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On 12/06/2024 at 10:17, Sir Mikel OBE said:

18 thousand responses? If it was proportionate thats 2 thousand black people all together and 340 people if it was a a 50/50 split in gender. Thats not representative of black people at all.

it is being bourn out by most of the polls now for the 2024 POTUS election

most show 20 to 23 per cent (on average) of black males saying they will vote for Trump

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On 17/06/2024 at 19:07, cosmicway said:

Hell hath no fury more than marxist frauds exposed.

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11 minutes ago, Vesper said:

it is being bourn out by most of the polls now for the 2024 POTUS election

most show 20 to 23 per cent (on average) of black males saying they will vote for Trump

It's always strange to me to label any group of people like that. Would a black man in Georgia think the same as one from Chicago or California? Would they think the same when they have a completely different background and/or education? They make the same mistake with "Latinos" (I'm sure a "Latina" from Florida and one from Boulder Co think exactly the same).

These polls also do not take into account the electoral college, which is of course the funny thing about the US elections. Winning the popular vote really means nothing as Trump did not win the popular vote the first time around.

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7 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Dinosaurs and humans never coexisted at the same juncture

 

Kentucky's Young Earth Creationism "Museum"

🤠

 

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2 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

These polls also do not take into account the electoral college, which is of course the funny thing about the US elections. Winning the popular vote really means nothing as Trump did not win the popular vote the first time around.

the most polled states are the swing states, so that is directly tied to the Electoral College

I have been very accurate with the EC over the years, I only picked two states wrong in 2016 (I had MN going Red and FL staying Blue) and 2020 (I had GA staying Red and NC flipping to Blue)

Only 8 states MAX are in play in 2024 (plus Nebraka 2nd district)

and actually only 6 that likely can flip either way

GA (trending Red)

AZ (trending Red)

NH (likely stays Blue)

WI (toss up)

MI (toss up)

PA (toss up)

NC (likely stays Red)

NV (trending Red, which is super bad news for Biden)

and

Nebraska 2nd district (trending Blue)

 

maybe, maybe VA (if Trump wins Virginia it is over, Biden is roasted)

 

FL and TX are staying Red easily, as will maine 2nd district

same for New Mexico (it will stay Blue)

 

my latest map:

Biden has to sweep WI, MI, and PA to win under this map

 

 

 

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On 17/06/2024 at 22:42, Vesper said:

Hundreds Of Stanford University Graduates Walk Out Of Graduation Ceremony To Protest Israel

 

Haha 😂 😂, your one moment you have spent all that money on for and you walk out to protest something more than half of them don't even know what it's about, money may buy an education, but it's true what they say, "you can't teach pork" 

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26 minutes ago, Vesper said:

the most polled states are the swing states, so that is directly tied to the Electoral College

I have been very accurate with the EC over the years, I only picked two states wrong in 2016 (I had MN going Red and FL staying Blue) and 2020 (I had GA staying Red and NC flipping to Blue)

Only 8 states MAX are in play in 2024 (plus Nebraka 2nd district)

and actually only 6 that likely can flip either way

GA (trending Red)

AZ (trending Red)

NH (likely stays Blue)

WI (toss up)

MI (toss up)

PA (toss up)

NC (likely stays Red)

NV (trending Red, which is super bad news for Biden)

and

Nebraska 2nd district (trending Blue)

 

maybe, maybe VA (if Trump wins Virginia it is over, Biden is roasted)

 

FL and TX are staying Red easily, as will maine 2nd district

same for New Mexico (it will stay Blue)

 

my latest map:

Biden has to sweep WI, MI, and PA to win under this map

 

 

 

Yeah VA is blue now mostly because of Northern VA, which is an area I"m very familiar with.
I think Biden is very strong in PA, but his condition until election will pretty much determine how viable he actually is. It's not like trump is sounding super smarty lately eh.
I will 100% blame democrats (esp the far left) and Biden if they lose this... I am not yet seeing Capitol attack ads yet, and I presume they will be a constant reminder until Election Day, for ex.

It's always a toss up because the vast majority of voters vote party above candidate.
 

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8 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Haha 😂 😂, your one moment you have spent all that money on for and you walk out to protest something more than half of them don't even know what it's about, money may buy an education, but it's true what they say, "you can't teach pork" 

😆

Reminder he's a comedian above all else; his style is to provoke and mock. I don't agree with everything he says, but I like the humor and the fact that his show is often politically incorrect.

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9 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

I will 100% blame democrats (esp the far left)

not the far left

they blocked nothing of his agenda

it was the centrists and the conservadems who crushed Bidens 6.1 trillion usd infrastructure bills (there were 2, one physical, one human services centred) in new spend

they slashed it from 6.1 trillion down to less than 1 trillion usd, spread out over 10 years

they blocked a shedload of vital programmes and policies that would have massively helped Biden get elected

plus the conservadems disasterously blocked (in the Senate, Manchin and Sinema) the 2 vital voter rights bills, which would have stopped a lot of the Republican attempts to steal the elections now

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hard RW, MAGA adjacent US Senator Pete Ricketts from Nebraska

speaking in praise about the US Supreme Court overturning the ban on bump stocks (basically they turn semi autos into machine guns in terms of fire rate)

this cunt would have been one of our owners

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4 minutes ago, Vesper said:

not the far left

they blocked nothing of his agenda

it was the centrists and the conservadems who crushed Bidens 6.1 trillion usd infrastructure bills (there were 2, one physical, one human services centred) in new spend

they slashed it from 6.1 trillion down to less than 1 trillion usd, spread out over 10 years

they blocked a shedload of vital programmes and policies that would have massively helped Biden get elected

plus the conservadems disasterously blocked (in the Senate, Manchin and Sinema) the 2 vital voter rights bills, which would have stopped a lot of the Republican attempts to steal the elections now

While I agree with what you wrote, I don't think that plays a huge part in the election. The far left are the easy targets for the right.
The average voter in the US is a centrist who either leans right or left, but it's usually a mix. I think you are overstating policies and the average voter is far less concerned about that.

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1 minute ago, robsblubot said:

 I think you are overstating policies and the average voter is far less concerned about that.

these are just some of things cut buy the conservadems

they ABSOLUTELY would have had a huge impact on even the most uninterested voters

 

$200 billion in spending on childcare, ensuring that no family has to pay more than 7% of their income on childcare

$200 billion to make pre-kindergarten universally available for free

$200 billion towards government-subsidized paid family and medical leave

$300 billion towards making community college free for all Americans

$200 billion on health insurance subsidies available through the Affordable Care Act healthcare exchanges

It would have extended the boost to the child tax credit made in the American Rescue Plan, which effectively turned the credit into a child allowance

$100 billion to construct and upgrade public schools

$25 billion to upgrade childcare facilities

$12 billion to spend on community colleges

$115 billion towards highways and roads

$80 billion to improve American railways

$85 billion to modernize public transportation

$25 billion for airports

$174 billion to incentivize adoption of electric vehicles (including $15 billion for the construction of 500,000 electric vehicle charging stations by 2030)

$213 billion for building and retrofitting more than 2 million homes

$111 billion for modernizing drinking water, wastewater, and storm water systems.

$45 billion of that was intended to replace 100% of the country's lead water piping

$150 billion to deliver universal high-speed broadband coverage

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Vesper said:

these are just some of things cut buy the conservadems

they ABSOLUTELY would have had a huge impact on even the most uninterested voters

 

$200 billion in spending on childcare, ensuring that no family has to pay more than 7% of their income on childcare

$200 billion to make pre-kindergarten universally available for free

$200 billion towards government-subsidized paid family and medical leave

$300 billion towards making community college free for all Americans

$200 billion on health insurance subsidies available through the Affordable Care Act healthcare exchanges

It would have extended the boost to the child tax credit made in the American Rescue Plan, which effectively turned the credit into a child allowance

$100 billion to construct and upgrade public schools

$25 billion to upgrade childcare facilities

$12 billion to spend on community colleges

$115 billion towards highways and roads

$80 billion to improve American railways

$85 billion to modernize public transportation

$25 billion for airports

$174 billion to incentivize adoption of electric vehicles (including $15 billion for the construction of 500,000 electric vehicle charging stations by 2030)

$213 billion for building and retrofitting more than 2 million homes

$111 billion for modernizing drinking water, wastewater, and storm water systems.

$45 billion of that was intended to replace 100% of the country's lead water piping

$150 billion to deliver universal high-speed broadband coverage

 

 

 

Yes they would have. If that side got the information, but Fox News will show their bubble and the cbs news and cnns will provide their usual false equivalence.

what are trump policies exactly? 😃 does he have any?

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11 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

Yes they would have. If that side got the information, but Fox News will show their bubble and the cbs news and cnns will provide their usual false equivalence.

what are trump policies exactly? 😃 does he have any?

they would not have needed any news to see it in many cases:

 

family and medical leave (the US is the only advanced nation on the planet without it)

childcare:  no family has to pay more than 7% of their income on childcare

extended the boost to the child tax credit, effectively turning the credit into a child allowance

dramatically lower health insurance costs

bring broadband to everybody (around 25 to 30 per cent of the US is still on dial up or non broadband connections!)

construct and upgrade public schools

free community college for everyone

fixing the roads (I have been all over the US, it is INSANE how shit the roads are)

 

no news needed to have hundreds of millions of citizens see those

 

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51 minutes ago, Vesper said:

they would not have needed any news to see it in many cases:

 

family and medical leave (the US is the only advanced nation on the planet without it)

childcare:  no family has to pay more than 7% of their income on childcare

extended the boost to the child tax credit, effectively turning the credit into a child allowance

dramatically lower health insurance costs

bring broadband to everybody (around 25 to 30 per cent of the US is still on dial up or non broadband connections!)

construct and upgrade public schools

free community college for everyone

fixing the roads (I have been all over the US, it is INSANE how shit the roads are)

 

no news needed to have hundreds of millions of citizens see those

 

Take a look esp the part about FBI numbers vs the talking point of the right wing media: 

 The polarization in the US has reached a point where different groups have a different set of facts.