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[Fernando 6,585]

If it would be Belgium, the palestinians who lived in Belgium originally and before the dictate of 1948 would be cramped up on a space the size of almost Ghent and Antwerp after decades of war where we claimed all of the land despite International regulations.

We would trap them near the sea, and cut them off of the rest of the world by barb wire, fences, control posts and many more. Then we would bomb the shit out of that very limited space, destroying entire blocks with our very precies 1 ton killer bombs we got through financial support of our bidders, the USA, land of hope and glory.

We would be very surprised when those pesky Palestinians dared to shoot rockets back and pursue some kind of guerilla war fare. Even be so desperate to have those idiotic suïcide bombers. How dare they! Do they think they are japanese Kamikazes or what? The terrorist assholes!

The only option we would have left when dealing with such war crimes, is not only take out Hamas (which incidentally we helpen create to counter PLO and Arafat who was too powerful at the time) but kill everyone inside that territory.

To the media we will keep reporting all those horrible warcrimes committee by Hamas. If we repeat it often enough, they will eventually believe it and we can go back and visit our beautiful belgian coast.

Yeaaaah!

Ps: my buddy is currently an officer in the UN anti mining unit in Lebanon, he told me the IDF likes to put mines there with all those beautiful colours kids find attractive. You see how friendly they are, they even cater for kids.

So because of that then Palestinian nation is allowed to create terrorist organization?

I should be worried now that native Americans might do the same?

No Fernando, they are not a terrorist affiliation. If you can't make a distinction between an armed group and a civilian population, then you have a major problem buddy.

Not making a distinction, I'm saying that Palestinian nation has no sovereign over itself when it let's a terrorist organization run free and wild.

Is just a heaven for terrorist.

[Stingray 9,441]

So because of that then Palestinian nation is allowed to create terrorist organization?

I should be worried now that native Americans might do the same?

Not making a distinction, I'm saying that Palestinian nation has no sovereign over itself when it let's a terrorist organization run free and wild.

Is just a heaven for terrorist.

1. Incredibly simplistic. If americans did what they did to the native americans in this time, it would be called mass genocide. This is why what Israel does is unethical.

2. Also: Israel has NO sovereignity over the lands it claims now from the palestinians. Thats the entire point. They have been convicted by the United Nations dozens of times for it, but they just keep taking land by means of settlers that are protected by the army. You seem to forget that people just get bootee out of their houses for decades, even before Hamas.

3. Israel creates terrorism. Even Sin Beth (Israeli secret service) heads admitted to in the famous Oscar winning documentary "the gatekeepers". They released the head of Hammas Ahmed Yassin (who had a life sententie btw) during the peace talks out of jail just to make sure PLO and Arafats peace talks would fail.

4. Hamas originated from a clarity organisation called Mujama al-Islamiya. It became radical because of what Israel did, not the other way around.

5. If you have children, like I do, and someone takes your land and robs your children from a future including military action hurting them, i would shoot Rockets up your ass so fast you couldnt even count to 1.

Dont say, its because of the terrorists, israel was doing that even before the start of terrorism (eg. the hijacking of bus 300 in the seventies out of protest- where the palestinian hijackers were arrested and afterwards brutally killed in could blood) how do you think that affects a people? Or the famous tactic of 'breaking' palestinian protesters in the 80's, which was done with sticks, Stones, gun handles and quite literally standaard procedure (this is also documented btw)

Get your head out of the propaganda mate.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Thank you Jon Snow:

Btw, I found this brilliant British cartoon from 1948:

@Fernando, I'm curios, why do you think that Hamas are bad (terrorist if you want, though I find the term completely meaningless)? I'll tell why I think they're bad, but I want to know your explanation first.

[Stingray 9,441]

IDF used fabricated pictures to justify Al Wafa hospital bombing .... Obviously no covering up going on, sigh ....

Meanwhile, people are blaming the Palestinians for not accepting the unilateral cease fire by their proxy egypt (because it include setting up a israelian safety parameter, thus moving further into palestinian territory - much forgotten fact)

Now, we have a new cease fire in effect, while Israel keeps firing. It begs the question, really ....

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

Battle of Algiers 1967. Incredible film if you havent seen it.

Anyway if we wish to understand the palestinian desperate responses to the genocide, there is a telling scene in The Battle of Algiers.

Ben M'Hidi the leader of the NLF (National Liberation Front) is being questioned by a load of French journalists. They say to him, "isnt it cowardly to hide bombs in womens handbags and baskets ?"

He replies "isnt it cowardly to napalm vilages full of women and children ?"

Then he delivers a cutting blow " OK, you give us your fighter planes and bombers, and then we'll stop using the handbags and baskets".

[Stingray 9,441]

Battle of Algiers 1967. Incredible film if you havent seen it.

Anyway if we wish to understand the palestinian desperate responses to the genocide, there is a telling scene in The Battle of Algiers.

Ben M'Hidi the leader of the NLF (National Liberation Front) is being questioned by a load of French journalists. They say to him, "isnt it cowardly to hide bombs in womens handbags and baskets ?"

He replies "isnt it cowardly to napalm vilages full of women and children ?"

Then he delivers a cutting blow " OK, you give us your fighter planes and bombers, and then we'll stop using the handbags and baskets".

'6 days in june' is also a must see I believe. Very good factually.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YZYBUdzJuqI

[Stingray 9,441]

The banality of evil ....... No defending this utter crap!

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

The banality of evil ....... No defending this utter crap!

Thought I recognised that phrase 'banality of evil'. A study of adolf eichmann.

Now the abused has become the abuser

[Fernando 6,585]

1. Incredibly simplistic. If americans did what they did to the native americans in this time, it would be called mass genocide. This is why what Israel does is unethical.

2. Also: Israel has NO sovereignity over the lands it claims now from the palestinians. Thats the entire point. They have been convicted by the United Nations dozens of times for it, but they just keep taking land by means of settlers that are protected by the army. You seem to forget that people just get bootee out of their houses for decades, even before Hamas.

3. Israel creates terrorism. Even Sin Beth (Israeli secret service) heads admitted to in the famous Oscar winning documentary "the gatekeepers". They released the head of Hammas Ahmed Yassin (who had a life sententie btw) during the peace talks out of jail just to make sure PLO and Arafats peace talks would fail.

4. Hamas originated from a clarity organisation called Mujama al-Islamiya. It became radical because of what Israel did, not the other way around.

5. If you have children, like I do, and someone takes your land and robs your children from a future including military action hurting them, i would shoot Rockets up your ass so fast you couldnt even count to 1.

Dont say, its because of the terrorists, israel was doing that even before the start of terrorism (eg. the hijacking of bus 300 in the seventies out of protest- where the palestinian hijackers were arrested and afterwards brutally killed in could blood) how do you think that affects a people? Or the famous tactic of 'breaking' palestinian protesters in the 80's, which was done with sticks, Stones, gun handles and quite literally standaard procedure (this is also documented btw)

Get your head out of the propaganda mate.

It seems like you and everyone keeps coming back to one gigantic point that I really have not talked about.

That's that Israel came and took possession of Palestinian land all from 1948.

Now if I'm not mistaken wasn't the major powers after world War 2 took that land and gave it to Israel?

Second taking land from another country has happened many times in my country of Ecuador.

Peru has robbed land from us, Brazil as well.

Yet we don't go to Peru and Brazil becoming a terrorist organization.

So land itself just won't justify anything for me.

It has to be how the people of Palestine has acted and Israel against each other.

Here is when I need more information. But not just from Palestinian but from Israel.

Because all I hear is that Israel did that and this.

Well I need to know to hear the other side and see what's what.

Like I believe Hamas is dirty and uses school, hospital and un building to fire rockets from. So Israel has no choice there.

So in every argument and point you bring I want to hear the other side as well.

In conclusion the land argument is not enough for me to say, hey I'm going to side with this terrorist organization....

[Dion 2,476]

Second taking land from another country has happened many times in my country of Ecuador.

Peru has robbed land from us, Brazil as well.

Yet we don't go to Peru and Brazil becoming a terrorist organization.

Did we? I must have missed that history class because we don't even share borders with Ecuador.

[Fernando 6,585]

Did we? I must have missed that history class because we don't even share borders with Ecuador.

Yes you guys did in the past

[Dion 2,476]

Yes you guys did in the past

It must have been way back in the past. Probably colonial times, when Ecuador was more like Spanish territory and when borders meant a lot less. I'm scrolling through articles about our territorial expansion and I can't find anything about Ecuador at all. I have found a treaty but no robbery yet.

[Fernando 6,585]

It must have been way back in the past. Probably colonial times, when Ecuador was more like Spanish territory and when borders meant a lot less. I'm scrolling through articles about our territorial expansion and I can't find anything about Ecuador at all.

Yeah like that. But the recent conflict of modernity has been with Peru.

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

The Worlds Middle East Peace envoy is Tony Blair. Become a multi millionaire since lying about iraqs weapons talking shit round the world and to Republicans. Instead of trying to do his job and diffuse the current israeli slaughter hes doing this. Oh and he is a member of Friends of Israel. Conflict of interests anyone ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2706941/He-Middle-East-not-UK-Peace-envoy-Tony-Blair-blasted-throwing-surprise-birthday-party-wife-Cheries-60th-6million-mansion-Gaza-death-toll-passes-1-000.html

[Stingray 9,441]

It seems like you and everyone keeps coming back to one gigantic point that I really have not talked about.

That's that Israel came and took possession of Palestinian land all from 1948.

Now if I'm not mistaken wasn't the major powers after world War 2 took that land and gave it to Israel?

Second taking land from another country has happened many times in my country of Ecuador.

Peru has robbed land from us, Brazil as well.

Yet we don't go to Peru and Brazil becoming a terrorist organization.

So land itself just won't justify anything for me.

It has to be how the people of Palestine has acted and Israel against each other.

Here is when I need more information. But not just from Palestinian but from Israel.

Because all I hear is that Israel did that and this.

Well I need to know to hear the other side and see what's what.

Like I believe Hamas is dirty and uses school, hospital and un building to fire rockets from. So Israel has no choice there.

So in every argument and point you bring I want to hear the other side as well.

In conclusion the land argument is not enough for me to say, hey I'm going to side with this terrorist organization....

And you ignore ALL the other points made.

Also, no there was a unilateral resolution to divide the land, but plan Dalet started, which had the goal to expanderen beyond the borders of the original divisionist plan. See the Israeli historian Benny Morris and Ari Zavit

http://www.logosjournal.com/morris.htm

Seconden: because annexing countries has been around for ever, that does not make it right. Also: they didnt just take land ([and keep taking it) they put an entire people in a prison camp (Gaza), from which there is NO escape, and perform an ethnoc cleansing of the territory to get all the fertile lands - in the proces killing everyone in that open air prison.

I hope you know the average age in Gaza is 17.

Now please, answer my points as well.