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[CHOULO19 24,332]

Dunno about other people, but this scares the shit out of me:

[Fernando 6,585]

I started to go to church last year and being studying bible prophecy. It's very interesting and seeing how they are coming to past with current events.

There's some stuff that I'm waiting for in the coming years. According to one prophecy it says that Damascus will be destroyed, a city laid in ruins.

I was pondering how this would happen till I saw that ISIS is heading for that capital.

It might well be that ISIS take over and an allied nation or Israel destroy them, while at the same time destroying the capital.

So one scenario there.

Next would be the Gog and Magog war. According to this prophecy it says that this would happen after Israel has finished a small war....that small war could be against ISIS in Damascus or taking out Iran nuclear weapons.

But immediately following that is the Gog and Magog war which some interpreters says is Russia and other Muslim nations attacking Israel.

I guess that would make sense since Russia is not an ally of USA or Israel and many Muslim nations hate Israel.

So with all the things going on the middle east and world event, how likely this scenario are to happen in our lifetime? Likely. And if they do then it will validate the bible as inspired since such prophecy was written thousands of years ago.

Let's wait and see what happens.

[Stingray 9,441]

I started to go to church last year and being studying bible prophecy. It's very interesting and seeing how they are coming to past with current events.

There's some stuff that I'm waiting for in the coming years. According to one prophecy it says that Damascus will be destroyed, a city laid in ruins.

I was pondering how this would happen till I saw that ISIS is heading for that capital.

It might well be that ISIS take over and an allied nation or Israel destroy them, while at the same time destroying the capital.

So one scenario there.

Next would be the Gog and Magog war. According to this prophecy it says that this would happen after Israel has finished a small war....that small war could be against ISIS in Damascus or taking out Iran nuclear weapons.

But immediately following that is the Gog and Magog war which some interpreters says is Russia and other Muslim nations attacking Israel.

I guess that would make sense since Russia is not an ally of USA or Israel and many Muslim nations hate Israel.

So with all the things going on the middle east and world event, how likely this scenario are to happen in our lifetime? Likely. And if they do then it will validate the bible as inspired since such prophecy was written thousands of years ago.

Let's wait and see what happens.

Congrats on dogma 101.

[Fernando 6,585]

Congrats on dogma 101.

Hey it's prophecy and many bible prophecy has been fulfilled.

Israel coming back as a nation was prophecy thousands of years ago.

Even if you are skeptical about that then at least go back as 1600 when the King James Bible came out. There was no Israel back then and in the bible it predicted how the Jews would come back and formed Israel.

It also predicts how they will build their temple in Jerusalem which at the moment doesn't exist. So that's a future prophecy to be fulfilled.

What book out there can give prophecy and fulfilled exactly as it has been decreed?

The next events are those that I mention as well the rapture of the church. Then the coming world leader coming on the scene and making a 7 year peace treaty with Israel.

[Stingray 9,441]

Hey it's prophecy and many bible prophecy has been fulfilled.

Israel coming back as a nation was prophecy thousands of years ago.

Even if you are skeptical about that then at least go back as 1600 when the King James Bible came out. There was no Israel back then and in the bible it predicted how the Jews would come back and formed Israel.

It also predicts how they will build their temple in Jerusalem which at the moment doesn't exist. So that's a future prophecy to be fulfilled.

What book out there can give prophecy and fulfilled exactly as it has been decreed?

The next events are those that I mention as well the rapture of the church. Then the coming world leader coming on the scene and making a 7 year peace treaty with Israel.

Well, you call it profecy ... Disregarding it is a cultural belief. How many religious stories are there in the world. If there are more than 2500 deities in the world, how is yours special? What the others? Shouldn't there be a way of discerning what can be true or not?

I can only reply quoting Ricky Gervais about that line of deductional reasoning:

'It annoys me that the burden of proof is on us. It should be: 'You came up with the idea. Why do you believe it?' I could tell you I've got superpowers. But I can't go up to people saying 'Prove I can't fly.' They'd go: 'What do you mean 'Prove you can't fly'? Prove you can!"

[Fernando 6,585]

Well, you call it profecy ... Disregarding it is a cultural belief. How many religious stories are there in the world. If there are more than 2500 deities in the world, how is yours special? What the others? Shouldn't there be a way of discerning what can be true or not?

I can only reply quoting Ricky Gervais about that line of deductional reasoning:

'It annoys me that the burden of proof is on us. It should be: 'You came up with the idea. Why do you believe it?' I could tell you I've got superpowers. But I can't go up to people saying 'Prove I can't fly.' They'd go: 'What do you mean 'Prove you can't fly'? Prove you can!"

Well there's a lot of religions on the world but none gives prophecy like the bible.

And not just give it but be accurate.

If you have a religion over thousands of years that gives prophecy and have come to past, then please do share so we can see for ourselves.

[Stingray 9,441]

Well there's a lot of religions on the world but none gives prophecy like the bible.

And not just give it but be accurate.

If you have a religion over thousands of years that gives prophecy and have come to past, then please do share so we can see for ourselves.

Lol. Take Islam (and i can also go into non monotheistic prophecies if you want, eg Mazdeism which predates Christianity and might even be its origin):

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/347/

Cheers mate

[Spike 12,049]

I refuse to believe in any interpretation any human has given for 'god' or 'gods'. Whether or not there is an entity or entities that created life and existence remains to be seen but I struggle to believe that any human would be able to comprehend such a being. I do not believe in any of the Abrahamic god(s) nor do I believe in Shinto, Quezacotl and everything in between.

Do I believe in any earthly religions? No.

Do I believe there could be a higher entity? Yes, very much so.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I refuse to believe in any interpretation any human has given for 'god' or 'gods'. Whether or not there is an entity or entities that created life and existence remains to be seen but I struggle to believe that any human would be able to comprehend such a being. I do not believe in any of the Abrahamic god(s) nor do I believe in Shinto, Quezacotl and everything in between.

Do I believe in any earthly religions? No.

Do I believe there could be a higher entity? Yes, very much so.

Yeah, but my pretend god is more powerful than yours!

[Stingray 9,441]

Yeah, but my pretend god is more powerful than yours!

Bollocks, yours is creatively inferior to mine, so I win!

http://www.venganza.org

[Spike 12,049]

Yeah, but my pretend god is more powerful than yours!

My friend Buddai is neither a god nor powerful. But he is wise and that is almost tangible. Almost as tangible as hit titties and belly.

[Fernando 6,585]

Lol. Take Islam (and i can also go into non monotheistic prophecies if you want, eg Mazdeism which predates Christianity and might even be its origin):

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/347/

Cheers mate

Those are not real prophecies men.

I will tell you only one from all those stand out....But having one Prophecy is nice, yet you got to be consistent men. Can't say 50 Prophecy and all but one be right.

In fact here's a great article talking about those "Muslim Prophecy" http://worldview3.50webs.com/quranvbible.html

Okay now show me something more older predating the Bible.

By the way Christianity came from jews. New testament is the compliment to old testament wich is the Torah and the Prophets.

[Stingray 9,441]

Those are not real prophecies men.

I will tell you only one from all those stand out....But having one Prophecy is nice, yet you got to be consistent men. Can't say 50 Prophecy and all but one be right.

In fact here's a great article talking about those "Muslim Prophecy" http://worldview3.50webs.com/quranvbible.html

Okay now show me something more older predating the Bible.

By the way Christianity came from jews. New testament is the compliment to old testament wich is the Torah and the Prophets.

No you tell me about the 50 prophecies that came out. The burden of proof is yours, not mine. Also, the roots of Christianity is much, much older. Check Zoroastrism for example

[Fernando 6,585]

No you tell me about the 50 prophecies that came out. The burden of proof is yours, not mine. Also, the roots of Christianity is much, much older. Check Zoroastrism for example

What 50? I was saying in general.

Say someone gives you 50 prophecy but only one is accurate and all the other false it doesn't mean much.

Furthermore the Bible has hundreds of Bible prophecy. Many from Old Testament that was fulfilled old testament, many from Old testament that was fulfilled in New testament and recently others being fulfilled with Israel.

Would you be seriously interested in listening to these prophecies?

Because I can take my time and write them out. It will be a long one, so I will only do it if you will consider it.

Other then that the roots of Christianity is much older? What you talking about. Christianity emerged 50 days after Jesus resurrection at Pentecost at the receiving of the Holy Spirit. That was when the church was created and Christianity branch out from Judaism.

[Stingray 9,441]

What 50? I was saying in general.

Say someone gives you 50 prophecy but only one is accurate and all the other false it doesn't mean much.

Furthermore the Bible has hundreds of Bible prophecy. Many from Old Testament that was fulfilled old testament, many from Old testament that was fulfilled in New testament and recently others being fulfilled with Israel.

Would you be seriously interested in listening to these prophecies?

Because I can take my time and write them out. It will be a long one, so I will only do it if you will consider it.

Other then that the roots of Christianity is much older? What you talking about. Christianity emerged 50 days after Jesus resurrection at Pentecost at the receiving of the Holy Spirit. That was when the church was created and Christianity branch out from Judaism.

I could have trolled you and asked to write out all the prophecies like you once did with me in the Israel/palestine debate. I decided to be the better man. So no, thank you. Prophecies are hit and miss, like fortune telling. Because of our innate confirmation bias, we grasp on those that turn out true(mostly highly interpreteren and debatable). However, it is pure chance.

On the roots of Christianity: history of religion. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism , i cant be bugged to translate my research into english right now so this is just a introductory source.

It didnt just magically start at the birth of Jesus. There is even a LOT of debate on who the historical Jesus actually was. All the sources of his life date from decades after his death. What does rigorous historical research teach us?

1) there is not one strictly historical source on Jesus. None. Secondary sources barely mention him. Flavius Josephus mentions Jacobus "the brother of Jezus", but no further reference. Philo van Alexandrië, a contemporary of Jezus who knew Palestina goed well, doesn't mention him.

If he existed, which i can believe, he wasn't well known.

2) We have writings of Christian authors, but none of them knew Jesus himself. The oldest sources are the original letters Paulus (Paul) wrote between 50-60. After that the evangelies(i dont know the english word tbh) but they are written at least 40 years after Jesus died. The oldest (Marcus or Marc) is the shortest and spawned both Mattheus and Johannes ( i guess John in English). However those two are highly contradictory about the childhood of Jesus. All of them refer more to the mythical Jesus, which in light of Judaism, sounds more like an attempt to seperate from Judaism as a cult. Very succesfull btw, but is it true?

There isn't a single shred of evidence in ANY source. Weird for the son of God isn't it?

Now, i respect your beliefs. But that is just what they are, beliefs. No more. You have no claim whatsoever on truth. None. Just beliefs.