Kevin de Bruyne

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If the Belgium players on our books got half the appreciation the two that have left have, this site would be such a happier place.

Hazard is loved by everyone here. Even now there are people full of support on him during quite a difficult spell for him. Last season, majority of the forum I can say were in awe of Hazard and we made clear who we thought should be the POTY. Hazard and Courtois are very much appreciated over here. But right now he is not at the top of the game and KDB had made an instant impact so it is no surprise people are giving KDB credit.

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Can't find the link about it anymore sadly. It was about the same as Mourinho said, he doesn't overly apply in training and he's a player that will thrive when everything goes his way.

So, that's already two managers saying the same about him.... going by that, i wouldn't want a guy like that in my team.

There is a reason you can't find it anymore...

[didierforever 7,349]

I'll make just an example to you, because i think you know it is twisted just to prove your point:

Torres replacement was in fact Remy, Remy is not lighting the world on fire, but is miles better than Torres.

Cesc, while being useless now (i don't like him and he should be nowehre near Chelsea if you ask me) was brought in to do a job, and last season he did brilliantly, so that shouldn't be considered as a massive mistake, the list goes on, deduce the rest for yourself.

As i've said, try to be more respectful in the future, every word you post is saturated with disrespect, i'll leave the rest to you, as something thought by oneself is way more valuable than just being told how to do it.

what? we had 3 strikers. torres, etoo and ba. ba was the definite 3rd striker. etoo was the short term, fill the gap solution. torres was our 1st/2nd striker. DD replaced etoo as the short term solution, remy as the cheap option 3rd striker (exact to BA) and costa as the no.1. so please stop trying to deduce things which most of the people already know.

cesc is a MASSIVE MISTAKE. he is the definition of a mistake. just like RVP. brought in to do a job in a year. and now nothing but a liability. we could have got rakitic, instead we got cesc. and now we are getting screwed again and again and again. just like united did with RVP. so yes, he is a MASSIVE MISTAKE.

sorry, but i am not going to take life lessons on TC. if you have a problem, stop quoting me, cos i did not quote you. or you can report me and let the mods decide if i did something wrong.

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

what? we had 3 strikers. torres, etoo and ba. ba was the definite 3rd striker. etoo was the short term, fill the gap solution. torres was our 1st/2nd striker. DD replaced etoo as the short term solution, remy as the cheap option 3rd striker (exact to BA) and costa as the no.1. so please stop trying to deduce things which most of the people already know.

cesc is a MASSIVE MISTAKE. he is the definition of a mistake. just like RVP. brought in to do a job in a year. and now nothing but a liability. we could have got rakitic, instead we got cesc. and now we are getting screwed again and again and again. just like united did with RVP. so yes, he is a MASSIVE MISTAKE.

sorry, but i am not going to take life lessons on TC. if you have a problem, stop quoting me, cos i did not quote you. or you can report me and let the mods decide if i did something wrong.

Not really....

Loic Remy: Chelsea complete £10.5m signing of QPR striker 31 August 2014 Last updated at 15:54 GMT

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/28994304

Fernando Torres: AC Milan seal loan deal for Chelsea striker 31 August 2014 Last updated at 16:42 GMT

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/28991464

Up until then we had, Costa-Torres-Drogba. Before Costa, we didn't really have a 1st option striker, one could argue that Costa replaced both Lukaku and Torres, or that Remy replaced both Lukaku and Torres, or that the club's plans were different from having Costa-Remy-Drogba, that we can't know.

Now i'll probably stop answering to you, because i believe this is largely off topic, you can keep quoting until tomorrow in your usual, disrespectful, unorganized manner.

[didierforever 7,349]

Not really....

Loic Remy: Chelsea complete £10.5m signing of QPR striker 31 August 2014 Last updated at 15:54 GMT

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/28994304

Fernando Torres: AC Milan seal loan deal for Chelsea striker 31 August 2014 Last updated at 16:42 GMT

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/28991464

Up until then we had, Costa-Torres-Drogba. Before Costa, we didn't really have a 1st option striker, one could argue that Costa replaced both Lukaku and Torres, or that Remy replaced both Lukaku and Torres, or that the club's plans were different from having Costa-Remy-Drogba, that we can't know.

Now i'll probably stop answering to you, because i believe this is largely off topic, you can keep quoting until tomorrow in your usual, disrespectful, unorganized manner.

there is more than one way to "replace" a player. you are going by day mapping. i am going through the squad roles and the similarity in traits.

2013/14 - torres (main striker/2nd striker), etoo (short gap), ba (3rd striker)

2014/15 - costa (main striker), DD (short gap), remy (2nd/3rd striker)

2015/16 - costa(main striker), falcao (short gap), remy (2nd/3rd striker).

a replacement is more on the traits than simply by the date at which they are bought and hence the comparison between remy and ba.

on the whole, when jose came here we had lukaku, torres, ba as our options, currently we have costa, falcao, remy.

lukaku is going to bite us in the ass just like KDB did, ba and remy are very much similar so are falcao and torres. hence why i said, costa was the only deal in strikers which can be classified as a "good deal". get the gist?

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

there is more than one way to "replace" a player. you are going by day mapping. i am going through the squad roles and the similarity in traits.

2013/14 - torres (main striker/2nd striker), etoo (short gap), ba (3rd striker)

2014/15 - costa (main striker), DD (short gap), remy (2nd/3rd striker)

2015/16 - costa(main striker), falcao (short gap), remy (2nd/3rd striker).

a replacement is more on the traits than simply by the date at which they are bought and hence the comparison between remy and ba.

on the whole, when jose came here we had lukaku, torres, ba as our options, currently we have costa, falcao, remy.

lukaku is going to bite us in the ass just like KDB did, ba and remy are very much similar so are falcao and torres. hence why i said, costa was the only deal in strikers which can be classified as a "good deal". get the gist?

now explain how schurrle replaced malouda. comeon, go ahead. i would love to hear how malouda, a reserve player for a year, got replaced by a 18mil pound schurrle.

All right now i'll stop seriously, go on and "debate" why goats were cows.

[didierforever 7,349]

now explain how schurrle replaced malouda. comeon, go ahead. i would love to hear how malouda, a reserve player for a year, got replaced by a 18mil pound schurrle.

All right now i'll stop seriously, go on and "debate" why goats were cows.

huh?

what?

i mean

our 6 AMs for 2012-13 were hazard-mata-oscar with marin, moses, yossi/piazon. our 6AMs for 13/14 were hazard-mata-oscar with willian, schurrle, kdb.

where the holy shit does malouda even come into picture?

meh, dude, forget it.

i mean seriously, u will be better off debating why goats were cows.

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

huh?

what?

i mean

our 6 AMs for 2012-13 were hazard-mata-oscar with marin, moses, yossi/piazon. our 6AMs for 13/14 were hazard-mata-oscar with willian, schurrle, kdb.

where the holy shit does malouda even come into picture?

meh, dude, forget it.

i mean seriously, u will be better off debating why goats were cows.

a replacement is more on the traits than simply by the date at which they are bought and hence the comparison between remy and ba.

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i stopped reading at "malouda out". he was out in 2012. jose came to chelsea in 2013. but keep it up.

there's no point arguing with mou's whore

[Essien19 1,415]

LOL, oh dear... http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/season=2013/clubs/club=52914/squad/index.html

he was not in our europa league squad or CL squad or PL squad since JAN.

so, jose now replaced a reserve player by a 18million schurrle? a player who played a grand total of (u guessed it right), 0 minutes for CFC in the 2012-13 season. and yet could not win the league an infact went trophyless. SHAME...

jose transfers dealing since he came here compared to 2012/13 squad which was one of the worst chelsea squads in the roman era.

moses -> willian (brilliant)

marin -> KDB ->brown?-> kenedy (MASSIVE MISTAKE)

piazon -> schurrle -> cuadrado -> traore (LOL, MASSIVE MISTAKE considering the money involved)

mata -> salah -> pedro (jury is out on pedro but considering the loss of creativity in the squad, MASSIVE MISTAKE)

lukaku -> etoo -> drogba -> falcao (another MASSIVE MISTAKE)

luiz -> zouma (decent dealing)

paulo ferreira -> x,y,z youth player (no output)

bertrand -> luis -> baba (MASSIVE MISTAKE)

lampard -> cesc (given the midfielders available, and the massive liability that cesc is, MASSIVE MISTAKE)

romeu -> matic (the best dealing without a shred of doubt)

ba -> remy (quite the same)

torres -> costa (anyone would have been an upgrade. but one of his best dealings after willian and matic)

so at max, 3 deals which can be termed as good and above, 3 changes which were average and 6 MASSIVE MISTAKES. not hard to see how poor his dealings have been

"piazon -> schurrle -> cuadrado -> traore (LOL, MASSIVE MISTAKE considering the money involved)"

Piazon is simply not good enough, i like the bloke, but he can't cut it here.

Schurrle was a good deal, aspiring prospect who showed potential and put it behind against the likes of City and PSG.

At some point he regressed and the club cut their losses at the right time, take a look at his current time in Wolfsburg, he is doing jack shit, sadly.

A lot of people, including myself, had their hopes up by the thought of Juan Cuadrado joining Chelsea.

This dude failed miserably, way too often he got dispossessed, is he able to win one freakin' duel let alone an aerial one?!

I didn't see that one coming, therefore i don't be harsh on the board and Mourinho.

I don't watch the italian league that much, but in the UCL he showed some great piece of skill against Manchester City, i think we can get back most of the money.

Traore wasn't expensive and showed good skill during his loan spell, exciting prospect, nothing wrong by giving him chances to redeem himself.

At the end of the day, i see us in the blank, not in the red, but only the future will tell.

mata -> salah -> pedro (jury is out on pedro but considering the loss of creativity in the squad, MASSIVE MISTAKE)

Mata played utter dog shit under Jose, he wasn't the same player anymore, for that money, i'll do it all fuckin' day.

Once again, we bought with Salah one hell of a talent, he showed his skill-set in the UCL.

He didn't graduate at Chelsea, but because of his successful loan spells, big buckets will come in.

Pedro is a proven player, the people in charge wanted someone with experience, the house is full of gifted young talents; Traore, Kenedy, Musonda and the list continues.

At the end of the day we are in credit, that's not a bad thing.

Especially when a player like Pedro suits the style of play a lot more than Mata, who is better as a number 10 than as a winger.

bertrand -> luis -> baba (MASSIVE MISTAKE)

Bertrand should have played more, but that's not alone Joses fault, for example ask Di Matteo.

Who is responsible for the purchase of Filipe Luis?

Last season, Azpilicueta und Ivanovic played their part and helped to deliver the goods, Luis didn't want to be here anymore, so it was his decision to leave.

Did Jose really wanted to buy Baba?

At the start of the season he had fitness problems, now we have seen problems with his defensive work, yes he is young and nervous, but mistakes happen.

I think he will come good, the jury still is out, no need to make the harsh judgement call today.

marin -> KDB ->brown?-> kenedy (MASSIVE MISTAKE)

The so called "german messi" is better off Chelsea.

The case Kevin De Bruyne could have been handled differently, the discussion is endless, i acknowledge that a mistake has been made, but people have to get over it, he won't come back.

After every goal the discussion will rise again, fun times are ahead of us, lol.

Kenedy has impressed me since his game against Barcelona and his antics against Suarez, he is going to play his part at Chelsea and he still is only 19 years of age.

Getting him is not a massive mistake, even if De Bruyne isn't around here anymore.

I don't mean you didierforever, but if some gfs of yours break up with you, you still moan all the time?!

Not healthy, but not my life!

lukaku -> etoo -> drogba -> falcao (another MASSIVE MISTAKE)

Lukaku didn't want the competition and against Bayern Munich he failed with the penalty.

He wasn't up for the job, he is like the spoiled kid who can't wait, he wants it now and that's not happening at Chelsea.

Chelsea got ~30 mio., that money was a good down payment for Diego Costa, for me it has been good business.

The team lacked leaders; Eto'o and Drogba are big personalitys, they dominante the dressing room and give good suggestions to the younger boys.

Yes, Falcao seems like a deterioration, but he is only the number 3 and not so expensive.

Back in the day a german friend of mine preferred Benteke over Falcao, but that guy would have been really expensive.

I can still live with having Falcao around the house for one year.

His goal in the league wasn't that bad imo.

lampard -> cesc (given the midfielders available, and the massive liability that cesc is, MASSIVE MISTAKE)

Lampard in his prime, yes, but not during his recent years at Chelsea, his consistency wasn't there anymore.

Year after year the midfield got overran.

Cesc is playing badly, but last season he was an integral part to the campaign, "massive mistake" seems a bit harsh to me.

Yes, Rakitic would have been better, we tried to get Modric, but we failed, so i take Cesc, without Cesc it could be worse...

ba -> remy (quite the same)

Remy has been a massive signing, scoring goals for fun, not moaning because of sitting on the bench and he can play more than one position.

For me, he is a much better fit than Ba.

Chelsea often follows the philosophy sell one and then buy a new one.

Mourinho himself acknowledged, that he would have kept some the players, but that wasn't possible.

I think the business hasn't been that bad, some decisions could have been handled differently, but overall the improvement is clear as daylight, the judgment day is not today or tomorrow,

being 6 points behind a UCL spot is not the end of world, not after 9th matchdays, lol.

[didierforever 7,349]

a replacement is more on the traits than simply by the date at which they are bought and hence the comparison between remy and ba.

so malouda the reserve player who should barely even be counted as a chelsea player and had a grand total of 0 minutes played in the whole season (12-13) is similar on traits to schurrle?

ok, so we replaced sheva with falcao?

[didierforever 7,349]

Piazon is simply not good enough, i like the bloke, but he can't cut it here.

Schurrle was a good deal, aspiring prospect who showed potential and put it behind against the likes of City and PSG.

At some point he regressed and the club cut their losses at the right time, take a look at his current time in Wolfsburg, he is doing jack shit, sadly.

A lot of people, including myself, had their hopes up by the thought of Juan Cuadrado joining Chelsea.

This dude failed miserably, way too often he got dispossessed, is he able to win one freakin' duel let alone an aerial one?!

I didn't see that one coming, therefore i don't be harsh on the board and Mourinho.

I don't watch the italian league that much, but in the UCL he showed some great piece of skill against Manchester City, i think we can get back most of the money.

Traore wasn't expensive and showed good skill during his loan spell, exciting prospect, nothing wrong by giving him chances to redeem himself.

At the end of the day, i see us in the blank, not in the red, but only the future will tell.

replacing schurrle with piazon is a step ahead. no doubt about it. but after that, everything went down south. from schurrle, a good goal scorer, we are down to traore who wont be starting PL/CL games unless, hazard, pedro, willian, remy all get injured. its a spot which is lost. the money spent here is massive. hence the massive mistake part. you are right with no one guessing how shit cuadrado would have been but thats the point of a manager doing things. schurrle had a poor 4 months. he was a brilliant super-sub was germany in the world cup and then had a tough time most of which was on the bench. we did not cut our losses, we made a bad decision.

Mata played utter dog shit under Jose, he wasn't the same player anymore, for that money, i'll do it all fuckin' day.

Once again, we bought with Salah one hell of a talent, he showed his skill-set in the UCL.

He didn't graduate at Chelsea, but because of his successful loan spells, big buckets will come in.

Pedro is a proven player, the people in charge wanted someone with experience, the house is full of gifted young talents; Traore, Kenedy, Musonda and the list continues.

At the end of the day we are in credit, that's not a bad thing.

Especially when a player like Pedro suits the style of play a lot more than Mata, who is better as a number 10 than as a winger.

mata was poor under jose as a RW. the jose who wanted so much out of his no.10 that he sacrificed one of the most creative players in the world, and then puts in cesc the next season in the team as a CM. poor decision. salah was a poor buy. he was a typical chelsea buy. most of the fans on here were unhappy and i personally never left he had a chance in hell. i am willing to give pedro the time. but, was it worth 37mil pounds to let go off mata and then not being able to break down teams like norwich, aston villa and palace and then losing the league despite doing the double over both pool and city? not for me, not even close. and after selling mata, now we are down to cesc who is literally the only creative player and jose's hands are tied to have to play him every match. MASSIVE MISTAKE.

Bertrand should have played more, but that's not alone Joses fault, for example ask Di Matteo.

Who is responsible for the purchase of Filipe Luis?

Last season, Azpilicueta und Ivanovic played their part and helped to deliver the goods, Luis didn't want to be here anymore, so it was his decision to leave.

Did Jose really wanted to buy Baba?

At the start of the season he had fitness problems, now we have seen problems with his defensive work, yes he is young and nervous, but mistakes happen.

I think he will come good, the jury still is out, no need to make the harsh judgement call today.

RDM started bertrand in the CL final and after that, RDM barely had a chance for much squad rotation. rafa benitez played bertrand quite a lot and he was good every time he played. jose got an ashley cole who was pathetic. so it was jose's call on who to replace him with. a natural LB or a RB. jose chose azpi and in the long run, we have got screwed massively. now we are stuck with a 31 year old RB who is very poor, a RB who is playing as a LB and a 21 year old 21 million pounds LB who jose did not want (apparently).

if every time a player wanted to leave, and the manager sold him, football will become a havoc. look at united. DDG wanted to leave to RM. united kept him. sometimes you have to do things for the better of the team. specially when you have just 6 defenders. how can you go into the season with 5 defenders and BABA who our manager deems not good enough to replace iva in this form.

is luis left, its cos the manager let him. this is on jose.

we let a 25 year old PL established left back go, bought the LB of the season but continued with a RB as a LB and then sold him and replaced him with a 21 year old LB worth 21 million pounds. sorry, a MASSIVE MISTAKE.

The so called "german messi" is better off Chelsea.

The case Kevin De Bruyne could have been handled differently, the discussion is endless, i acknowledge that a mistake has been made, but people have to get over it, he won't come back.

After every goal the discussion will rise again, fun times are ahead of us, lol.

Kenedy has impressed me since his game against Barcelona and his antics against Suarez, he is going to play his part at Chelsea and he still is only 19 years of age.

Getting him is not a massive mistake, even if De Bruyne isn't around here anymore.

I don't mean you didierforever, but if some gfs of yours break up with you, you still moan all the time?!

Not healthy, but not my life!

when you break up with a GF, she does not earn 1million$ a year for your arch enemy, does she? the case is totally different than a break up. you dont have to see your GF giving the best blow job and having the best sex ever with your arch enemy every week. here, we have to. we have to watch kdb scoring goals and assisting like child's play while i dont even remember our last proper attacking goal. both goals against villa were lucky - own goal and guzan mistake, against porto - a freekick, against kiev - no goals, against soton - freekick. hell, when was the last game we scored a proper goal from attacking football? massive massive massive mistake.

Lukaku didn't want the competition and against Bayern Munich he failed with the penalty.

He wasn't up for the job, he is like the spoiled kid who can't wait, he wants it now and that's not happening at Chelsea.

Chelsea got ~30 mio., that money was a good down payment for Diego Costa, for me it has been good business.

The team lacked leaders; Eto'o and Drogba are big personalitys, they dominante the dressing room and give good suggestions to the younger boys.

Yes, Falcao seems like a deterioration, but he is only the number 3 and not so expensive.

Back in the day a german friend of mine preferred Benteke over Falcao, but that guy would have been really expensive.

I can still live with having Falcao around the house for one year.

His goal in the league wasn't that bad imo.

hopes up by the thought of

lukaku did not want the competition after being judged by our manager to be not good enough to be able to lead the line despite having options like ba and torres. he went out to buy a 33 year old etoo. sorry, any self respecting player would have done what lukaku did. if we had bought rooney (like we wanted) and then lukaku left, i would have said, it was not jose's fault, it was lukaku's. buying etoo was a foolish thing to do. if jose can give oscar the time and place over mata as a no.10, i dont know why not lukaku. and whats worse is that even the time lukaku was here, he was not given a start, was he? andre schurrle was preferred as a ST against united at OT instead of lukaku. sorry, jose's mistake.

falcao might not be expensive, but i would rather have an expensive player like benteke who can cover well for costa when he is in the kind of rut he currently is in. yes, we have not spent much on the striker positions considering lukaku and ba sales, but what good has it done to us? would u like the current situation or buying a 30mil benteke/lacazette. i know which one i would like.

Lampard in his prime, yes, but not during his recent years at Chelsea, his consistency wasn't there anymore.

Year after year the midfield got overran.

Cesc is playing badly, but last season he was an integral part to the campaign, "massive mistake" seems a bit harsh to me.

Yes, Rakitic would have been better, we tried to get Modric, but we failed, so i take Cesc, without Cesc it could be worse...

long term wise, cesc is going to be a killer. if the midfield got over-run with lampard, it gets raped with cesc. its not upgrade. its a nothing. we sold mata cos he could not do a defensive job and yet we bought the king of shit defensive CM. someone who cant put in a defensive shift to save his life? with him in the midfield, our mid will be over-run match after match be it against the likes of villa or newcastle. we have next to no chance for CL success (barca could not win a CL with cesc in 3 years and yet the 4 years without him they have won 3 CLs). RVP did a job for united in one year, but i would never classify him as a good buy. he hampered united. he hampered the development of chicha, welbeck and gave them 2 years of mediocrity. whats worse is that with cesc, we actually had better options. poor decision by jose. and even poorer decision to keep on playing him.

Remy has been a massive signing, scoring goals for fun, not moaning because of sitting on the bench and he can play more than one position.

For me, he is a much better fit than Ba.

Chelsea often follows the philosophy sell one and then buy a new one.

Mourinho himself acknowledged, that he would have kept some the players, but that wasn't possible.

I think the business hasn't been that bad, some decisions could have been handled differently, but overall the improvement is clear as daylight, the judgment day is not today or tomorrow,

being 6 points behind a UCL spot is not the end of world, not after 9th matchdays, lol.

remy has been a good signing. as was BA for the money. remy has scored 10 goals and 3 assists in 1289 minutes at 100 minutes/goalandassist, ba had 14 goals and 5 assists in 2268 minutes at 119 minutes/goalandassist. and some of the goals ba has scored (psg, manu*2) have been really important. a lot of remy's goals have been in an already won position. so i honestly dont see a very good buy/replacement in this case.

the improvement is clear cos we had one of the worst squads in 12-13. the club was in a disarray. we had brought in a bunch of players (mata, hazard, oscar, moses, marin, azpi, GC) who were there in the club for 1 or less years. along with that we had talents like kdb on loan. you talk about players like kenedy/traore/musonda, how is their situation different from kdb's. u said salah was a talent, and maybe, he is. how is their situtation different from salah's? jose's policy wont change. and his transfer dealings have been poor. yes, i know hindsight is 20/20 but some of the mistake - kdb, lukaku, mata, bertrand, were so obviously a mistake that it hurts. and our recent results just put salt over those hurts.

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there's no point arguing with mou's whore

Hi TC,

Please take care of this.

[zolayes 14,489]

Hi TC,

Please take care of this.

I think he means Ivanovic

[illmatic 901]

I have to admit that I not was a big fan of him and didn't understand why so many tears for him. Well, i am here to admit my mistake.

Absolutely a TOP player who would have been great to have him in our team. Extremely effective. Goals, assists, great game understanding, personality.

I see him as an european version of my compatriot James Rodriguez. If i could summarize both in one word, would be effectivity. Not useless dribbles nor bullshit, they are direct, as a knife to the rival teams, scoring, assisting, taking simples and good decisions.