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[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

Just now, cosmicway said:

Blair was around long before Bush and any British pm is second string to POTUS.
But anyway I don't rate him as a great politician.
 

Giuliani was around long before Trump.

There is no shortage of world leaders who are second string to POTUS, but they didnt lick balls the way Blair did.

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58 minutes ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

lair was Bush's lackey.

There was a cringe moment in a press conference when Bush shouted 'Yo Blair !' 

Blair jumped, and you knew then Blair was Bushs' bitch

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[Vesper 30,085]

[Vesper 30,085]

9 hours ago, cosmicway said:

 

Hitler rants to von Shitzenpantz.

 

MAGA has fully embraced Diaper Don Von Shitzenpantz. They are now wearing diapers in solidarity. Totally not a cult.

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[Clockwork 1,794]

The thing Trump and GOP understand is appealing to tribalism. Nationalism and appealing to an identity of your country is very effective. The thing is you can pretty much advocate most policy, leftist and liberals do a terrible job at this. GOP policies are quite frankly shit, and leftiest/liberals policy are quite popular according to the polls. But they come across as anti American or foreign. 

For example the Palestine/Israel issue. Israel position that being pro Israel is pro America, while leftiest/liberals when they advocate for peace they come off as anti america and talk about imparlism that is not effective. 

Here is how i would message an anti Isreal from an American standpoint. For example i would advocate that sending billions of dollars is anti American, and that those politicians are serving the interest of a foreign country and they are placing the interest of a foreign country over Americans. Imo this would be a much more effective way to advocate and achieve the same goal. 

 

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When US politicians visit Israel, either they are signing bombs and advocating killing, or they are taking pictures of remembrance of the holocaust. 

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42 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

 

When US politicians visit Israel, either they are signing bombs and advocating killing, or they are taking pictures of remembrance of the holocaust. 

Nikki Haley writes 'finish them' on IDF artillery shells during Israel visit

Ex-governor also criticises Biden administration for temporarily withholding weapons to discourage attack on Rafah

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/28/nikki-haley-finish-them-missile-israel

Nikki Haley, the failed Republican presidential nominee, signed Israeli artillery shells with the inscription “Finish Them!” on a Memorial Day visit to Israel. The former South Carolina governor’s graphic display of support came on a trip to Israel’s northern border with Lebanon, where she was accompanied by Danny Danon, a former Israeli ambassador to the United Nations and a noted hawkish member of Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud party in the Knesset. Her shell-signing activities came at a time when Israel is engaged in a devastating military offensive in Gaza that has so far killed more than 36,000 Palestinians, an estimated 15,000 of them children.

Talking to reporters, Haley was unapologetic, criticising Joe Biden’s administration for temporarily withholding weapons as a means of discouraging an Israeli attack on the southern Gaza city of Rafah, and aiming barbs at the international criminal court (ICC) – which is seeking Netanyahu’s arrest – and the international court of justice (ICJ), which is considering charges of genocide against Israel. “What America needs to understand is if Israel’s fighting our enemies, how can we not help them,” said Haley, whose missile message also carried the words “America loves Israel”.

“The sure way to not help Israel is to withhold weapons. The sure way to not help Israel is to praise the ICC, the ICJ or any of those that are condemning Israel instead of condemning what happens. “America needs to do whatever Israel needs and stop telling them how to fight this war. You are either a friend or not a friend.” Haley, like Danon a former ambassador to the UN, last week said she would vote for Trump in November’s presidential election, despite having previously denounced him as “dangerous” and unfit to serve.

Danon proudly recorded Haley’s show of support, which also included a trip to southern Israel to meet survivors of Hamas’s 7 October attack in which about 1,200 people were killed and another 253 were taken hostage, on his X account. According to one Israeli peace activist, Alon-Lee Green, Haley also visited settlements in the West Bank, which are not recognised under international law. “Dear Americans, Nikki Haley visited us today: she went to the West Bank settlements and then signed on a bomb ‘finish them’. Just disgusting,” Green posted. “Can you take her back please? We already have one [Itamar] Ben-Gvir [Israel’s national security minister] and don’t need your filthy death-promoting politicians as well. Thanks!”

[cosmicway 1,333]

The 7 of October attacks were by and large a conspiracy to have Trump elected.
There was no military objective of any kind.
Hamas even if they lose Gaza and the tunnels don't mind.
Their leaders are safe in the emirates or Iran and they will find some other way to carry out more terror operations.
With Trump -they reckon- the whole edifice of the western alliance cracks and everybody go their separate ways.
Their master behind the scenes Vladimir Putin becomes happy, wins the war in Ukraine and is ready for more territorial gains.
Places where NATO already has cracked are Hungary, Turkey, Spain and Norway while pro-Putin political factions exist almost everywhere.
 

 

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8 hours ago, Vesper said:

Nikki Haley writes 'finish them' on IDF artillery shells during Israel visit

Ex-governor also criticises Biden administration for temporarily withholding weapons to discourage attack on Rafah

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/28/nikki-haley-finish-them-missile-israel

Nikki Haley, the failed Republican presidential nominee, signed Israeli artillery shells with the inscription “Finish Them!” on a Memorial Day visit to Israel. The former South Carolina governor’s graphic display of support came on a trip to Israel’s northern border with Lebanon, where she was accompanied by Danny Danon, a former Israeli ambassador to the United Nations and a noted hawkish member of Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud party in the Knesset. Her shell-signing activities came at a time when Israel is engaged in a devastating military offensive in Gaza that has so far killed more than 36,000 Palestinians, an estimated 15,000 of them children.

Talking to reporters, Haley was unapologetic, criticising Joe Biden’s administration for temporarily withholding weapons as a means of discouraging an Israeli attack on the southern Gaza city of Rafah, and aiming barbs at the international criminal court (ICC) – which is seeking Netanyahu’s arrest – and the international court of justice (ICJ), which is considering charges of genocide against Israel. “What America needs to understand is if Israel’s fighting our enemies, how can we not help them,” said Haley, whose missile message also carried the words “America loves Israel”.

“The sure way to not help Israel is to withhold weapons. The sure way to not help Israel is to praise the ICC, the ICJ or any of those that are condemning Israel instead of condemning what happens. “America needs to do whatever Israel needs and stop telling them how to fight this war. You are either a friend or not a friend.” Haley, like Danon a former ambassador to the UN, last week said she would vote for Trump in November’s presidential election, despite having previously denounced him as “dangerous” and unfit to serve.

Danon proudly recorded Haley’s show of support, which also included a trip to southern Israel to meet survivors of Hamas’s 7 October attack in which about 1,200 people were killed and another 253 were taken hostage, on his X account. According to one Israeli peace activist, Alon-Lee Green, Haley also visited settlements in the West Bank, which are not recognised under international law. “Dear Americans, Nikki Haley visited us today: she went to the West Bank settlements and then signed on a bomb ‘finish them’. Just disgusting,” Green posted. “Can you take her back please? We already have one [Itamar] Ben-Gvir [Israel’s national security minister] and don’t need your filthy death-promoting politicians as well. Thanks!”

US taxpayers, many struggling to pay bills, rent, mortgages, food should be given a choice as to whether they want another $300 billion to go to the rogue state.

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Five Israelis were seen filming as jet liners ploughed into the Twin Towers on September 11, 2001 ...(Reuters)

THERE was ruin and terror in Manhattan, but, over the Hudson River in New Jersey, a handful of men were dancing. As the World Trade Centre burned and crumpled, the five men celebrated and filmed the worst atrocity ever committed on American soil as it played out before their eyes.

Who do you think they were? Palestinians? Saudis? Iraqis, even? Al-Qaeda, surely? Wrong on all counts. They were Israelis - and at least two of them were Israeli intelligence agents, working for Mossad, the equivalent of MI6 or the CIA.

Their discovery and arrest that morning is a matter of indisputable fact. To those who have investigated just what the Israelis were up to that day, the case raises one dreadful possibility: that Israeli intelligence had been shadowing the al-Qaeda hijackers as they moved from the Middle East through Europe and into America where they trained as pilots and prepared to suicide-bomb the symbolic heart of the United States. And the motive? To bind America in blood and mutual suffering to the Israeli cause.

 

After the attacks on New York and Washington, the former Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, was asked what the terrorist strikes would mean for US-Israeli relations. He said: "It's very good." Then he corrected himself, adding: "Well, it's not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy for Israel from Americans."