Kevin de Bruyne

[Sidzeret 2,257]

A bit silly to sell him now unless its for a really good price. It should be a loan. Watch his price rise during the summer.

or watch it drop to the range of 8-10m if he doesn't impress there. Its almost impossible to get quality playing time when you are loaned out in January to the major European League unless you can emulate the very best. Piazon last season hardly played at Malaga during the second half of the season.

We shouldn't get greedy and keep him around hoping to get more on him in the summer. 15m with a buy back clause is extremely fair.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

I don't think he has a future at Chelsea under José Mourinho. Another case, akin to Mata, where he isn't a Mourinho-type player. It is a shame to see great talent go to waste, I think it's for the best to let him leave on loan for the foreseeable future, to secure a World Cup spot, and then he should review his position at the start of next season. If he isn't going to get the chances to play, he may as well move elsewhere.

[The Mak 4,459]

or watch it drop to the range of 8-10m if he doesn't impress there. Its almost impossible to get quality playing time when you are loaned out in January to the major European League unless you can emulate the very best. Piazon last season hardly played at Malaga during the second half of the season.

We shouldn't get greedy and keep him around hoping to get more on him in the summer. 15m with a buy back clause is extremely fair.

First off, what are you talking about 'buy-back clause'? Sorry? That doesn't happen. There is not such a thing as a 'buy-back clause' in football. If they existed, why would anyone buy young players? There may be a 'first refusal' option, but I still think such things are stuff of fantasy or, at the very most, gentlemen's agreements. They are not truly viable in modern football and I will bet my life that there is no 'buy-back' clause in the KDB deal.

How could his price drop? It certainly can't get any lower. What? You think they're taking a risk by spending millions on him in January? The best young player of the Bundesliga 12-13? Please... He will stroll into their team and be their shining light. There isn't a better player than him in the Wolfsburg team.

And your comparisons between Piazon and him couldn't be more off the mark. Again, are you honestly comparing the best young player of the Bundesliga 12-13 to Piazon? A 19 year old who was competing against the likes of Isco? Lol, just stop. KDB is not just some youngster from our academy...

[bushman 2,043]

KDB has struggled to play for Chelsea. There is a chance he will leave on a permanent basis if enough cash id offered.

Wolfsburg offered to pay 12m, but cannot go any higher, I read.

Now, I do not get it with Chelsea. Why not accept 12m & let the kid go, so he can continue in his career ?

Bad enough that he has been sitting around for 5 months & now they want to dicker over 2-3 millions ?

[Pizy 18,897]

KDB has struggled to play for Chelsea. There is a chance he will leave on a permanent basis if enough cash id offered.

Wolfsburg offered to pay 12m, but cannot go any higher, I read.

Now, I do not get it with Chelsea. Why not accept 12m & let the kid go, so he can continue in his career ?

Bad enough that he has been sitting around for 5 months & now they want to dicker over 2-3 millions ?

Sympathy and emotion should be kept out of it. This is business.

This is about what's best for Chelsea FC, not Kevin de Bruyne. If feel bad that it hasn't worked out for him but the days of us getting fucked by the likes of Matic and Sturridge moving to other clubs for peanuts and killing it should be over. At least if KdB is sold for a high price it can be used for another good player.

[bushman 2,043]

Sympathy and emotion should be kept out of it. This is business.

This is about what's best for Chelsea FC, not Kevin de Bruyne. If feel bad that it hasn't worked out for him but the days of us getting fucked by the likes of Matic and Sturridge moving to other clubs for peanuts and killing it should be over. At least if KdB is sold for a high price it can be used for another good player.

Business aside. What exactly was KDB promised in the summer, then ? Meanwhile, he ended on the bench. Nobody is stupid enough to pay 20m or so as Chelsea is asking. Bought for 7m & asking 20m ? Lol.

[Sidzeret 2,257]

First off, what are you talking about 'buy-back clause'? Sorry? That doesn't happen. There is not such a thing as a 'buy-back clause' in football. If they existed, why would anyone buy young players? There may be a 'first refusal' option, but I still think such things are stuff of fantasy or, at the very most, gentlemen's agreements. They are not truly viable in modern football and I will bet my life that there is no 'buy-back' clause in the KDB deal.

How could his price drop? It certainly can't get any lower. What? You think they're taking a risk by spending millions on him in January? The best young player of the Bundesliga 12-13? Please... He will stroll into their team and be their shining light. There isn't a better player than him in the Wolfsburg team.

And your comparisons between Piazon and him couldn't be more off the mark. Again, are you honestly comparing the best young player of the Bundesliga 12-13 to Piazon? A 19 year old who was competing against the likes of Isco? Lol, just stop. KDB is not just some youngster from our academy...

Al right, maybe the buy-back clause is not happening.( anyway that wasn't the point I was making)

I'm not saying he is gonna be a flop in the Bundesliga, Its just that I'm not sure if we goes straight into the Wolfsberg first team or any top side for that matter. I really wish he do well but if he isn't able to perform like he did last season with Bremen, then I'm sure we're not even gonna get 12m out to the lad if we decides to sell him next season after a failed loan.

Rather sell him now and give him some stability so that he can perform well this season, if not the next. The thought of being loaned around is very depressing given the talent the kid has. A loan here, half a season on the bench, loan again. That's how you destroy one's career. Sell him, allow him to settle down and look forward to the future.

[bushman 2,043]

Well said. Let the kid to resume his career elsewhere & just sell him for 12m as offered.

[The Mak 4,459]

Al right, maybe the buy-back clause is not happening.( anyway that wasn't the point I was making)

I'm not saying he is gonna be a flop in the Bundesliga, Its just that I'm not sure if we goes straight into the Wolfsberg first team or any top side for that matter. I really wish he do well but if he isn't able to perform like he did last season with Bremen, then I'm sure we're not even gonna get 12m out to the lad if we decides to sell him next season after a failed loan.

Rather sell him now and give him some stability so that he can perform well this season, if not the next. The thought of being loaned around is very depressing given the talent the kid has. A loan here, half a season on the bench, loan again. That's how you destroy one's career. Sell him, allow him to settle down and look forward to the future.

I agree that too many loans and not enough stability can hinder development, but the timing of this loan makes it perfectly acceptable. If he gets loaned, he won't be worried about his long-term career; the only thing he'll be worried about is the World Cup and doing his best to be one of the first names on the team sheet.

If it is simply communicated to him that the loan is simply a short-term solution so he gets on the plane to Brazil and that his future will be sorted in the summer, I'm sure it would be fine. At the end of the day, and as cruel as it may sound, he would be happy with it because he's not really in a position of power here. We would like a solution that is best for both parties but realistically we are still a business as Pizy has said and we want the outcome to favour us more so.

A short-term loan allowing KDB to regain his form in time for the WC while also increasing his asking price would be best overall.

[Mouri_Matic 560]

If we are so sure about him going to become great, throw in a bonus clause then. For example if he scores 20 goals or having more than 10-15 assists in a single season for the next 3 years then we can add on £5-£10m to the original price. So eventually it would end up a good fee if he really becomes that good anyway. For now he look like a £15m player with potential for more, but then again not every player realize their potential.

[Sidzeret 2,257]

If we are so sure about him going to become great, throw in a bonus clause then. For example if he scores 20 goals or having more than 10-15 assists in a single season for the next 3 years then we can add on £5-£10m to the original price. So eventually it would end up a good fee if he really becomes that good anyway. For now he look like a £15m player with potential for more, but then again not every player realize their potential.

Good option but not sure Wolfsburg is big enough to go for such a deal. 15m plus 5-10m add-ons means we are ripping them off.

[Sidzeret 2,257]

I agree that too many loans and not enough stability can hinder development, but the timing of this loan makes it perfectly acceptable. If he gets loaned, he won't be worried about his long-term career; the only thing he'll be worried about is the World Cup and doing his best to be one of the first names on the team sheet.

If it is simply communicated to him that the loan is simply a short-term solution so he gets on the plane to Brazil and that his future will be sorted in the summer, I'm sure it would be fine. At the end of the day, and as cruel as it may sound, he would be happy with it because he's not really in a position of power here. We would like a solution that is best for both parties but realistically we are still a business as Pizy has said and we want the outcome to favour us more so.

A short-term loan allowing KDB to regain his form in time for the WC while also increasing his asking price would be best overall.

Got to agree. The world cup does complicate things a bit.

But I'm against the club making a few millions in profit at the expense of KDB's career.

[The Mak 4,459]

Got to agree. The world cup does complicate things a bit.

But I'm against the club making a few millions in profit at the expense of KDB's career.

I understand completely!

But I just feel that this is the type of stance the club will have to take in future with situations like this considering FFP is looming. I don't think we can just continue to be extorted when buying players and then sell a quality player with massive potential at a cut-price just because he's a nice guy and want what's best for him and his career.

I don't think a price around £25m would be completely unreasonable after the WC. Especially if you consider that Schalke are supposed to putting a price of €40m on Draxler's head, a player not too much younger than KDB and had similar stats to him last season in the Bundesliga despite player playing further forward.

We'll agree to disagree on this point though!

[johnnythefirst 1,076]

You know what would help with the financial fair play rules?
Actually producing quality youngsters every year and then introducing them into the main squad. It's like... FREE players.

;-)

[The Mak 4,459]

You know what would help with the financial fair play rules?

Actually producing quality youngsters every year and then introducing them into the main squad. It's like... FREE players.

;-)

I'd love that too but it's a lot easier said than done at this level!

Arsenal have been trying it for years, but they've won absolutely nothing for 8 years. That sort of time is just not afforded at a club like Chelsea, especially when we have Roman - who sacked Carlo a year after winning the double...

Besides, the fact that Arsenal are beginning to challenge again after going out and spending big bucks for once (Ozil) is no coincidence!