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[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

Just now, cosmicway said:

Blair was around long before Bush and any British pm is second string to POTUS.
But anyway I don't rate him as a great politician.
 

Giuliani was around long before Trump.

There is no shortage of world leaders who are second string to POTUS, but they didnt lick balls the way Blair did.

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58 minutes ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

lair was Bush's lackey.

There was a cringe moment in a press conference when Bush shouted 'Yo Blair !' 

Blair jumped, and you knew then Blair was Bushs' bitch

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9 hours ago, cosmicway said:

 

Hitler rants to von Shitzenpantz.

 

MAGA has fully embraced Diaper Don Von Shitzenpantz. They are now wearing diapers in solidarity. Totally not a cult.

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[Clockwork 1,794]

The thing Trump and GOP understand is appealing to tribalism. Nationalism and appealing to an identity of your country is very effective. The thing is you can pretty much advocate most policy, leftist and liberals do a terrible job at this. GOP policies are quite frankly shit, and leftiest/liberals policy are quite popular according to the polls. But they come across as anti American or foreign. 

For example the Palestine/Israel issue. Israel position that being pro Israel is pro America, while leftiest/liberals when they advocate for peace they come off as anti america and talk about imparlism that is not effective. 

Here is how i would message an anti Isreal from an American standpoint. For example i would advocate that sending billions of dollars is anti American, and that those politicians are serving the interest of a foreign country and they are placing the interest of a foreign country over Americans. Imo this would be a much more effective way to advocate and achieve the same goal. 

 

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When US politicians visit Israel, either they are signing bombs and advocating killing, or they are taking pictures of remembrance of the holocaust. 

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42 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

 

When US politicians visit Israel, either they are signing bombs and advocating killing, or they are taking pictures of remembrance of the holocaust. 

Nikki Haley writes 'finish them' on IDF artillery shells during Israel visit

Ex-governor also criticises Biden administration for temporarily withholding weapons to discourage attack on Rafah

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/28/nikki-haley-finish-them-missile-israel

Nikki Haley, the failed Republican presidential nominee, signed Israeli artillery shells with the inscription “Finish Them!” on a Memorial Day visit to Israel. The former South Carolina governor’s graphic display of support came on a trip to Israel’s northern border with Lebanon, where she was accompanied by Danny Danon, a former Israeli ambassador to the United Nations and a noted hawkish member of Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud party in the Knesset. Her shell-signing activities came at a time when Israel is engaged in a devastating military offensive in Gaza that has so far killed more than 36,000 Palestinians, an estimated 15,000 of them children.

Talking to reporters, Haley was unapologetic, criticising Joe Biden’s administration for temporarily withholding weapons as a means of discouraging an Israeli attack on the southern Gaza city of Rafah, and aiming barbs at the international criminal court (ICC) – which is seeking Netanyahu’s arrest – and the international court of justice (ICJ), which is considering charges of genocide against Israel. “What America needs to understand is if Israel’s fighting our enemies, how can we not help them,” said Haley, whose missile message also carried the words “America loves Israel”.

“The sure way to not help Israel is to withhold weapons. The sure way to not help Israel is to praise the ICC, the ICJ or any of those that are condemning Israel instead of condemning what happens. “America needs to do whatever Israel needs and stop telling them how to fight this war. You are either a friend or not a friend.” Haley, like Danon a former ambassador to the UN, last week said she would vote for Trump in November’s presidential election, despite having previously denounced him as “dangerous” and unfit to serve.

Danon proudly recorded Haley’s show of support, which also included a trip to southern Israel to meet survivors of Hamas’s 7 October attack in which about 1,200 people were killed and another 253 were taken hostage, on his X account. According to one Israeli peace activist, Alon-Lee Green, Haley also visited settlements in the West Bank, which are not recognised under international law. “Dear Americans, Nikki Haley visited us today: she went to the West Bank settlements and then signed on a bomb ‘finish them’. Just disgusting,” Green posted. “Can you take her back please? We already have one [Itamar] Ben-Gvir [Israel’s national security minister] and don’t need your filthy death-promoting politicians as well. Thanks!”

[cosmicway 1,333]

The 7 of October attacks were by and large a conspiracy to have Trump elected.
There was no military objective of any kind.
Hamas even if they lose Gaza and the tunnels don't mind.
Their leaders are safe in the emirates or Iran and they will find some other way to carry out more terror operations.
With Trump -they reckon- the whole edifice of the western alliance cracks and everybody go their separate ways.
Their master behind the scenes Vladimir Putin becomes happy, wins the war in Ukraine and is ready for more territorial gains.
Places where NATO already has cracked are Hungary, Turkey, Spain and Norway while pro-Putin political factions exist almost everywhere.
 

 

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8 hours ago, Vesper said:

Nikki Haley writes 'finish them' on IDF artillery shells during Israel visit

Ex-governor also criticises Biden administration for temporarily withholding weapons to discourage attack on Rafah

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/28/nikki-haley-finish-them-missile-israel

Nikki Haley, the failed Republican presidential nominee, signed Israeli artillery shells with the inscription “Finish Them!” on a Memorial Day visit to Israel. The former South Carolina governor’s graphic display of support came on a trip to Israel’s northern border with Lebanon, where she was accompanied by Danny Danon, a former Israeli ambassador to the United Nations and a noted hawkish member of Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud party in the Knesset. Her shell-signing activities came at a time when Israel is engaged in a devastating military offensive in Gaza that has so far killed more than 36,000 Palestinians, an estimated 15,000 of them children.

Talking to reporters, Haley was unapologetic, criticising Joe Biden’s administration for temporarily withholding weapons as a means of discouraging an Israeli attack on the southern Gaza city of Rafah, and aiming barbs at the international criminal court (ICC) – which is seeking Netanyahu’s arrest – and the international court of justice (ICJ), which is considering charges of genocide against Israel. “What America needs to understand is if Israel’s fighting our enemies, how can we not help them,” said Haley, whose missile message also carried the words “America loves Israel”.

“The sure way to not help Israel is to withhold weapons. The sure way to not help Israel is to praise the ICC, the ICJ or any of those that are condemning Israel instead of condemning what happens. “America needs to do whatever Israel needs and stop telling them how to fight this war. You are either a friend or not a friend.” Haley, like Danon a former ambassador to the UN, last week said she would vote for Trump in November’s presidential election, despite having previously denounced him as “dangerous” and unfit to serve.

Danon proudly recorded Haley’s show of support, which also included a trip to southern Israel to meet survivors of Hamas’s 7 October attack in which about 1,200 people were killed and another 253 were taken hostage, on his X account. According to one Israeli peace activist, Alon-Lee Green, Haley also visited settlements in the West Bank, which are not recognised under international law. “Dear Americans, Nikki Haley visited us today: she went to the West Bank settlements and then signed on a bomb ‘finish them’. Just disgusting,” Green posted. “Can you take her back please? We already have one [Itamar] Ben-Gvir [Israel’s national security minister] and don’t need your filthy death-promoting politicians as well. Thanks!”

US taxpayers, many struggling to pay bills, rent, mortgages, food should be given a choice as to whether they want another $300 billion to go to the rogue state.

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Five Israelis were seen filming as jet liners ploughed into the Twin Towers on September 11, 2001 ...(Reuters)

THERE was ruin and terror in Manhattan, but, over the Hudson River in New Jersey, a handful of men were dancing. As the World Trade Centre burned and crumpled, the five men celebrated and filmed the worst atrocity ever committed on American soil as it played out before their eyes.

Who do you think they were? Palestinians? Saudis? Iraqis, even? Al-Qaeda, surely? Wrong on all counts. They were Israelis - and at least two of them were Israeli intelligence agents, working for Mossad, the equivalent of MI6 or the CIA.

Their discovery and arrest that morning is a matter of indisputable fact. To those who have investigated just what the Israelis were up to that day, the case raises one dreadful possibility: that Israeli intelligence had been shadowing the al-Qaeda hijackers as they moved from the Middle East through Europe and into America where they trained as pilots and prepared to suicide-bomb the symbolic heart of the United States. And the motive? To bind America in blood and mutual suffering to the Israeli cause.

 

After the attacks on New York and Washington, the former Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, was asked what the terrorist strikes would mean for US-Israeli relations. He said: "It's very good." Then he corrected himself, adding: "Well, it's not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy for Israel from Americans."

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Just now, Fulham Broadway said:

Five Israelis were seen filming as jet liners ploughed into the Twin Towers on September 11, 2001 ...(Reuters)

THERE was ruin and terror in Manhattan, but, over the Hudson River in New Jersey, a handful of men were dancing. As the World Trade Centre burned and crumpled, the five men celebrated and filmed the worst atrocity ever committed on American soil as it played out before their eyes.

Who do you think they were? Palestinians? Saudis? Iraqis, even? Al-Qaeda, surely? Wrong on all counts. They were Israelis - and at least two of them were Israeli intelligence agents, working for Mossad, the equivalent of MI6 or the CIA.

Their discovery and arrest that morning is a matter of indisputable fact. To those who have investigated just what the Israelis were up to that day, the case raises one dreadful possibility: that Israeli intelligence had been shadowing the al-Qaeda hijackers as they moved from the Middle East through Europe and into America where they trained as pilots and prepared to suicide-bomb the symbolic heart of the United States. And the motive? To bind America in blood and mutual suffering to the Israeli cause.

 

After the attacks on New York and Washington, the former Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, was asked what the terrorist strikes would mean for US-Israeli relations. He said: "It's very good." Then he corrected himself, adding: "Well, it's not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy for Israel from Americans."

Those days I was listening to the sports radio phone in program all night.
2001, Pasok government, the party not yet split two ways like they are now.
The switchboard was jammed with commies who were praising Bin Laden and the terror attack.
If that was happening in Athens, then Gaza ?

So to you the Israelis did a Winston Churchill after Pearl Harbour thing.
I have n't been witness but has its logic.

Dig this also:
 

 

It's AEK Athens v. Hibernian for the Europa cup of 2001-02 a few days after 9-11.
There is a one minute silence for 9-11 and the hooligans break it with Bin Laden chants.
And we are thousands of miles from Gaza.
To compensate for this the board took the entire team to the US embassy the following day
to sign the book of condolensces.

 

 

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

9 hours ago, Clockwork said:

 

When US politicians visit Israel, either they are signing bombs and advocating killing, or they are taking pictures of remembrance of the holocaust. 

Nimarata the Nimrod Hailey has spent her entire life trying to hide her Indian heritage, and laying up under any white man who'd have her. She sold out her dignity decades ago, which is why South Carolina was what it was under her "Leadership"

 

Her legacy will always be the guy she put on to politics all together, Tim Scott, rebuking her in favor of Trump. Of course as he's gay he was able to see through her quite clearly being the only one on that side who isnt dreaming of having sex with her(or her daughter in the case of that weirdo Vivek).

She clearly wants some do nothing cabinet job under trump now.

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Joe Biden’s Dithering in Gaza Gets Absurd

Today on TAP: The Netanyahu regime is making a mockery of American policy.

https://prospect.org/blogs-and-newsletters/tap/2024-05-28-joe-bidens-dithering-in-gaza-gets-absurd/

 

Back on May 8, President Biden told CNN’s Erin Burnett that if Israel invaded Rafah—a small, extremely dense city within the Gaza Strip that has become crammed with perhaps a million refugees because Israel had previously declared parts of the city a safe zone—he would cut off their supply of American weapons. “If they go into Rafah, I’m not supplying the weapons that have been used historically to deal with Rafah, to deal with the cities,” he said. “We’re not going to supply the weapons and artillery shells.”

Fast-forward to this week, and Israel has indeed attacked and invaded the city. On Sunday, an airstrike hit a mass of tents in the city, reportedly killing 45 people. On Tuesday, Reuters reported witness testimony that “tanks and armoured vehicles mounted with machine guns were spotted near Al-Awda mosque” in central Rafah.

Yet as of this week, Axios reported that the White House is “still assessing” whether the red line had been crossed, and at the time of writing the weapons had not been cut off. I ask: What else is there to assess? Do they think they could be someone else’s tanks? (Perhaps Bugs Bunny got lost taking his armored regiment to Palm Springs.)

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The Guardian also reported Tuesday that Yossi Cohen, former head of the Israeli spy agency Mossad, “allegedly threatened a chief prosecutor of the international criminal court in a series of secret meetings in which he tried to pressure her into abandoning a war crimes investigation.”

What more is it going to take for Biden to stop enabling this rogue state?

It should be emphasized that the Rafah attack was no outlier. From the very start of the campaign, “the emphasis is on damage and not on accuracy,” to quote Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari, an Israeli military spokesman, from back in October. And it was only a few weeks ago that Israeli forces killed several World Central Kitchen aid workers, including an American citizen, with repeated precision airstrikes.

In international law, there is an important distinction between collateral damage—civilians killed by accident in a conflict—and deliberately killing civilians because you claim there might be a military target among them. That is a war crime. Stopping shipments of food and medical supplies—in an obvious, undisguised attempt to create famine in Gaza, which Israel has been doing for months—is also a war crime.

Yet this has been the story of the Biden administration and the war in Gaza. Biden makes some timid requests for Israeli forces to cool it a little bit; Netanyahu spits in his face, blows up another hospital, and then demands more free weapons.

I’d argue that a true friend of Israel—one who does not want it to end up as a North Korea–style pariah state—would have long since put maximum pressure on it to end this war and accept a negotiated settlement with the Palestinians, either with their own state or as one state with equal rights for all. That’s the only thing that will protect Israeli security in the long run.

But it seems Joe Biden is not such a friend.