Rumoured Paul Pogba

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

What? We've seen it up close and personal over the last few seasons in the PL. Hazard, Suarez, Bale, and RvP to name a few. They each did it throughout an entire season.

I disagree. Goals aren't the only way to dominate a game. Yaya toure is a perfect example of how a player can impact a game without scoring a boatload of goals. Pogba is of the ilk.

Having said that I don't think anyone player can dominate a game... At least not on a consistent level. Goals are huge but there are more aspects of a game that impact the outcome.

[Essien19 1,415]

5 hours ago, petre.ispirescu said:

I do agree with you, but at the same time I think this theory (expensive players almost always end up being the best) goes mainly for household names. Yes, Paul Pogba is probably in TOP 10 most known football players ATM, but for me not a world-class player. Not yet. 

Not saying he will not live up to the expectations, could end up being the best midfielder that has ever played this game, or could flop big time, nobody knows that. What I am trying to say is that now, 7th of July 2016, for me, Pogba is more of a huge talent, a diamond waiting to be polished, rather that a household name.

When Cristiano Ronaldo and Gareth Bale were transfered by Real Madrid for record breaking transfers, they were already huge players for their respective teams, coming off a sensational season. Pogba? I dont know. Is he even Juve's best player? By worldwide recognition probably, but in terms of influence? Is he really the catalyst in that team? 

For me, for a midfielder to demand such a high amount of money, he must be someone in the mould of Andres Iniesta, Xavi Hernandez or Luka Modric, someone majestic, with a lot of flair, that has this natural ability to be a leader on the pitch, to dictate the tempo, to be so smooth in possession that when you watch a football game you are left for words, amazed by their elegance. 

At the age of 23 Ronaldo had pocketed a Champions-League winner's medal and been voted best player in the world. Pogba can't compete with that, admittedly though, far from a shame. What's up with the Pogs? A multiple winner of the Seria A, played a Champions-League final and now one of the reasons why his country plays in another European final. I liked what i saw last season. Point is, i think a comparison with Bale might come in handy. As good as Bale was at Spurs, he didn't win a thing and couldn't reach a European final, it was all for nothing and in Madrid, he went through some rough spells. He still needed time, but finally he has stepped it up, Euros show how he's matured. He wasn't always known as a leader, but these days, one could hardly argue against it, imo. I argue that Pogba isn't far off, controversial.

What i give you is that it could be questioned whether or not Pogba is a 'specialist'. In which area of expertise has the boy graduated?! Some people say he's a jack of all traits, master of none. Still, the ability to provide that one pass that splits the whole defense wide open, simply the moment of surprise, combined with a lot of other stuff is worth a lot of money. Frank Lampard is a unique player, the better player in the end (Lamps got the brains), but Pogba could master in a similar field, imo.

I'm having a hunch that you're of the opinion that Pogba isn't a 100 mil. player. That's one opinion, maybe he's a bit of a luxury player, i get that. Furthermore you look most times for different things in midfielders, Pogba can't become a Xavi, but maybe he can pick up some traits of Iniesta. A long way to go, sure. As you've mentioned, personally i have been impressed with Kroos, he makes teams tick, maybe for him you would pay 100 mil. bucks.
 

[Chelsea4 1,521]

These are players that are better than Pogba(only midfielders):Kroos,Modric,Busqets,Iniesta,Matuidi,Verrati,Vidal and there are more.

[Spike 12,049]

6 minutes ago, Chelsea4 said:

These are players that are better than Pogba(only midfielders):Kroos,Modric,Busqets,Iniesta,Matuidi,Verrati,Vidal and there are more.

I don't think many of these players are comparable! I'd put Kroos, Modric, Verrati in one style. Vidal and Matuidi in another. Iniesta, Busquets and Pogba in their very own. To be frank, the player Pogba reminds me most of is Yaya Toure at Man City, the version that never bothered to defend and was a powerful offensive midfielder. 

[Chelsea4 1,521]

2 minutes ago, Spike said:

I don't think many of these players are comparable! I'd put Kroos, Modric, Verrati in one style. Vidal and Matuidi in another. Iniesta, Busquets and Pogba in their very own. To be frank, the player Pogba reminds me most of is Yaya Toure at Man City, the version that never bothered to defend and was a powerful offensive midfielder. 

You can't find players who are exactly the same those player play the same position and they are all better than Pogba.

[Azpinator 2,325]

I don't wanna say "overrated", but he's probably the most overpriced player in the history of the game.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

7 hours ago, Azpinator said:

I don't wanna say "overrated", but he's probably the most overpriced player in the history of the game.

Exactly, good player but 100mil??? no where near above 60mil imo

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

On 7/8/2016 at 1:52 AM, Essien19 said:

I'm having a hunch that you're of the opinion that Pogba isn't a 100 mil. player. That's one opinion, maybe he's a bit of a luxury player, i get that. Furthermore you look most times for different things in midfielders, Pogba can't become a Xavi, but maybe he can pick up some traits of Iniesta. A long way to go, sure. As you've mentioned, personally i have been impressed with Kroos, he makes teams tick, maybe for him you would pay 100 mil. bucks.
 

 

Yes, bravo, Toni Kroos another good example. Although slow as a boat, but can control the midfield with ease. 

You saw last night what I was talking about -regarding Pogba. Portugal played incredibly deep and w/o their star man -it was the perfect chance for Pogba to shine and prove doubters like me that he is worth the big money.

What other chance if not the big Final of the European tournament played in your own country. He was gash for pretty much the entire tournament, last night it was his chance to shine and, why not, maybe add a few more bucks to his United contract, too.

But IMO he blew it and frankly Matuidi and Sissoko looked way better than him. Maybe not in terms of quality, but it terms of their involvement in the game.

For me this is what a 100m player has to do -to be the 1st violin, to take the game by the scruff of the neck, impose yourself as the general, the multimillion superstar. Especially in a 4-4-2 system and a midfield two with Matuidi where clearly one of the two midfielders has to go forward and show his leadership. And that midfielder for me had to be Pogba last night, but unfortunately he was not.

Like I said, I do not want to sound stupid, the talent is there, the amazing ability, but at the same time we cannot deny that PROBABLY he was made to look that good because of Juventus' midfielders, too. 

With Pirlo, Arturo Vidal, Marchisio et al, he was never made to be the midfield general, the pressure was not that big, flourished in their shadow. But at United it will be completely different -with Rooney no. 10 and another defensive minded midfielder (a la Matic), Pogba will have to be the main creative midfielder and step up his game, otherwise the English media will be eating him alive.

[jernej93 569]

I might be stupid but I think Pogba is overrated unless he dramatically improves his workrate and dedication. He often looks like lazy bas*ard. I am not surprised that SAF sold him. He had 1 or 2 good games at Euro, right after he was benched in second game. 

[Fernando 6,585]

Real Madrid out of race to sign Paul Pogba – Sky sources

 

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10497605/real-madrid-out-of-race-to-sign-paul-pogba-8211-sky-sources

[xPetrCechx 13,570]

1 hour ago, Fernando said:

Real Madrid out of race to sign Paul Pogba – Sky sources

 

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10497605/real-madrid-out-of-race-to-sign-paul-pogba-8211-sky-sources

at least they are clever enough to not pay 120 mil for him.

[Essien19 1,415]

4 hours ago, petre.ispirescu said:

Yes, bravo, Toni Kroos another good example. Although slow as a boat, but can control the midfield with ease. 

You saw last night what I was talking about -regarding Pogba. Portugal played incredibly deep and w/o their star man -it was the perfect chance for Pogba to shine and prove doubters like me that he is worth the big money.

What other chance if not the big Final of the European tournament played in your own country. He was gash for pretty much the entire tournament, last night it was his chance to shine and, why not, maybe add a few more bucks to his United contract, too.

But IMO he blew it and frankly Matuidi and Sissoko looked way better than him. Maybe not in terms of quality, but it terms of their involvement in the game.

For me this is what a 100m player has to do -to be the 1st violin, to take the game by the scruff of the neck, impose yourself as the general, the multimillion superstar. Especially in a 4-4-2 system and a midfield two with Matuidi where clearly one of the two midfielders has to go forward and show his leadership. And that midfielder for me had to be Pogba last night, but unfortunately he was not.

Like I said, I do not want to sound stupid, the talent is there, the amazing ability, but at the same time we cannot deny that PROBABLY he was made to look that good because of Juventus' midfielders, too. 

With Pirlo, Arturo Vidal, Marchisio et al, he was never made to be the midfield general, the pressure was not that big, flourished in their shadow. But at United it will be completely different -with Rooney no. 10 and another defensive minded midfielder (a la Matic), Pogba will have to be the main creative midfielder and step up his game, otherwise the English media will be eating him alive.

To be fair i've never thought that Pogba is suited to a deep-lying role. It's difficult for him to dictate play there, too much defensive work, too far away from the box and unable to make the most of his shooting ability. Moreover he didn't get on the ball as often as he'd liked. But yes, you do have a point there, he should have done better.

You said Matuidi and Sissoko looked way better than him, i get where you're coming from, but the two of them failed to stop Eder from shooting, Pogba was livid and because of that feck up, he had every right to be. More or less, cost France the game! No matter what, that takes away a lot of praise, at least in my eyes. Matuidi isn't the player he once was, he has become a liability, can't understand why Deschamps decided to stick with him, instead of Kanté. National managers...different discussion.

Maybe one could say that the Pog should improve his mentality. He comes across as arrogant and/or self confident, remember when he took on Fergie and was just about 18 years old. That's not normal! Juve sold the likes of Vidal and Pirlo. On top of that Marchisio isn't always there to play. Last season Pog really stepped it up. At the moment he isn't not running through a brick wall for neither his team nor his manager. He needs defensive cover to thrive, which suggests he'd play as the most advanced of a midfield three. When Deschamps decided to bring on Kanté against Germany which saved him from some of the defensive duties and guess what?! He immediataley looked better, imo.

If played in a more advanced role and given the freedom he needs, he'll be the driving force of any midfield: bombing forward, dribbling, doing the unexpected, pulling off a 30 yard screamer now and then. Which team can really do without such a player? Therefore i can't see a midfield of two and a number 10 in front of him for a long time, but if it were to happen as you've said, yeah, the Pog could be in trouble. But i wouldn't predict that outcome! I stand by comparison between Lamps and Pog: Lampard got the better mentality, Pogba is technically speaking superior. I think Mourinho intends to use him similar like he did with Lamps. Can see that one working out well. If the team plays to his strengths, he makes most teams in the world better. He offers a decade worth of service, he'll be worth the money, imo. I think English media will love his style, don't forget that he plays for Manchester United and he's attacking minded, why should it go wrong?

[the wes 7,212]

Pogba could stay at Juventus, according to his agent Mino Raiola.

[Kezza 1,965]

Unless Utd drop 125mil, can't see much happening in the next couple of weeks at least

[!Hazard! 3,394]

5 hours ago, the wes said:

Pogba could stay at Juventus, according to his agent Mino Raiola.

As if Raiola wants that to happen. That sneaky bastard will say anything to get his usual 10% of the deal. I have a very strong feeling that Pogba will end up in ManU. The club needs to make a statement to show its power in terms of attracting the best talent and Mourinho is very keen on having Pogba-type player in his midfield.