🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Gary Cahill

[ChelseasMessiah 304]

Did well him JT and Cech the only players to emerge with credit under that onslaught . They had no protection whatsoever .

Did well? Have you seen his distribution? Where the fuck was he for the goal? He's a fucking hunk of shit of a defender, the sooner he's gone the better. His twin at Spurs, Dawson, are two fucking midtable fodders, who have nothing going for them as footballers, the problem is one of them plays for us.

[Phil Driver 503]

We complain we are constantly under pressure, but playing a deep and very slow defense line has nothing to do with that...

Perhaps they could/should have helped keep the football a bit longer?

I blame the pivot for that we defended well under immense pressure and they got no protection from our sitter it was a night for him to star and he was nowhere.

[didierforever 7,349]

We complain that we are constantly under pressure, but playing a deep and very slow defense line has nothing to do with that...

Perhaps they could/should have helped keep the football a bit longer?

very true. lamps and rambo were giving the ball away every time they touched it. etoo could not hold the ball upfront if his life depended on it. mikel was playing literally as a 3rd CB, oscar was not in the game at all but our CBs should try and play out of our own box. brilliant!!!!

[robsblubot 3,595]

I blame the pivot for that we defended well under immense pressure and they got no protection from our sitter it was a night for him to star and he was nowhere.

Sure, but if we go by arithmetic alone, we can't possible win the midfield battle with either the 3 we played today or the 2 we play when using the 4-2-3-1... so the additional midfielders must come from somewhere during a match... it's all dynamic. When David plays he has the quality to join in the midfield and add that additional player there. Same with Oscar who has the work rate to perform the defensive tasks.

The game is not that static that you can blame a particular area or section for say lack of possession. Keeping the ball, is the responsibility of all players, including the defenders. Look at WHU how poorly their defenders kept (or didn't) the football and how Oscar and others would win it back over and over again... that's quality, or lack thereof, right there. That's why I called WHU shitty and think they are indeed a terrible side with too many technically inapt players.

Back to our defensive pairing... they are fine if you want to play a deep defense line, which makes it difficult to play any way other than counter-attacking football. Same goes for England with their current selections.

didier... also, I'd not blame Lampard that much either. You can only pass the football when you have someone to pass to. It's up to the opponent to not give you the option; which Basel were able to do and WHU were not able to do before.

[Phil Driver 503]

Didnt their goal come from our defender being caught too far up the pitch and a long ball in behind him to run on to ?

Strange that you think we were to deep and with Mikel sitting very deep it pushes the whole back four deeper.

[robsblubot 3,595]

Didnt their goal come from our defender being caught too far up the pitch and a long ball in behind him to run on to ?

Strange that you think we were to deep and with Mikel sitting very deep it pushes the whole back four deeper.

no, not that strange at all...

[Phil Driver 503]

Ah so did the goal come because we were to deep or to high up the pitch ?

[robsblubot 3,595]

Ah so did the goal come because we were to deep or to high up the pitch ?

You have to make up your mind at some point: do you want to play football, have possession, attack, or just NOT concede goals.

I know what I want, and playing two stoic defenders is certainly not part of it. See I'm not even talking about quality, technique, but rather characteristics.

Iva is not the fastest guy either, so between the 2 CBs and Iva, I'd certainly keep them very deep... but I'm not talking about the goal. Scoring or conceding is a consequence of your play, or so I've learned.

[Phil Driver 503]

You want Luiz and he has a lot to learn ,but he will and could be great for us ,at the moment he has not earned his place and he was injured tonight,I dont know how ?

[robsblubot 3,595]

You want Luiz and he has a lot to learn ,but he will and could be great for us ,at the moment he has not earned his place and he was injured tonight,I dont know how ?

Luiz certainly has the quality I've mentioned, but I don't want necessarily Luiz, but a guy like Luiz. Ferdinand was like that back then when he got legs. Phil Jones is like that now, like him very much. There are many ball playing defenders out there. Technically speaking David is probably the very best one, but then he does lack some concentration, and like you say is a work in progress.

I just dislike, and always have, pairing CBs with the same characteristics; it's redundant.

[Phil Driver 503]

Listen if Luiz was the player he promises to be ,he would be like Beckanbauer he has that ability ,I see it .

[ChelseasMessiah 304]

Watching their goal again, this fucking hunk of shit did what he always does, fuck all, and let Salah just walk at will past him and shoot. What a fucking clown!

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Granted Iva was the obvious main culprit, but Cahill didn't exactly cover himself in glory in the goal:

In an ideal situation, he should have been 2-3 yards deeper, on level with JT who holds the line. But in this case, he should also have realized that Basel did not have any strikers here and the main threat on his side was Salah making that run outside of Iva and so he should have even been a couple of yards deeper than JT.

Again, Iva is obviously the main culprit, but if Cahill's positioning was correct he could have recovered. I'm only bringing this up, because only 2 minutes before the goal, he got caught out by a similar long ball while he was terribly out of position (except that time, the runner was between him and Iva) and we were let off the hook by a bad first touch by the attacker. His positioning issues are a disaster waiting to happen against teams with good runners.

Watching their goal again, this fucking hunk of shit did what he always does, fuck all, and let Salah just walk at will past him and shoot. What a fucking clown!

Look, I understand your frustration, I'm criticizing him as well, but do we need to stoop to the level of insulting our own players? Let's keep the discussion as civil as possible, please.

[ChelseasMessiah 304]

He's not a Chelsea player in my books, he's nothing but a midtable fodder who's got no business whatsoever being here.

[Henrique 9,133]

Even tough a poor defender, I have to admit he is really good with his head in set pieces.

[Phil Driver 503]

Even tough a poor defender, I have to admit he is really good with his head in set pieces.

Desperate stuff............................

[Phil Driver 503]

Him and JT have the shirts ,very solid and the goals are a welcome bonus. The centre back pairing looks decided for Christmas and the new year .

[The Skipper 20,609]

Him and JT have the shirts ,very solid and the goals are a welcome bonus. The centre back pairing looks decided for Christmas and the new year .

Luiz has been out injured.

[Phil Driver 503]

Luiz has been out injured.

Dropped after his awful error v Cardiff ,try to keep up ,injured recently .

[The Skipper 20,609]

Dropped after his awful error v Cardiff ,try to keep up ,injured recently .

Justifiably so (even though he has participated in 3 games since that) but he's been injured in the last week so understandably he's missed our last two games but I really wouldn't go as far as saying that the CB partnership has been established for the next 10+ games.