Rumoured Paul Pogba

[Yeboii 1,844]

To me it just seems like not long ago, Pogba was a player with a ton of potential and physical tools. In Loftus-Cheek and Chalobah we have exactly those same types of player.

What the fuck is the point in an academy if we're just going to ignore these players and sign players who were given a chance by a fairly big European side?

Juventus is more than fairly big..

However Pogba is too good to turn down if we can get him

[The Skipper 20,609]

To me it just seems like not long ago, Pogba was a player with a ton of potential and physical tools. In Loftus-Cheek and Chalobah we have exactly those same types of player.

What the fuck is the point in an academy if we're just going to ignore these players and sign players who were given a chance by a fairly big European side?

Lampard's on his last few legs - so is Essien. That automatically opens up two spots in the squad in the very near future. I'd imagine Chalobah filling in one of those naturally.

Pogba is miles ahead in his development than Nat, and RLC is far behind Nat so they aren't really comparable atm. Let's say we sign Pogba - it wouldn't really affect Nat IMO. In the very near future our midfield options would look something like (realistically):

Ramires, Pogba, Chalobah, Mikel, MVG.

Which is very solid IMO. Pogba is better offensively than Nat, I'm not sure that Nat will develop that side of his game yet, but they could in the future easily be our engine room. A Pogba - Chalobah pivot looks awesome in theory.

I would definitely love this signing, and I really don't think it'll prohibit Nat.

[The Skipper 20,609]

Even if Pogba was a starter at Chelsea, he wouldn't solve our midfield problems.

We would still lack someone capable of sitting back and controlling the tempo of the match.

I see what you mean but honestly if Oscar keeps developing his game - he's very effective at connecting the whole team - something like a very dynamic Pogba - Ramires pivot could be outstanding. Pogba isn't a shabby passer either so if we did have the opportunity to sign him I'd take it.

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Lampard's on his last few legs - so is Essien. That automatically opens up two spots in the squad in the very near future. I'd imagine Chalobah filling in one of those naturally.

Pogba is miles ahead in his development than Nat, and RLC is far behind Nat so they aren't really comparable atm. Let's say we sign Pogba - it wouldn't really affect Nat IMO. In the very near future our midfield options would look something like (realistically):

Ramires, Pogba, Chalobah, Mikel, MVG.

Which is very solid IMO. Pogba is better offensively than Nat, I'm not sure that Nat will develop that side of his game yet, but they could in the future easily be our engine room. A Pogba - Chalobah pivot looks awesome in theory.

I would definitely love this signing, and I really don't think it'll prohibit Nat.

I think it absolutely will inhibit his development because you're buying a very similar player to slot in beside Ramires when you also have Van Ginkel coming back as well as Loftus-Cheek looking for minutes.

That's four players aged between 21 and 18 looking for minutes alongsides a 26 year old Ramires.

I think it would absolutely sum up the culture at Chelsea at the moment. Pogba is further along in his development partly because of his age, but also because a club, it's coaches and it's supporters had the will and the balls to give a young guy a chance and support him.

But that sounds like too much hard work and uncertainty for us...let's just start printing his name on plastic flags.

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if it hinders the development of the players in the academy playing in the exact same role, I'd rather not spend too much money on bringing him in. Juventus will over-price him anyways.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

To me it just seems like not long ago, Pogba was a player with a ton of potential and physical tools. In Loftus-Cheek and Chalobah we have exactly those same types of player.

What the fuck is the point in an academy if we're just going to ignore these players and sign players who were given a chance by a fairly big European side?

Yes, did you see how pogba got into the juve team?

He was behind pirlo, marchisio and vidal as the substitute player.

Then he started the less important matches and came on when they were 3-0 up in matches.

Right now our central midfielders are not good enough to control matches, only ramires

is world class in his role. We can't just throw him in there to solve the situation and hope we qualify for champions league.

By the way I'd say all of that about Chalobah. The guy just needs a fucking chance but that's just not the Chelsea way anymore is it.

Let's just throw money at it. Who gives a fuck whether we actually develop players that the average supporter can feel some type of connection with, who they can watch develop through the ranks and feel like one of 'us'.

Ha ha...look at all those mugs who turn up to youth team games with the naive thought that the kids working their bollocks off for a chance might actually get one. Chalobah's even got one of them there funny foreign sounding names but that's not enough. We can't take a chance with the kids...they have to be proven players who guarantee us wins. Soulless, plastic commodities for soulless plastic....well, you get the idea.

Well its not as plain as you are making it out to be.

Look at what happened to sturridge, he was booed at some games with us. The pressure to perform. In chelsea is high.

If we are not winning games when chalobah is playing, the fans will find a scape goat and he'll be an easy target for criticism.

If we buy a world class player beside ramires (maybe after lampard and essien leaves) he can come from the bench with mikel. Play matches without pressure and show his talent properly.

That is my point of view on how it should be.

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If we are not winning games when chalobah is playing, the fans will find a scape goat and he'll be an easy target for criticism.

I disagree. That isn't the way our crowd works.

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That is my point of view on how it should be.

I couldn't disagree more. I think young players should be given a chance and fuck the plastic cunts in the crowd who boo them if they aren't perfect first time because they're the minority. The vast majority of Chelsea supporters want to see young guys come through the ranks.

Football isn't just about winning and losing - it's about developing relationships with the PLAYERS on the pitch. John Terry is so close to the supporters' hearts because he is Chelsea through and through - the same goes for Nat Chalobah. He should be given the chance to prove himself rather than buying a guy who was just as good at youth level despite being two years older.

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I disagree. That isn't the way our crowd works.

Well it happened to sturridge, happened to kalou, happened to drogba.

The players that the fans are unsure of in our team will face this during "bad moments"

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Well it happened to sturridge, happened to kalou, happened to drogba.

The players that have the most uncertainties in our team will face this during "bad moments"

A small minority boos a couple of players and we decide not to give young players a chance?

Drogba was booed for constantly diving by the way - he stopped it and became a better player.

But oh no...what if someone boos Pogba? Best not sign him just in case.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

I couldn't disagree more. I think young players should be given a chance and fuck the plastic cunts in the crowd who boo them if they aren't perfect first time because they're the minority. The vast majority of Chelsea supporters want to see young guys come through the ranks.

Football isn't just about winning and losing - it's about developing relationships with the PLAYERS on the pitch. John Terry is so close to the supporters' hearts because he is Chelsea through and through - the same goes for Nat Chalobah. He should be given the chance to prove himself rather than buying a guy who was just as good at youth level despite being two years older.

I understand you, we all love terry. Especially when he got the captain's band.

He can only get his chance when

1. Lampard and essien leaves

2. We have a world class pivot combination, with him as a direct sub for a year or two

That's how I see his future, because I can't imagine him just being thrown in to start when lamps and essien leaves.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

I couldn't disagree more. I think young players should be given a chance and fuck the plastic cunts in the crowd who boo them if they aren't perfect first time because they're the minority. The vast majority of Chelsea supporters want to see young guys come through the ranks.

Football isn't just about winning and losing - it's about developing relationships with the PLAYERS on the pitch. John Terry is so close to the supporters' hearts because he is Chelsea through and through - the same goes for Nat Chalobah. He should be given the chance to prove himself rather than buying a guy who was just as good at youth level despite being two years older.

I understand you, we all love terry. Especially when he got the captain's band.

He can only get his chance when

1. Lampard and essien leaves

2. We have a world class pivot combination, with him as a direct sub for a year or two

That's how I see his future, because I can't imagine him just being thrown in to start when lamps and essien leaves.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

A small minority boos a couple of players and we decide not to give young players a chance?

Drogba was booed for constantly diving by the way - he stopped it and became a better player.

But oh no...what if someone boos Pogba? Best not sign him just in case.

What I meant is that, chalobah is an easier target for criticism at his young age than any other player.

[The Skipper 20,609]

I understand you, we all love terry. Especially when he got the captain's band.

He can only get his chance when

1. Lampard and essien leaves

2. We have a world class pivot combination, with him as a direct sub for a year or two

That's how I see his future, because I can't imagine him just being thrown in to start when lamps and essien leaves.

This is how I see it as well.

Nothing wrong with having Chalobah as next in line as the 3rd choice CM. He'd still get plenty of game time.

I understand TOPTB's qualms, we all want to see our academy products make it, but I seriously don't think signing an extra midfielder who would start alongside Ramires would hamper Chalobah. If anything I wouldn't want Nat to be thrown into the deep end simply because it's a lot better if he become a gradual starter over a span of two years or so - but as said before, being 3rd choice would still get him plenty of game time.

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I understand you, we all love terry. Especially when he got the captain's band.

He can only get his chance when

1. Lampard and essien leaves

2. We have a world class pivot combination, with him as a direct sub for a year or two

That's how I see his future, because I can't imagine him just being thrown in to start when lamps and essien leaves.

He shouldn't be thrown in to start but he should be given a chance to fight for that spot. Buying another young player for a lot of money is just a bizarre move to make when Nat has shown so much already.

This is a guy touted for England and Chelsea's captaincy and he had a great season with Watford, but this year he's been sent to a worse Championship team. It's a fucking joke and buying Pogba simply compounds it in my opinion.

What I meant is that, chalobah is an easier target for criticism at his young age than any other player.

I know what you meant. Still think it's completely wrong.

This is how I see it as well.

Nothing wrong with having Chalobah as next in line as the 3rd choice CM. He'd still get plenty of game time.

I understand TOPTB's qualms, we all want to see our academy products make it, but I seriously don't think signing an extra midfielder who would start alongside Ramires would hamper Chalobah. If anything I wouldn't want Nat to be thrown into the deep end simply because it's a lot better if he become a gradual starter over a span of two years or so - but as said before, being 3rd choice would still get him plenty of game time.

So where's Van Ginkel in this? And Mikel? And Loftus-Cheek?

I actually disagree with your comment about us all wanting to see our academy products make it. I think there's plenty of fans who couldn't give a fuck where the players come from so long as we're winning titles.