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[cosmicway 1,333]

[Fernando 6,585]

UN is a joke. 

2 years and Russia still destroying Ukraine. 

All they do is talk and no action. 

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

On 25/02/2024 at 10:03, Fernando said:

UN is a joke. 

2 years and Russia still destroying Ukraine. 

All they do is talk and no action. 

Would you be prepared to send your kids to die protecting Ukraine?

[cosmicway 1,333]

On 25/02/2024 at 17:03, Fernando said:

UN is a joke. 

2 years and Russia still destroying Ukraine. 

All they do is talk and no action. 

UN ?
Can UN move unless USA-Russia and China agree for it to move ?
USA could have prevented all this.
Just send some troops there in 2022 when Putin encircled Ukraine.
He would n't dare move, not a chance in a quadrillion.
Before that Putin was observing the situation. In August 2021 he saw how the US abandoned Afghanistan. That encouraged him, then after the so called talks with Liz Truss (!) representing NATO he became sure he could invade and started the invasion. Now it is of course a desperate battle, if the objective is to drive him out from all the occupied Ukrainian lands including Crimea,

But is there a chance USA deliberately allowed this to happen ?
The war and the sanctions are weakening Russia and Russia's international standing,
Without it Putin could n't get Donbass but he would be miles better of.

What did the Americans say in February 2022 ?
They said "American soldiers must not stand against Russian soldiers as this will lead to escalation and a possible world war".
But now is n't America confronting Russia in Ukraine and can this not lead to escalation and world war in the same way ?
So the excuse offered was a frivolous excuse.

Edited February 27, 2024 by cosmicway

[robsblubot 3,595]

1 hour ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

Would you be prepared to send your kids to die protecting Ukraine?

Yup it's complicated... the cost is always high.
We won't have a whole lot of choice If Russia does not stop with Ukraine tho.

Trump is another variable -- Putin may feel encouraged to keep going with Trump as the US pres.

Edited February 26, 2024 by robsblubot

[Fernando 6,585]

4 hours ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

Would you be prepared to send your kids to die protecting Ukraine?

It's that or let Russia completely take out of the map Ukraine...

And Russia will get more stronger if they take Ukraine, not good for anyone in the long term. 

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

17 hours ago, Fernando said:

It's that or let Russia completely take out of the map Ukraine...

And Russia will get more stronger if they take Ukraine, not good for anyone in the long term. 

Or how about other countries send people instead of just relying on one country to heavy lift?

I mean we have Europeans in this very thread saying:

 

 

20 hours ago, cosmicway said:

UN ?
Can UN move unless USA-Russia and China agree for it to move ?
USA could have prevented all this.
Just send some troops there in 2022 when Putin encircled Ukraine.
He would n't dare move, not a chance in a quadrillion.
 

Its US bodies who have to die for other peoples wills. Thats acceptable.

We are a country with out of control inflation, a horrible safety net, and a job market that is on its knees despite what report says about a bunch of part time jobs nobody could live on. On top of this we have a world which, honestly, seems fit to feed us and our kids into an endless blender of wars. How much longer would you @Fernandobe willing to throw your own kids into the grinder of war? While places in Europe and Israel have free healthcare and a higher standard of living than your own?

[Fernando 6,585]

4 hours ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

Or how about other countries send people instead of just relying on one country to heavy lift?

I mean we have Europeans in this very thread saying:

 

 

Its US bodies who have to die for other peoples wills. Thats acceptable.

We are a country with out of control inflation, a horrible safety net, and a job market that is on its knees despite what report says about a bunch of part time jobs nobody could live on. On top of this we have a world which, honestly, seems fit to feed us and our kids into an endless blender of wars. How much longer would you @Fernandobe willing to throw your own kids into the grinder of war? While places in Europe and Israel have free healthcare and a higher standard of living than your own?

Well that is true. 

The Europeans and what not are tired of USA intervention. 

So it's up to them. So again going back to my main argument, UN, and EU are bunch of worthless. All they do is talk and no action. 

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

57 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Well that is true. 

The Europeans and what not are tired of USA intervention. 

So it's up to them. So again going back to my main argument, UN, and EU are bunch of worthless. All they do is talk and no action. 

Why would they be tired of the intervention? 

 

You think they want to send their boys to die in Ukraine? Or to give up a robust safety net to fund a military capable enough of deterring those who bring harm?

Its a sweet deal as long as you are willing to feed your kid into the grinder. As long as you are willing to give other countries millions while kids here starve,  or as long as you are content with your healthcare being tied to whether or not you are able to keep your boss happy. 

[cosmicway 1,333]

5 hours ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

Or how about other countries send people instead of just relying on one country to heavy lift?

I mean we have Europeans in this very thread saying:

 

 

Its US bodies who have to die for other peoples wills. Thats acceptable.

We are a country with out of control inflation, a horrible safety net, and a job market that is on its knees despite what report says about a bunch of part time jobs nobody could live on. On top of this we have a world which, honestly, seems fit to feed us and our kids into an endless blender of wars. How much longer would you @Fernandobe willing to throw your own kids into the grinder of war? While places in Europe and Israel have free healthcare and a higher standard of living than your own?

The point is he would n't have dared.
Now it's war.

[Vesper 30,236]

So sick of the US, Russia, China, and Israel. 

Plus Brexit cunts/Tories, and RW-led Swedish governments.

I am burnt out. 😞

 

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

4 hours ago, cosmicway said:

The point is he would n't have dared.
Now it's war.

He wouldn't dare, but if he did?

 

Those are real kids you would be gambling on, which is much easier when it isnt your kids.

[cosmicway 1,333]

10 hours ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

He wouldn't dare, but if he did?

 

Those are real kids you would be gambling on, which is much easier when it isnt your kids.

He would n't dare.
Even if he did it does n't mean total war in the same way we don't have total war now.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

2 hours ago, cosmicway said:

He would n't dare.
Even if he did it does n't mean total war in the same way we don't have total war now.

Yea im just saying its easy to take that gamble when the kid is from Kansas or Nebraska and not one from Piraeus or Volos.

 

[cosmicway 1,333]

10 minutes ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

Yea im just saying its easy to take that gamble when the kid is from Kansas or Nebraska and not one from Piraeus or Volos.

 

First when I say "Americans" I really mean NATO force.
Some kids from Piraeus and Volos are now sailing in Huti waters - it's what NATO orders Greek navy to do.
But re. Ukraine we are in the gamble now, it's not as if we 're not.
If you talk about Afghanistan then yeah, we 're out - we allowed the taliban to eat the Afghanis.

Edited February 28, 2024 by cosmicway

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

29 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

First when I say "Americans" I really mean NATO force.
Some kids from Piraeus and Volos are now sailing in Huti waters - it's what NATO orders Greek navy to do.
But re. Ukraine we are in the gamble now, it's not as if we 're not.
If you talk about Afghanistan then yeah, we 're out - we allowed the taliban to eat the Afghanis.

Great effort there, but I'd imagine the prospect of dealing with a few guys from the poorest nation on earth with a few Iranian weapons is a different prospect than sitting across a border from the second(or third) most powerful military on earth.

 

Afghanistan is a sad result, but in the end its what they want. Taliban is what they wanted over our installed government.

[cosmicway 1,333]

2 hours ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

Great effort there, but I'd imagine the prospect of dealing with a few guys from the poorest nation on earth with a few Iranian weapons is a different prospect than sitting across a border from the second(or third) most powerful military on earth.

 

Afghanistan is a sad result, but in the end its what they want. Taliban is what they wanted over our installed government.

They won't draft me.
I 'm too old.
These days other things are threatening. Yesterday I learned one of my closest firends died from CA. He told me about it before Christmas, now he 's gone. Excellent musician, excellent athlete back in school.
But war is the mission of the military.
When I was a draftee they told me "this place is a war machine - we are destined to operate during peace time but we always have to stay a war machine".
Greeks have fought in many places, including Ukraine back in 1920 and Korea.
I cannot talk on behalf of the various political leaders, Sounak-Meloni-Shultz-Mitsotakis ... . But ultimately NATO is an integral body and they should n't have stayed out in 2022. By doing so they allowed the war to start and JFK took a different stand when it was Cuba.
About Afghanistan it's not true what you say. The Taliban were not the majority. They were armed but not the majority.
What is true about Afghanistan -according to public opinion researchers- is that both Taliban and non-Taliban were strict muslims and they did not like modernization.
 

[cosmicway 1,333]

 

[NikkiCFC 8,344]

4 hours ago, cosmicway said:

 

Is this song about Sterling?

[cosmicway 1,333]

50 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Is this song about Sterling?

the befuddled-bewildered-forlorn bit