect the party will find its new leaders chiefly among Democratic governors, as they can enact popular progressive policies in their states, even as Congressional Democrats will find themselves unable to do anything other than mounting rhetorical opposition to the neo-fascists who will now control the federal government.

Agree with most there. 

I suppose there is the distinction between the rhetoric that he spouts and the actions -he is an ex TV reality presenter at heart- ratings etc however the difference is this time he controls so many aspects of power. 

Ironically his strongest opposition could come from Republicans, ones hes insulted, John Bolton etc. Things could well get dark for many after January and the inauguration.

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Maccabi Tel Aviv RW zio away fans chant anti-Arab/anti-Muslim chants throughout the the match at Ajax

then they are shocked when they are attacked after the match

and of course they instantly start screaming........

It's all antisemitism!

We did nothing wrong!

We are 100 per cent the victims!

plus

Queue up the goyim zionist bootlicker (many, if not all, of them ultra racist anti-Arab/anti-Muslim haters like Geert Wilders, etc etc) politicians joining in the 'fuck the arabs, fuck the muslims, it is all antisemitism and the jews did nothing wrong' crew

 

Edited November 8 by Vesper

[Fulham Broadway 16,920]

24 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Maccabi Tel Aviv RW zio away fans chant anti-Arab/anti-Muslim chants throughout the the match at Ajax

then they are shocked when they are attacked after the match

and of course they instantly start screaming........

It's all antisemitism!

We did nothing wrong!

We are 100 per cent the victims!

plus

Queue up the goyim zionist bootlicker (many, if not all, of them ultra racist anti-Arab/anti-Muslim haters like Geert Wilders, etc etc) politicians joining in the 'fuck the arabs, fuck the muslims, it is all antisemitism and the jews did nothing wrong' crew

 

Looks like they started it then play the victim

 

[cosmicway 1,333]

31 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Maccabi Tel Aviv RW zio away fans chant anti-Arab/anti-Muslim chants throughout the the match at Ajax

then they are shocked when they are attacked after the match

and of course they instantly start screaming........

It's all antisemitism!

We did nothing wrong!

We are 100 per cent the victims!

plus

Queue up the goyim zionist bootlicker (many, if not all, of them ultra racist anti-Arab/anti-Muslim haters like Geert Wilders, etc etc) politicians joining in the 'fuck the arabs, fuck the muslims, it is all antisemitism and the jews did nothing wrong' crew

 

Neither would allow the opportunity slip.
In the college halls where I used to stay there was an American Jew and an Egyptian.
The American was doing PhD in biology, the Egyptian in Electrical engineering.
So the American places in the common hall a tourist poster of Tel Aviv.
Next the Egyptian moves in grabs it and tears it to pieces infront of everybody.
The police sent a seventy year old policeman to keep the peace.
Near us was London's strongest police station, Limehouse, with the dogs section.
That was during Yom Kipur war days.
 

Edited November 8 by cosmicway

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9 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Looks like they started it then play the victim

 

it is the core of the RW zio playbook

 

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What does Donald Trump's election win mean for Sweden?

A weakened economy, interest cut delays, continued struggles for the Swedish krona and potential security issues are the impacts Sweden could feel as a result of Donald Trump’s US presidential election victory.

https://www.thelocal.se/20241106/what-does-donald-trumps-election-win-mean-for-sweden

Donald Trump secured an election victory on Wednesday morning Swedish time after it was confirmed he had received more than the 270 electoral votes required to win the US Presidential Election. 

While Sweden and the US are separated by the Atlantic Ocean and over 7,000 kilometres, Trump’s victory could have major implications for life in Sweden.

 

What exactly has he promised?

“Trump is an advocate of large tax cuts, high tariffs (especially against China), large-scale deportations of undocumented immigrants, a rollback of environmental legislation, and much more,” economist Glenn Nielsen from Swedbank wrote in a statement on Wednesday afternoon.

Trump has promised between 10 and 20 percent tariffs on imports from all countries, including Sweden, and specifically a 60 or even 100 percent tariff on imports from China. He also withdrew the US from the Paris agreement last time he was president, so it is not unlikely that he does so again.

“Of course, the discussion of the US’ role in NATO and support to Ukraine is also especially important,” Nielsen said.

It’s by no means a given that he will deliver on all of his election promises, he added.

“That being said, it’s hard to know exactly what his administration will do in reality.”

How could Trump’s economic policy in the US affect Sweden?

In a report written by Nielsen alongside Anders Eklöf, chief currency strategist at Swedbank, the two predict that Trump’s policies will lead to “inflationary pressures in the US and that, therefore, interest rates will be higher”.

“Higher inflation affects the Fed’s [American Central Bank’s] interest rates. And that will spill over to Europe,” Robert Boije, chief economist at state-owned bank SBAB told the TT newswire. 

This could mean that inflation starts to rise again in Europe and in Sweden, slowing down the rate at which the Swedish central bank, the Riksbank, can lower interest rates here.

Trump’s victory has also improved the value of the dollar and weakened the krona even more, according to SEB chief economist Jens Magnusson in a comment to TT, which, he added, is bad news for people hoping to see lower interest rates. 

The Swedish central bank, the Riksbank, is expected to lower interest rates at its next rate announcement on Thursday, with Riksbank chief Erik Thedéen hinting in September that a double cut could be likely either at this meeting in November or at the final meeting this year in December.

Magnusson did not believe the US election result would change the Riksbank's decision to lower rates, although he did describe it as a “caveat”.

What about tariffs?

Tariffs would make it much more expensive to sell to the USA,” former trade commissioner Cecilia Malmström told SVT in its Sunday agenda programme ahead of the election.

“If he really did implement all of this, it would bring tariff levels back to a level we saw under the Great Depression,” author and economist Klas Eklund agreed.

In particular, Eklund told the broadcaster, it could affect Swedish industries which export a lot of products to the US, like the vehicle and medical industries.

“No one, as far as I’m aware, has made any sort of calculation which suggests anything good about this. The question is how many degrees of hell it will be.”

A possible trade war between China and the US could have especially negative effects in Sweden, which Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson referred to in a press conference held after the results of the election became clear on Wednesday morning.

“That risk means a great deal for a country like Sweden which is extremely reliant on export and trade,” he said.

"We see the risks [of a Trump administration] and have planned for them," he added.

Trump might be less willing to support Ukraine. What does that mean for Sweden?

Kristersson also warned that the Trump administration may cut support to Ukraine, an issue Kristersson said was more important than any other.

“There is no issue which has the same existential importance for countries in our part of the world than Ukraine,” he said, while adding that continuing Swedish military support to Ukraine would “improve our relation with the USA.”

“The more we act ourselves, the stronger our position will be when we ask for, demand, hope for continued strong transatlantic support for Ukraine,” he said.

What about environmental legislation?

Kristersson agreed that a rollback of environmental legislation is a risk under Trump’s leadership, although Sweden’s climate minister Romina Pourmokhtari believes that the EU could step forward to plug the gap left by the US.

“The US is one of the countries with the largest emissions worldwide,” she told a press conference ahead of the UN’s top climate meeting COP29 in Azerbaijan next week. “There would need to be some very serious changes before the US enters the match.”

“If it’s the case that they pull back, then others need to come forward to fill that space,” she added. “If there’s a setback, I’m convinced that the EU can take greater leadership in these matters and fill the space needed in climate policy, not least in climate negotiations.”

[cosmicway 1,333]

8 minutes ago, Vesper said:

What does Donald Trump's election win mean for Sweden?

A weakened economy, interest cut delays, continued struggles for the Swedish krona and potential security issues are the impacts Sweden could feel as a result of Donald Trump’s US presidential election victory.

https://www.thelocal.se/20241106/what-does-donald-trumps-election-win-mean-for-sweden

Donald Trump secured an election victory on Wednesday morning Swedish time after it was confirmed he had received more than the 270 electoral votes required to win the US Presidential Election. 

While Sweden and the US are separated by the Atlantic Ocean and over 7,000 kilometres, Trump’s victory could have major implications for life in Sweden.

 

What exactly has he promised?

“Trump is an advocate of large tax cuts, high tariffs (especially against China), large-scale deportations of undocumented immigrants, a rollback of environmental legislation, and much more,” economist Glenn Nielsen from Swedbank wrote in a statement on Wednesday afternoon.

Trump has promised between 10 and 20 percent tariffs on imports from all countries, including Sweden, and specifically a 60 or even 100 percent tariff on imports from China. He also withdrew the US from the Paris agreement last time he was president, so it is not unlikely that he does so again.

“Of course, the discussion of the US’ role in NATO and support to Ukraine is also especially important,” Nielsen said.

It’s by no means a given that he will deliver on all of his election promises, he added.

“That being said, it’s hard to know exactly what his administration will do in reality.”

How could Trump’s economic policy in the US affect Sweden?

In a report written by Nielsen alongside Anders Eklöf, chief currency strategist at Swedbank, the two predict that Trump’s policies will lead to “inflationary pressures in the US and that, therefore, interest rates will be higher”.

“Higher inflation affects the Fed’s [American Central Bank’s] interest rates. And that will spill over to Europe,” Robert Boije, chief economist at state-owned bank SBAB told the TT newswire. 

This could mean that inflation starts to rise again in Europe and in Sweden, slowing down the rate at which the Swedish central bank, the Riksbank, can lower interest rates here.

Trump’s victory has also improved the value of the dollar and weakened the krona even more, according to SEB chief economist Jens Magnusson in a comment to TT, which, he added, is bad news for people hoping to see lower interest rates. 

The Swedish central bank, the Riksbank, is expected to lower interest rates at its next rate announcement on Thursday, with Riksbank chief Erik Thedéen hinting in September that a double cut could be likely either at this meeting in November or at the final meeting this year in December.

Magnusson did not believe the US election result would change the Riksbank's decision to lower rates, although he did describe it as a “caveat”.

What about tariffs?

Tariffs would make it much more expensive to sell to the USA,” former trade commissioner Cecilia Malmström told SVT in its Sunday agenda programme ahead of the election.

“If he really did implement all of this, it would bring tariff levels back to a level we saw under the Great Depression,” author and economist Klas Eklund agreed.

In particular, Eklund told the broadcaster, it could affect Swedish industries which export a lot of products to the US, like the vehicle and medical industries.

“No one, as far as I’m aware, has made any sort of calculation which suggests anything good about this. The question is how many degrees of hell it will be.”

A possible trade war between China and the US could have especially negative effects in Sweden, which Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson referred to in a press conference held after the results of the election became clear on Wednesday morning.

“That risk means a great deal for a country like Sweden which is extremely reliant on export and trade,” he said.

"We see the risks [of a Trump administration] and have planned for them," he added.

Trump might be less willing to support Ukraine. What does that mean for Sweden?

Kristersson also warned that the Trump administration may cut support to Ukraine, an issue Kristersson said was more important than any other.

“There is no issue which has the same existential importance for countries in our part of the world than Ukraine,” he said, while adding that continuing Swedish military support to Ukraine would “improve our relation with the USA.”

“The more we act ourselves, the stronger our position will be when we ask for, demand, hope for continued strong transatlantic support for Ukraine,” he said.

What about environmental legislation?

Kristersson agreed that a rollback of environmental legislation is a risk under Trump’s leadership, although Sweden’s climate minister Romina Pourmokhtari believes that the EU could step forward to plug the gap left by the US.

“The US is one of the countries with the largest emissions worldwide,” she told a press conference ahead of the UN’s top climate meeting COP29 in Azerbaijan next week. “There would need to be some very serious changes before the US enters the match.”

“If it’s the case that they pull back, then others need to come forward to fill that space,” she added. “If there’s a setback, I’m convinced that the EU can take greater leadership in these matters and fill the space needed in climate policy, not least in climate negotiations.”

What about UK ?
Can he reverse the revolution ?
Make UK into a state ?
The creep - tea party movements that preceded the maga movement wanted UK to become a state and everything else beyond the channel to become USSR.

Edited November 8 by cosmicway

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1 minute ago, cosmicway said:

What about UK ?
Can he reverse the revolution ?
Make UK into a state ?

I am mostly just waiting to see what is going to happen across the globe.

I will not shed many tears for a tonne of yanks when they are shocked that a leopard is eating their face.

I am still processing a whole lot of this all.

It will take a long time.

IF the US goes as pear shaped as I can easily see it doing, it is going to be an epic shitshow, and it will spill over onto us non Americans.

I am also VERY angry at multiple elements in the Democratic Party.

Especially Biden and all the absolutists (absolutists on poltically suicidal (for the US poltical reality) stances that blew up in their faces).

 

[cosmicway 1,333]

Starmer should call upon Badenoch and the Libs and tell then what's it going to be - brexit is rubbished and you know it. Seek an all party agreement.

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1 minute ago, cosmicway said:

Starmer should call upon Badenoch and the Libs and tell then what's it going to be - brexit is rubbished and you know it. Seek an all party agreement.

Starmer has said for years now Brexit is done and settled and will not be reversed.

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4 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Starmer has said for years now Brexit is done and settled and will not be reversed.

I know.
He thinks he can win over the red wall.
But he also talks about resetting brexit (after a fashion) and there is new data on the table.

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from an email I received

We know this is a difficult time for many of you, and the future is uncertain and bleak. We don’t have all of the results in hand, and Democrats may yet squeak out the House of Representatives. But you read the Prospect because we’re honest with you, because we will always tell you who has power and what they’re going to do with it. So let’s be honest.

A second Trump presidency will bring untold suffering to millions of people. It will likely usher in a kleptocracy, cement a right-wing majority on the Supreme Court for the rest of most of our lives, and put our collective future in the hands of someone who will be virtually unchecked by our institutions. The country has shifted rightward, and while America tends to whipsaw back and forth, the reverberations will ensue for potentially the next few decades.

Over the next several weeks, everyone is going to rush to give their postmortem on this election, and what could have convinced so many people to vote for a second Trump presidency. You can find some preliminary thoughts here:

• A Globally Predictable Result
•  
• Long Night’s Journey Into Hell

• A Republic, If We Can Keep It

But teasing out what happened and what matters will not be wrapped up in a single hot take. As usual, we’re focused on figuring out the real story, apart from conventional media narratives. We will want to find out what the American people actually believe, and the broader societal forces that created such an outcome. We do this work because there will be a next time, and we need to be equipped when that moment comes.

The battle to defend the country from Trump’s whims will be fought not only in Washington, but in courtrooms, state capitals, and city halls all across the country. We’re committed to articulating how the levers of power can be used for good even with Trump in the White House, and what Democrats can do to defend our liberties in Trump’s America. We’ll also continue to shine a light on social movements, and how everyday Americans are organizing to fight back against oppression. And we will focus on abuses of power wherever they exist, from the White House to corporate America, in the hopes that they will be so undeniable that they will have to trigger a reaction.

During a second Trump administration, a robust independent media ecosystem will be more important than ever. Our democracy needs clear-eyed reporting that articulates what’s at stake. We don’t take our work lightly, and we know we have a responsibility to inform the public.

We’re thankful for our community of readers, who make everything we do possible. Thank you for trusting us. Thank you for being a part of this. And thank you for helping us figure this out together.

David Dayen
Executive Editor
The American Prospect

 

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Now that Farage character is currently in the States and he tried to approach the Labour government to appoint him as ... mediator with Trump.
That sounds like a Monty Python movie of course and the government said "we don't need him - we have our own people who talk with the Americans".
But you think Trump might exclude UK from the tariffs ?
If he really means to hurt the EU he might as well do that.
But then again the Europeans won't like it at all.

Edited November 8 by cosmicway

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18 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

Now that Farage character is currently in the States and he tried to approach the Labour government to appoint him as ... mediator with Trump.
That sounds like a Monty Python movie of course and the government said "we don't need him - we have our own people who talk with the Americans".
But you think Trump might exclude UK from the tariffs ?
If he really means to hurt the EU he might as well do that.
But then again the Europeans won't like it at all.

We just need to wait and see what starts to shake out once Trump takes control on January 20th, 2025.

We will get real hints sooner than that though.

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Potential Trump US Attorney General Mike Davis threatens NY AG Letitia James: "I dare you to try to continue your lawfare against … Trump... listen here, sweetheart, we're not messing around this time and we will put your fat ass in prison for conspiracy against rights."