Patrick Bamford

[Reddish-Blue 2,365]

4 hours ago, Spike said:

Arguments aren't very convincing when you are just stating your opinion on something as intangible as 'quality'. Who defines quality? You? What is quality? Besides you are comparing a player trying to break through to players already established as starters. Shouldn't Bamford be juxtaposed to players in a similar position to him?

I didn't start the comparison. I was simply discussing the players mentioned by the Mak. 

Also, when you think about it Stones, Alli and Barkley were in the same position as Bamford (just 1-2 seasons ago).  Stones was a Championship prospect, Alli was a Championship prospect, and Barkley was considered to be a Championship/PL prospect.  They established themselves as starters because the manager believed in them and because Everton/Spurs look to be building for the future. 

My main point was that Bamford would be better off going to the Championship (scoring regularly, impressing scouts) than waiting around Chelsea reserves and hoping Hiddink gives him a shot

[The Mak 4,459]

11 hours ago, Tomo said:

He did do well, at a lower level, just like Michael Hector, whos signing caused this forum to combust almost.

If Bamford was plying better or training better he would play, you mention the price tag but didn't Jose play a 33 year old free agent over a 50m signing? Pardrews also got form for ballsy decision maling ask Tevez and Masherano.

I'm all for giving youth a shot, but playing Bamford would be like United playing Nick Powell, complete waste of time for both parties, in fact Bamford isn't even youth anymore, he's 23.

The key question is, honestly,if instead of being on loan Bamford signed for MK then Derby then Boro then got a transfer to the top flight failed to break in and we were looking to buy him, can you imagine the reaction on here? Would be complete madness yet because he's on our books he's a potential saviour.

I don't get this really. Bamford is nothing like Powell. Powell has had nowhere near the level of success Bamford has. I don't get why people are so eager to want RLC to play but suggesting Bamford is absolute lunacy? It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Our own products should at least be tried over sacks of shit like Falcao, that is my point.
 

11 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said:

Bamford is no where near Shaw, Stones, Alli, Sterling or Barkley in terms of quality. (you may need to take off the blue-tinted glasses)

I don't need a crystal ball to say that Bamford should be sold to a Championship club, where he can thrive.    

Eh, did I say he was?!? I said that we're not even TRYING to find out own. Not even in this moment. And with shit attitudes like that, which seem to permeate the club when it comes to youth, we never will find one.

The sad thing is that fan attitudes like this seem to be reflected on how we treat youth in general - like shit. They have nothing to measure a player against because they haven't even been tried in the team, yet they're still written off. If Kane was here he would've been fobbed on a lower league team by now, most likely never turning out for England. If we managed to get Ali in the summer, do you think he would be in the team? Would he fuck. He'd have probably scored against the QPR u21s though...

Let me guess. Aké isn't good enough either? We should stick with Branislav? Or gamble yet another 15m+ on a full-back?

[Tomo 21,733]

1 hour ago, The Mak said:

I don't get this really. Bamford is nothing like Powell. Powell has had nowhere near the level of success Bamford has. I don't get why people are so eager to want RLC to play but suggesting Bamford is absolute lunacy? It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Our own products should at least be tried over sacks of shit like Falcao, that is my point.
 

Eh, did I say he was?!? I said that we're not even TRYING to find out own. Not even in this moment. And with shit attitudes like that, which seem to permeate the club when it comes to youth, we never will find one.

The sad thing is that fan attitudes like this seem to be reflected on how we treat youth in general - like shit. They have nothing to measure a player against because they haven't even been tried in the team, yet they're still written off. If Kane was here he would've been fobbed on a lower league team by now, most likely never turning out for England. If we managed to get Ali in the summer, do you think he would be in the team? Would he fuck. He'd have probably scored against the QPR u21s though...

Let me guess. Aké isn't good enough either? We should stick with Branislav? Or gamble yet another 15m+ on a full-back?

Falcao shouldn't have been signed, but if the basis of whether they should get chance is they are better than Falcao we might aswell bring the MK Dons strikers back with us after the FA Cup game.

Ok if not Nick Powell, Henry Lansbury, an Arsenal youth product who looks great in the Championship but out of his depth further up.

With Ake I'm glad you have mentioned him as its quite clear he can be competitive in PL level, so if there's not a plan for him next season I will be disappinted, Patrick, in my opinion, has found his level as a very good top end Championship level striker, nothing wrong with that.

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1 hour ago, The Mak said:

I don't get this really. Bamford is nothing like Powell. Powell has had nowhere near the level of success Bamford has. I don't get why people are so eager to want RLC to play but suggesting Bamford is absolute lunacy? It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Our own products should at least be tried over sacks of shit like Falcao, that is my point.
 

Eh, did I say he was?!? I said that we're not even TRYING to find out own. Not even in this moment. And with shit attitudes like that, which seem to permeate the club when it comes to youth, we never will find one.

The sad thing is that fan attitudes like this seem to be reflected on how we treat youth in general - like shit. They have nothing to measure a player against because they haven't even been tried in the team, yet they're still written off. If Kane was here he would've been fobbed on a lower league team by now, most likely never turning out for England. If we managed to get Ali in the summer, do you think he would be in the team? Would he fuck. He'd have probably scored against the QPR u21s though...

Let me guess. Aké isn't good enough either? We should stick with Branislav? Or gamble yet another 15m+ on a full-back?

I don't disagree with much of what you have written, except we're hovering above the relegation zone and perhaps now isn't the time to text out these younger players, if we put a decent run together and get past the 40 odd points total required, then yes I'm up for seeing what they can do. Our first job is safety though  then we can start evaluating younger players. If I'm not mistaken, Guus has already alluded to this in a recent press article. 

if we are specifically talking about Bamford per se - then I would give him a go in the FA Cup if he's still here and not already out on loan. The cups are where we should be blooding youngsters

[Reddish-Blue 2,365]

1 hour ago, The Mak said:

I don't get this really. Bamford is nothing like Powell. Powell has had nowhere near the level of success Bamford has. I don't get why people are so eager to want RLC to play but suggesting Bamford is absolute lunacy? It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Our own products should at least be tried over sacks of shit like Falcao, that is my point.
 

Eh, did I say he was?!? I said that we're not even TRYING to find out own. Not even in this moment. And with shit attitudes like that, which seem to permeate the club when it comes to youth, we never will find one.

The sad thing is that fan attitudes like this seem to be reflected on how we treat youth in general - like shit. They have nothing to measure a player against because they haven't even been tried in the team, yet they're still written off. If Kane was here he would've been fobbed on a lower league team by now, most likely never turning out for England. If we managed to get Ali in the summer, do you think he would be in the team? Would he fuck. He'd have probably scored against the QPR u21s though...

Let me guess. Aké isn't good enough either? We should stick with Branislav? Or gamble yet another 15m+ on a full-back?

Ake is good enough. Whether or not he gets a chance depends on our next manager.  

[Tomo 21,733]

13 hours ago, Spike said:

Just going to say this: Crystal Palace have more important things to worry about than Bamford's development or playing time.

One of this things being a forward scoring from open play, if the Sturridge that went to Bolton got sent to Palace on loan, he would not only have broke through but had the whole team built around him.

[Jase 43,479]

2 hours ago, Tomo said:

Ok if not Nick Powell, Henry Lansbury, an Arsenal youth product who looks great in the Championship but out of his depth further up.

You're so insistent in pointing out the failures just to say Bamford won't make it, aren't you? I think if you want, you can easily name those who have managed to do well.

2 hours ago, Tomo said:

With Ake I'm glad you have mentioned him as its quite clear he can be competitive in PL level, so if there's not a plan for him next season I will be disappinted, Patrick, in my opinion, has found his level as a very good top end Championship level striker, nothing wrong with that.

So, you're going to just deem Bamford not good enough in the Premier League when he hasn't even been tested at that level? Talk about jumping the gun.

[Tomo 21,733]

16 minutes ago, Jason said:

You're so insistent in pointing out the failures just to say Bamford won't make it, aren't you? I think if you want, you can easily name those who have managed to do well.

So, you're going to just deem Bamford not good enough in the Premier League when he hasn't even been tested at that level? Talk about jumping the gun.

Ok then, how do we know Michael Hector and Papy aren't good enough? How do we know Marco Amelia won't be good enough if we play him? Infact how do we know me and you aren't good enough for Chelsea? After all none of the names mentioned above have been tested in the PL.

And I mention the likes of Powell because United have promoted the likes of him, McNair and Blackett despite the fact they aren't good enough, as frustrating as our youth policy can be atleast when a player does finally make it he will be quality.

[Jase 43,479]

23 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Ok then, how do we know Michael Hector and Papy aren't good enough? How do we know Marco Amelia won't be good enough if we play him? Infact how do we know me and you aren't good enough for Chelsea? After all none of the names mentioned above have been tested in the PL.

And I mention the likes of Powell because United have promoted the likes of him, McNair and Blackett despite the fact they aren't good enough, as frustrating as our youth policy can be atleast when a player does finally make it he will be quality.

But what about Kane, Coquelin, Bellerin and heck even Joel Campbell? Those players didn't exactly shine during their loan spells elsewhere - unlike Bamford - and yet, they have become an integral part of their team after being given the chances and trust.

[Tomo 21,733]

9 minutes ago, Jason said:

But what about Kane, Coquelin, Bellerin and heck even Joel Campbell? Those players didn't exactly shine during their loan spells elsewhere - unlike Bamford - and yet, they have become an integral part of their team after being given the chances and trust.

Fair enough, the reason I don't think he wont make it isn't just because of Palace, he was a decent scorer in the championship but often drifted out of games for long periods even at that level, a bit like what Bent did in PL. Jerome has a similar goal ratio to Bamford in the Championship but isn't good at this level. 

If I'm wrong (which believe it or not I hope I am as it would only benefit us) I will be the first to hold my hands up, but Bamford doesn't really excite me when I think of potentially making it here especially compared to say Traore.

[Jase 43,479]

19 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Fair enough, the reason I don't think he wont make it isn't just because of Palace, he was a decent scorer in the championship but often drifted out of games for long periods even at that level, a bit like what Bent did in PL. Jerome has a similar goal ratio to Bamford in the Championship but isn't good at this level. 

If I'm wrong (which believe it or not I hope I am as it would only benefit us) I will be the first to hold my hands up, but Bamford doesn't really excite me when I think of potentially making it here especially compared to say Traore.

I would prefer to give them a chance or two to show what they can do before passing judgment. Otherwise, we'll find ourselves 2-3 years ago moaning about our treatment and decision to sell Player X, Y, Z, like what's going on with De Bruyne or Lukaku right now.

[Tomo 21,733]

24 minutes ago, Jason said:

I would prefer to give them a chance or two to show what they can do before passing judgment. Otherwise, we'll find ourselves 2-3 years ago moaning about our treatment and decision to sell Player X, Y, Z, like what's going on with De Bruyne or Lukaku right now.

True but for every KDB there is Mancienne, Stoch, Van Aanholt, Di Santo, who fans wanted chances given too and since leaving have shown just why they didn't get them.

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16 minutes ago, Tomo said:

True but for every KDB there is Mancienne, Stoch, Van Aanholt, Di Santo, who fans wanted chances given too and since leaving have shown just why they didn't get them.

if u kept , marin, cuadrado etc.... instead of KDB etc, the problem are coach and scout, who haven't been good enough to see the talent where it was

[The Mak 4,459]

18 hours ago, Tomo said:

Fair enough, the reason I don't think he wont make it isn't just because of Palace, he was a decent scorer in the championship but often drifted out of games for long periods even at that level, a bit like what Bent did in PL. Jerome has a similar goal ratio to Bamford in the Championship but isn't good at this level. 

If I'm wrong (which believe it or not I hope I am as it would only benefit us) I will be the first to hold my hands up, but Bamford doesn't really excite me when I think of potentially making it here especially compared to say Traore.

Sorry, what?! Excite you? The lad puts the ball in the net, that's exciting enough for me. If you're comparing ability, this time last year Bamford was sticking the ball in the net and assisting against City at the Etihad: 
 

 

What was Ruben doing? Traore? Albeit, yes, they are 2 years younger than Patrick but to think Traore in particular would be doing the same in exactly 1 year's time is extremely optimistic to say the very least.

I am not saying he should be first choice, some seem to think I am. I am saying give the boy a shot at being a back-up striker. Play him instead of the horrid false 9 for christ sake. It's the very least he deserves.

[Tomo 21,733]

3 hours ago, The Mak said:

Sorry, what?! Excite you? The lad puts the ball in the net, that's exciting enough for me. If you're comparing ability, this time last year Bamford was sticking the ball in the net and assisting against City at the Etihad: 
 

 

What was Ruben doing? Traore? Albeit, yes, they are 2 years younger than Patrick but to think Traore in particular would be doing the same in exactly 1 year's time is extremely optimistic to say the very least.

I am not saying he should be first choice, some seem to think I am. I am saying give the boy a shot at being a back-up striker. Play him instead of the horrid false 9 for christ sake. It's the very least he deserves.

In this game you need be more than just a scorer, Gomez netted almost a goal a game in 11/12 for Bayern yet got dropped for Manduzic following summer, Bas GPM ratio here was amazing but he was never warmed to here.

Yes he scored at The Ehithad, but Hilario also kept a clean sheet vs Barca.

[OneMoSalah 8,794]

Didn't Bamford not play for Boro mostly as a right midfielder last year? 

 

 

[Eidur the Spider 4,515]

Patrick Bamford will be allowed to leave Chelsea, although the club want to insert a buy-back clause in any permanent deal (Telegraph) #CFC

Norwich City, Hull City and Middlesbrough are all interested in Patrick Bamford. (Telegraph) #CFC

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1 hour ago, Eidur the Spider said:

Patrick Bamford will be allowed to leave Chelsea, although the club want to insert a buy-back clause in any permanent deal (Telegraph) #CFC

Norwich City, Hull City and Middlesbrough are all interested in Patrick Bamford. (Telegraph) #CFC

He's as good as gone then - buy back clause is sensible! Good luck to the lad - I'd choose Norwich out of those 3

although Boro should get promoted this season, could be a good move, celebrate winning something and then into the PL