Rumoured Paul Pogba

[Tomo 21,751]

I actually disagree with your comment about us all wanting to see our academy products make it. I think there's plenty of fans who couldn't give a fuck where the players come from so long as we're winning titles.

I don't think that's true, football these days is such a high pressured environment, even Ferguson who's job security was a high as mine on fifa career mode with easy board difficulty, hesitated when it came to playing young players in the last 10 years, with exception of Rafeal, who did he play regularly without a PL loan first? even Wenger (who is widely hailed for his youth integration) wouldn't make Wilshere a trusted first team member until he proved himself at Bolton.

I personally think there has to be a balance between the two, club and supporters meeting in the middle so to speak, club's (not just our's) are ultra cautious while the supporters (in general) would happily chuck any half decent product in at the age of 18. We could probably be able to integrate youngsters if that means no title for a few years, but in the world of FFP, we can just not afford to end up outside the top 4.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Not the supporters I know. In fact I think you're very wrong indeed. Many supporters who followed his progress were mightily impressed with how he did throughout the season and acknowledged that the final was an aberration.

So please yourself.

http://forum.talkchelsea.net/topic/5751-29-nathaniel-chalobah/page-39

Go ahead, read the few pages during and after the final game.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Well one he isn't a defensive midfielder. Hes a box to box midfielder, we already have the second best one in the EPL imo so why buy another? We need a suitable player to play next to Ramires, signing Pogba to be that player would be the same as playing Lamps there, someone who is used to going up and down the pitch supporting the attackers. We'd effectively be filling a square hole with a round peg, we need to get someone to play next to Ramires or play Mikel more frequently.

Gundogan on the other hand is perfect for what we need, he plays as the deepest midfielder for Dortmund effectively, hes the hub of their team, keeps them ticking, controlling the tempo, we need someone like that.

As talented as Pogba is he isn't the answer.

Yes I said if we can't get gundogan, I can hardly find a better option than pogba.

He's not a typical box to box like you are pointing out,(vidal is more of that) his passing is fantastic. He is like yaya toure. His passing range alone will be a massive improvement in our pivot, he has come in to replace pirlo a lot of times and never changed the way juve play with pirlo's absence.

So its unfair to say he's just a box to box.

Look at yaya toure, he can play as a box to box for mancity, and still fit in as a DM fantastically for barcelona.

Pogba is this type of player.

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http://forum.talkchelsea.net/topic/5751-29-nathaniel-chalobah/page-39

Go ahead, read the few pages during and after the final game.

So when you say 'our fans' you mean the people in that particular thread?

I'm not sure if you're being serious or not.

Madmax

Toli

IlyaDamdnodononcdov

Nono

These seem to be the people who blamed him. Most people (like me) saw it as a bad team performance.

Please.

[The only place to be 11,313]

I personally think there has to be a balance between the two, club and supporters meeting in the middle so to speak, club's (not just our's) are ultra cautious while the supporters (in general) would happily chuck any half decent product in at the age of 18. We could probably be able to integrate youngsters if that means no title for a few years, but in the world of FFP, we can just not afford to end up outside the top 4.

We're not talking about a 'half-decent product' here.

As for this meeting in the middle I agree, and we're not even close to that right now.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

So when you say 'our fans' you mean the people in that particular thread?

I'm not sure if you're being serious or not.

Madmax

Toli

IlyaDamdnodononcdov

Nono

These seem to be the people who blamed him. Most people (like me) saw it as a bad team performance.

Please.

There were more people in that thread blaming him than there were defending him. That is a sample of our fans. And yes, those people are as much Chelsea fans as you are.

[Tomo 21,751]

We're not talking about a 'half-decent product' here.

As for this meeting in the middle I agree, and we're not even close to that right now.

I agree and hopefully work will be done on changing that under Jose. Despite the myth that he hates young players, he gave Huth 2 years to prove himself and gave him a fair amount of games despite having the 3 best CB's in the league. He even gave Scott Sinclair his debut in a title decider.

Im aware we are not talking about a 'half decent' product, that comment was more tongue in cheek and not referring to Nathaniel but youth players in general

If we were a midtable club, Chalobah and McEachran would probably be regular's by now, but the problem that would bring, is team's better than us would be sniffing about like a preying mantis.

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There were more people in that thread blaming him than there were defending him. That is a sample of our fans. And yes, those people are as much Chelsea fans as you are.

I don't for a minute believe they are a sampling of the Chelsea supporters...not by a long shot. In fact I think that's a pretty big insult to Chelsea supporters to suggest that.

Some people came into that thread, slagged him off and a few members who know they're stuff defended him. One of the people criticising him said it was the first time he had seen him play.

Please.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

So when you say 'our fans' you mean the people in that particular thread?

I'm not sure if you're being serious or not.

Madmax

Toli

IlyaDamdnodononcdov

Nono

These seem to be the people who blamed him. Most people (like me) saw it as a bad team performance.

Please.

You still can't get away from the fact that significant number of fans will jump on him as an easy target if we are not doing well.

The best option is to integrate him slowly especially as lamps and essien will both vacate that position for him.

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You still can't get away from the fact that significant number of fans will jump on him as an easy target if we are not doing well.

The best option is to integrate him slowly especially as lamps and essien will both vacate that position for him.

Well the problem with that fact is it's not a fact. It's your opinion, and I'm not entirely sure what it's based on. Don't confuse TalkChelsea with Stamford Bridge because they are vastly different places.

As a young player I think he'd get a massive amount of support. The Chelsea support is knowledgable enough to know just how special this kid is, and being English helps as well. He'd get a lot of leeway and I doubt he'd be expected to carry the team from the off.

The signing of Pogba simply puts one more player in front of him and that could damage his prospects immensely.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I don't for a minute believe they are a sampling of the Chelsea supporters...not by a long shot. In fact I think that's a pretty big insult to Chelsea supporters to suggest that.

Some people came into that thread, slagged him off and a few members who know they're stuff defended him. One of the people criticising him said it was the first time he had seen him play.

Please.

"People who know their football" LMAO You mean people who said that he'd be with Englnad's senior WC squad next year or that it is unimaginable that Nathanial will not be playing in the PL this season?

Get off your high-horse..

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

Yes I said if we can't get gundogan, I can hardly find a better option than pogba.

He's not a typical box to box like you are pointing out,(vidal is more of that) his passing is fantastic. He is like yaya toure. His passing range alone will be a massive improvement in our pivot, he has come in to replace pirlo a lot of times and never changed the way juve play with pirlo's absence.

So its unfair to say he's just a box to box.

Look at yaya toure, he can play as a box to box for mancity, and still fit in as a DM fantastically for barcelona.

Pogba is this type of player.

Toure is a terrible DM. Hence why Guardiola got rid of him from that position as soon as he took charge. He lacked discipline and tactical awareness, hes a box to box midfielder, he likes to push up and support attacks, hence why Mancini played Gareth Barry or Javi Garcia or Jack Rodwell next to him; to allow him to go and play further up. Same with Fernandinho partnering him under Pellegrini.

I've been watching Juve this season, Pogba is better suited to the box to box position he usually plays for Juve. Sure hes came in for Pirlo and played in front of the back 3 so Andrea can rest but hes not a natural fit there, not yet anyway. If he was to become more accustomed in that role for Juve over the next few year then sure why not but we should not be spending anything over 30m for a player whose best in a box to box position to retrain as a deep lying playmaker. It would be like spending 40m on someone like Julian Draxler to turn him into a striker because he has a good long range shot from distance, decent finisher in general, good link up play and he's 6 ft ....

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"People who know their football" LMAO You mean people who said that he'd be with Englnad's senior WC squad next year or that it is unimaginable that Nathanial will not be playing in the PL this season?

Get off your high-horse..

I believe I said he had a chance at being a bolter for the squad if he got a Premier League loan...maybe I'm mistaken or maybe you're just lying.

As for the posters who defended him, I'd say absolutely they're far more knowledgeable and far more representative of the Chelsea support than the posters who were laying into Nat, at least in my experience of following this club. Your's may differ slightly.

Losing Pogba must be a horrible thought for a Juventus supporter though. He's been a big player for you guys hasn't he?

[kellzfresh 7,229]

The signing of Pogba simply puts one more player in front of him and that could damage his prospects immensely.

With lamps and essien leaving, with MVG surely going (on loan to recover from that injury) it leaves enough space for chalobah to be a direct substitute for pogba or ramires.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Toure is a terrible DM. Hence why Guardiola got rid of him from that position as soon as he took charge. He lacked discipline and tactical awareness, hes a box to box midfielder, he likes to push up and support attacks, hence why Mancini played Gareth Barry or Javi Garcia or Jack Rodwell next to him; to allow him to go and play further up. Same with Fernandinho partnering him under Pellegrini.

I've been watching Juve this season, Pogba is better suited to the box to box position he usually plays for Juve. Sure hes came in for Pirlo and played in front of the back 3 so Andrea can rest but hes not a natural fit there, not yet anyway. If he was to become more accustomed in that role for Juve over the next few year then sure why not but we should not be spending anything over 30m for a player whose best in a box to box position to retrain as a deep lying playmaker. It would be like spending 40m on someone like Julian Draxler to turn him into a striker because he has a good long range shot from distance, decent finisher in general, good link up play and he's 6 ft ....

The most successful season for barcelona came with yaya toure as DM.

I don't know how to explain to you anymore on how pogba will be a good DM for us. So let's agree to disagree.

But which 2 players will you want us to get if we don't get gundogan?

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

The most successful season for barcelona came with yaya toure as DM.

I don't know how to explain to you anymore on how pogba will be a good DM for us. So let's agree to disagree.

But which 2 players will you want us to get if we don't get gundogan?

The 2008-09 season where they won the treble Busquets (his first season in the senior team) and Toure started more or less the same amount of games, Toure played at CB in various games too due to Puyols dodgy fitness. Season 2009-10 where they won 6 trophies, Busquets made 51 appearances and Toure 36 appearances, then the season after he was sold. Watch how he plays for City and how Busquets plays for Barca, watch how disciplined and aware Busquets is, Toure is never like that. Toure is a box to box, Toure isn't a DM. Hence Mancini using Barry to cover for his tactical and awareness faults next to him.

Anyway to answer your question, Modric or Mateo Kovacic (has so much potential, can be a magnificent player).

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I believe I said he had a chance at being a bolter for the squad if he got a Premier League loan...maybe I'm mistaken or maybe you're just lying.

As for the posters who defended him, I'd say absolutely they're far more knowledgeable and far more representative of the Chelsea support than the posters who were laying into Nat, at least in my experience of following this club. Your's may differ slightly.

Losing Pogba must be a horrible thought for a Juventus supporter though. He's been a big player for you guys hasn't he?

Bolter for the WC squad? He can't make the starting XI of the England U21 team

And you're actually saying that we should not sign Pogba, who is a nailed on starter for Juve and France, because he would hinder Nathanial's development? By the time Nathanial is ready to be a first team player at Chelsea we will surely have bought a CM, if not two, regardless if it is Pogba or not. Top teams wait for no one. If Nathanial is good enough, he'll force his way into the first team over the options we already have just like Pogba forced his way into Juve over the likes of Marchisio and Giacherrini.

I would absolutely love Pogba here. One of the best prospects in the world. If we do have a chance to sign him, it really is a no-brainer. But I find it very unlikely in the next year or two.

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And you're actually saying that we should sign Pogba, who is a nailed on starter for Juve and France, because he would hinder Nathanial's development?

Actually I was saying it would represent a lot of what I think is wrong with the club right now.

I like Pogba as a player and I think he'd be a massive loss for your club, but I'd really rather see us give Nat a chance because I think he'd take it with both hands and would get plenty of support from the crowd. You think differently based on what Toli and Madmax said and that's fine - we all go by our own experiences after all and your's and mine are clearly a bit different.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Actually I was saying it would represent a lot of what I think is wrong with the club right now.

I like Pogba as a player and I think he'd be a massive loss for your club, but I'd really rather see us give Nat a chance because I think he'd take it with both hands.

Well, Chelsea giving Nathanial a role with first team atm is about as likely as him making England's WC squad. And that has nothing to do with Pogba or any CM we sign in the next two transfer windows.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Modric or Xabi Alonso. Even Montolivo could be decent, hes got the skillset, played deep for Fiorentina and Italy then Alegri decided to play him a bit further up.

I mean available players. Madrid suddenly love modric so he's not going anywhere soon. Montolivo is a no-no for me. He's over rated in my opinion.