Frank Lampard

[super_frank8 186]

@super_frank8, Mate, I appreciate your enthusiasm for Frank and you bring up very valid points: he can still contribute, Luiz & Lamps looks promising, he is already a legend at this club and yes, letting Drogba go was a massive mistake, and I'm not just saying it in retrospection.

However, I believe your love for Frank is blinding you a bit...I said:

And you responded with:

Dude, I'm agreeing with you.

I just do not believe Frank, a 34yr old, should be on 150k a week. It's just not logical considering the obvious points I have mentioned. Just as an example, I'm pretty sure Giggs and Scholes' wages fall around the 70k mark, which is fair. So I do not understand why you seem to be fighting for Frank's wages?

If Frank really is everything you say he is, and I love him to bits myself (I was the most happy for him in Munich), there should be no problem over money; because Frank is a legend at this club, so it should be about more than just money, correct? It's about playing for your club, doing whats best for your club; because no one man is bigger than the club, right? We love Frank, he loves us. If a fair contract is offered to him, there shouldn't be a problem; but I'm afraid that's down to the board, and I hope they make the right, fair, decision.

Well I simply disagree that he can even be considered in the same class as Giggs & Scholes, because not only is he a few years younger than them, but he is a significantly better player & also has far better fitness & stamina than either of them. They are most definite has-beens in my books - still great players, indisputable club legends - & continue to contribute to the team with occasional flashes of former-brilliance in their cameo roles - but they are without a shadow of a doubt past their best days simply because age has finally caught up to them after all of these years. Unless they're coming on as subs, they do look a little haggard & as if they have run out of steam towards the tail ends of their shifts in intense matches. That's why Fergie hasn't been using them as often as he did last season, because they are essentially bench-warmerss nowadays rather than trustworthy potent weapons on the pitch. This is nowhere near the case for Frank. Maybe you see it differently, but I certainly don't & Frank certainly doesn't believe that is the case either.

He may not be the same player he used to be, but he is by no means a waning old greyhound either. He still has the ability to perform at the very top level at Chelsea - & even the the fat fool Benitez recognises just how vital he is to the team. To even consider halving his wages cut in half is absolutely preposterous. Of course in real life terms that means nothing to his overall financial security, he's made plenty of money already in his time here, we all know that - however considering what he has done for the club & the player that he still remains today - he does not in any way deserve to have his wages cut by any percentage. You can use his age as justification behind your opinion all you want - but for me, that is just a number & by no means a reflection of what he still has to offer this club as a player.

Let me put it to you this way - Steven Gerrard earns 140 grand a week & is probably about to sign a new contract that is going to extend his current deal beyond 2015 - http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/dec/23/liverpool-steven-gerrard-contract-new. That is how we should be treating our legends. Now considering Lampard is a better player than him & especially nowadays is undoubtedly declining at a far less rapid rate in comparison to his scouse counter-part who is two years younger, how you can even attempt to convince me that he does not deserve at least the same contract is utterly perplexing.

I realise that it seems like a lot of money, & it obviously would be for any of us mere mortals - but in terms of modern football & Roman's overall pay-roll, it really is nowhere near as outlandish as you seem to suggest. You do realise that Torres is on something ridiculous like 170K+ right? That is what I call insane for a player who has been as appallingly mediocre as he has been for two years now, especially in addition to his extortionate transfer fee. But if we can afford to entertain his fruitless endeavours & continue to do so for the forseeable future - then surely there is no reason that Lampard should not be rewarded with whatever it is that he is asking for. Surely that is only fair.

It is not a matter of money, it is a matter of respect as well as a club's loyalty to a player who has given his all & been so unquivocally instrumental for this club during a decade that has brought so much success & so many timeless memories. It is a matter of the player he is & still continues to be. It is a matter of the fact that this player that we are talking about - is none other than Frank Lampard.

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Ahh, Lamps my favourite player of all time. I would like to see him sign a new contract. He just needs to accept a lesser role, the preperation of life without him should be started sooner rather than latter.

[super_frank8 186]

Thanks for the heads up. I've just copied that post in a Word document and it came up with over 1,100 words, that's nearly halfway the amount of words used in an Undergraduate essay. Yet its just babbling on the same points over and over again, along with some weak attempts of using insults.

Well seeing as this is a forum for discussion, & the only way to engage in this is by using words that I type into this box to convey my thoughts & feelings as thoroughly as I possibly can do, I don't really see any other way of communicating. If I said that all out loud to you, it would probably take only a few minutes, & surely reading through it can't consume more than 5 minutes of your time at the most. But clearly you don't bother to read much do you...

I find it rather sad that you have to resort to simply dismissing what I & I'm sure others would view as various valid points...either because you are unable to digest what I have said & conceive an appropriate response - or just because you are too lazy to put some actual consideration & thought into this 'babbling' of mine. Maybe you don't realise this, but I'm only 'babbling' in response to what you have to say about a matter that is an important one to me - so of course I'm not going to give you a little dainty paragraph that only summarises a miniscule of what is on my mind if you have said something that I simply don't agree with. Just so happens that there's a fair bit of that within your posts...

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Frank is my hero and idol and always will be :worship2: ....

He is one of the reason i started watching football and fell in love with chelsea.......

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Well if you're not going to respond to full sentences & points at least, then don't bother because you're basically going out of your way to take what I'm saying out of context & you clearly have a rather notorious habit of doing so based on my past feuds with you.

& okay so if you actually do in fact recognise his abilities as a player, then sentimentality aside - surely you realise that he still deserves a to be a first team player for this club? I would have to guess not considering you appear to be saying that it would not be 'best for the club' & 'our long-term future' - but I think you need to stop getting so hung up on the immediation of a revolution & evolution of our club & realise that these things take time. You can't expect to let the likes of Lamps & JT & Cole & Cech just walk out the door & suddenly a whole new generation of players are just going to fill their boots without any trouble. These are the kind of players that are truly irreplaceable to a team - & it is going to take a lot of time & money before we can build another trophy-winning team for the next generation. It certainly isn't going to happen over a single season.

You can already see what the hastiness of transition has done to our team in the last 2 years - we are most definitely nowhere near as formidable as we were prior to the AVB disaster - which is why fans like yourself who desire the kind of radical change that has ultimately proved detrimental to this club need to take a step back & think about what is truly best for us if we are going to continually challenge for trophies WHILST simultaneously building our side for the future. There really is no point in attempting to immediately replace legends who simply can't be, especially when they are still performing as they currently are. It is an unnecessary & pointless exercise that will inevitably backfire & create even more disrest & disrepute amongst fans, players & owner alike - as has been evident from past experience.

Of course I agree that we need to think about the future of this club & integrating young players into this side to reign in the new era - however, you can't expect to do this over such a short period of time & you certainly can't expect to have any kind of success attempting to do so. The likes of Piazon, KDB, McEachran, Chalobah, Coutois etc. will have their time soon enough, but I think many of you are getting a little too over-excited & impatient with all of our exceptional youthful talent bubbling under the surface. They will unleashed at the Bridge once they are ready & well-equipped enough to do so - however, for now, we still have a golden-era of world class players at our disposal - the best this club has ever been fortunate enough to witness & support through thick & thin - so leave it to them to lay down & stabilise the foundations that we can build this new team on so that we can continue our success & growth through the transition rather than jumping the gun & plunging us into the depths without our anchors before we are actually ready.

Dude.....brevity.

Just stop with the great walls of unreadable text. You aren't Shakespeare, so stop trying to invent new words too.

Frank is a legend, but we're a business and he will be replaced eventually. But he's going to be 35 and his performances aren't as consistent as they were a few years ago so he's going to play a lesser role in the side. That probably means he won't play in the bigger games in future so his contract should reflect that. I really don't need you telling me what a legend he is over and over and over again because I've seen it in the flesh hundreds of times.

We get it, you're a Lampard fan. Just stop trying so hard and be a little more realistic ok. :tophat:

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Well seeing as this is a forum for discussion, & the only way to engage in this is by using words that I type into this box to convey my thoughts & feelings as thoroughly as I possibly can do, I don't really see any other way of communicating. If I said that all out loud to you, it would probably take only a few minutes, & surely reading through it can't consume more than 5 minutes of your time at the most. But clearly you don't bother to read much do you...

I find it rather sad that you have to resort to simply dismissing what I & I'm sure others would view as various valid points...either because you are unable to digest what I have said & conceive an appropriate response - or just because you are too lazy to put some actual consideration & thought into this 'babbling' of mine. Maybe you don't realise this, but I'm only 'babbling' in response to what you have to say about a matter that is an important one to me - so of course I'm not going to give you a little dainty paragraph that only summarises a miniscule of what is on my mind if you have said something that I simply don't agree with. Just so happens that there's a fair bit of that within your posts...

Yes, but if its just walls and walls of text that don't really bring anything new to the discussion, then sorry but after about 5 posts it does start getting tiring on the eyes. Sometimes shorter, snappy posts that tend to put the point across with just a little bit more detail can speak more then a 1,000 words. Quality over quantity as my History teacher said to me.

[super_frank8 186]

Dude.....brevity.

Just stop with the great walls of unreadable text. You aren't Shakespeare, so stop trying to invent new words too.

Frank is a legend, but we're a business and he will be replaced eventually. But he's going to be 35 and his performances aren't as consistent as they were a few years ago so he's going to play a lesser role in the side. That probably means he won't play in the bigger games in future so his contract should reflect that. I really don't need you telling me what a legend he is over and over and over again because I've seen it in the flesh hundreds of times.

We get it, you're a Lampard fan. Just stop trying so hard and be a little more realistic ok. :tophat:

Wow. You are actually just as much of a joke as I thought you were.

Just because I utilise the full breadth of my vocabulary to express my thoughts & feelings as articulately as I possibly can do to convey my points accurately in relation to the content of my mind - does not mean I am attempting to channel Shakespeare in any way - this is simply how I write, & I like to write as similarly to the way I would speak the words face-to-face as I can do. I think you'll find that every single one of the words that I choose to use are contained in any official comprehensive dictionary. No one is 'inventing' words here, I'm really not sure where this absurd notion stems from unless you are as uneducated as some of your posts suggest.

& I will never stop voicing my full unadulterated opinion anytime that I choose to do so, whether it be on this forum or in any other situation in life. I refuse to censor my own beliefs for anyone's convenience, & certainly not for someone who attempts to be as dismissive of them as yourself. I believe in my convictions & instincts, as well as my reasoning & logic, & most of all my heart above all else - so I'm definitely not going to simply stand by the way-side nodding my head in compliance as you attempt to undermine & belittle everything I say with your own brand of self-righteous egotistical elitist bullshit, as if you are preaching to a choir of children who need to be fully educated in your beliefs & are otherwise inferior & unknowledgable until they have been converted.

You don't seem to realise that as much as you claim that I have been reiterating the same points, the only things you have continuously maintained are that 'Lampard is too old', 'he's not as good as he was 5 years ago' & 'we are a business'. Every time I have provided a post that, contrary to your baseless accusations, focuses on addressing your position on the matter at hand & various differing aspects of why that is not necessarily the case - all you seem to do is come back with this dismissive retort of myself being guilty of repeating the same thing continuously.

In broad terms, yes, I am saying the same thing over & over again, because that is obviously my position on this situation that is being discussed which concerns the topic of this thread - Frank should be given a new contract because of what he still has to offer this club as a player, as well as what he has done for us in the last decade. Just as you are conversely saying that he shouldn't - because he is old, & we are a business. However I'm pretty sure that with every post I have given in response to what you & others have said, I have not only addressed the particular point being made by my counter-part, but I have also expanded on the various reasons that make it an invalid view from my perspective.

If you want me to sum it up in a culminative single sentence - if you truly don't think that Lamps deserves, at the very least, the same treatment as Gerrard has received at Liverpool, then I do have to question your footballing knowledge, beliefs & ideals considerably.

He is still a far better player than the one you are attempting to depict him as - I'm unsure of what have against him exactly apart from age, but surely if you watch him as often as you claim to then you will realise that he remains one of the absolute best midfielders in the world, as he has been for the last 10 years. & yes I am talking about the CURRENT player that he is TODAY, not just the legend that he always will be regardless of anything else. Say what you like about wilting legs, but that breed of one-of-a-kind class & ability - is forever. So long as he still has the fitness to compete at the top level, there is absolutely no plausible reason I can conceive from my wildest imagination for wanting to discard the best player in the history of this club before his time has come.

I don't know exactly what the terms of his demands are, nor what any deals he has already been offered may be composed of (maybe you know far more than the rest of us less-informed supporters?); but what I do know, is that if any kind of reasonable respectful contract was put in front of him, that guarantees he won't merely play the arbitrary cameo role Giggs & Scholes have been reduced to - he would take it in a heartbeat.

As far as I know, I have been adding plenty to this discussion - it just seems as though you & a select few have chosen to ignore the majority of it at your own discretion & convenience. I'm being perfectly realistic in everything I am saying considering I have justified every single point I have made in significant detail. It's all good & well that you don't agree with me, I certainly didn't expect you of all people to do so by any stretch of the imagination - however it is outright obnoxious & ignorant to actually dismiss what I am saying entirely, purely because it doesn't fall in line with your own beliefs.

If you can't be bothered to actually put up a conducive & thorough argument of your own to validate & justify your counter-points to what I have said, then refrain from posting anything at all - because as long as you continue to provoke a reaction from me - I will do my very dilligent best to provide you with exactly what you are looking for. It is simply a matter of freedom of speech - & that is definitely not going to come to a stop so long as I am active on this board.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Wow. You are actually just as much of a joke as I thought you were.

Just because I utilise the full breadth of my vocabulary to express my thoughts & feelings as articulately as I possibly can do to convey my points accurately in relation to the content of my mind - does not mean I am attempting to channel Shakespeare in any way - this is simply how I write, & I like to write as similarly to the way I would speak the words face-to-face as I can do. I think you'll find that every single one of the words that I choose to use are contained in any official comprehensive dictionary. No one is 'inventing' words here, I'm really not sure where this absurd notion stems from unless you are as uneducated as some of your posts suggest.

& will never stop voicing my full unadulterated opinion anytime that I choose to do so, whether it be on this forum or in any other situation in life. I refuse to censor my own beliefs for anyone's convenience, & certainly not for someone who attempts to be as dismissive of them as yourself. I believe in my convictions & instincts, as well as my reasoning & logic, & most of all my heart above all else - so I'm definitely not going to simply stand by the way-side nodding my head in compliance as you attempt to undermine & belittle everything I say with your own brand of self-righteous egotistical elitist bullshit, as if you are preaching to a choir of children who need to be fully educated in your beliefs & are otherwise inferior & unknowledgable until they have been converted.

You don't seem to realise that as much as you claim that I have been reiterating the same points, the only things you have continuously maintained are that 'Lampard is too old', 'he's not as good as he was 5 years ago' & 'we are a business'. Every time I have provided a post that, contrary to your baseless accusations, focuses on addressing your position on the matter at hand & various differing aspects of why that is not necessarily the case - all you seem to do is come back with this dismissive retort of myself being guilty of repeating the same thing continuously.

In broad terms, yes, I am saying the same thing over & over again, because that is obviously my position on this situation that is being discussed which concerns the topic of this thread - Frank should be given a new contract because of what he still has to offer this club as a player, as well as what he has done for us in the last decade. Just as you are conversely saying that he shouldn't - because he is old, & we are a business. However I'm pretty sure that with every post I have given in response to what you & others have said, I have not only addressed the particular point being made by my counter-part, but I have also expanded on the various reasons that make it an invalid view from my perspective.

If you want me to sum it up in a culminative single sentence - if you truly don't think that Lamps deserves, at the very least, the same treatment as Gerrard has received at Liverpool, then I do have to question your footballing knowledge, beliefs & ideals considerably.

He is still a far better player than the one you are attempting to depict him as - I'm unsure of what have against him exactly apart from age, but surely if you watch him as often as you claim to then you will realise that he remains one of the absolute best midfielders in the world, as he has been for the last 10 years. & yes I am talking about the CURRENT player that he is TODAY, not just the legend that he always will be regardless of anything else. Say what you like about wilting legs, but that breed of one-of-a-kind class & ability - is forever. So long as he still has the fitness to compete at the top level, there is absolutely no plausible reason I can conceive from my wildest imagination for wanting to discard the best player in the history of this club before his time has come.

I don't know exactly what the terms of his demands are, nor what any deals he has already been offered may be composed of (maybe you know far more than the rest of us less-informed supporters?); but what I do know, is that if any kind of reasonable respectful contract was put in front of him, that guarantees he won't merely play the arbitrary cameo role Giggs & Scholes have been reduced to - he would take it in a heartbeat.

As far as I know, I have been adding plenty to this discussion - it just seems as though you & a select few have chosen to ignore the majority of it at your own discretion & convenience. I'm being perfectly realistic in everything I am saying considering I have justified every single point I have made in significant detail. It's all good & well that you don't agree with me, I certainly didn't expect you of all people to do so by any stretch of the imagination - however it is outright obnoxious & ignorant to actually dismiss what I am saying entirely, purely because it doesn't fall in line with your own beliefs.

If you can't be bothered to actually put up a conducive & thorough argument of your own to validate & justify your counter-points to what I have said, then refrain from posting anything at all - because as long as you continue to provoke a reaction from me - I will do my very dilligent best to provide you with exactly what you are looking for. It is simply a matter of freedom of speech - & that is definitely not going to come to a stop so long as I am active on this board.

Jesus.....plastic fan trying too hard.

[super_frank8 186]

Jesus.....plastic fan trying too hard.

& yet, though you believe in your delusional shroud of blissful ignorance that once again you have prevailed in your conquests as the all-seeing all-knowledgable super-fan that you claim to be - in reality, you have only managed to prove everything I have said in that post to be even more accurate than it already was. Cheers mate

[super_frank8 186]

Yes, but if its just walls and walls of text that don't really bring anything new to the discussion, then sorry but after about 5 posts it does start getting tiring on the eyes. Sometimes shorter, snappy posts that tend to put the point across with just a little bit more detail can speak more then a 1,000 words. Quality over quantity as my History teacher said to me.

Great to see that you actually learnt something in school - does surprise me a little, not going to lie.

But honestly, if you are claiming that your posts are in any way, shape or form qualitatively superior to my posts, purely because they are presented in a more concise & simple manner - then I think you should seriously consider whether you were actually learning something in that teacher's class - or just sucking him off all day.

Look, if I have something on my mind, then I'm going to say it - & the way I write is pretty much exactly the way that I would want to say it to your face - I'm not going to cut it down to intrinsic nibblet-sized terms just so my 'big words' don't exhaust your poor little eyes.

If a few paragraphs of perfectly coherent & comprehendable relatively well-punctuated text is too much for you to digest within a few minutes, then I can't possibly bear to imagine what kind of torturous ordeal you must have to endure when you are forced to sit down & read an actual book. I'm shuddering at the mere thought of such inhumane horror. My sympathies are definitely with you there mate.

As for the rest - see my last massive wall of text if you think that it might not strain your eyes quite as much as it will your brain.

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Great to see that you actually learnt something in school - does surprise me a little, not going to lie.

But honestly, if you are claiming that your posts are in any way, shape or form qualitatively superior to my posts, purely because they are presented in a more concise & simple manner - then I think you should seriously consider whether you were actually learning something in that teacher's class - or just sucking him off all day.

Look, if I have something on my mind, then I'm going to say it - & the way I write is pretty much exactly the way that I would want to say it to your face - I'm not going to cut it down to intrinsic nibblet-sized terms just so my 'big words' don't exhaust your poor little eyes.

If a few paragraphs of perfectly coherent & comprehendable relatively well-punctuated text is too much for you to digest within a few minutes, then I can't possibly bear to imagine what kind of torturous ordeal you must have to endure when you are forced to sit down & read an actual book. I'm shuddering at the mere thought of such inhumane horror. My sympathies are definitely with you there mate.

As for the rest - see my last massive wall of text if you think that it might not strain your eyes quite as much as it will your brain.

Wow, you really are the personification of grace and intelligence as you ingeniously make laughable attempts at using insults as it in anyway makes you sound rational and clear headed .

Seriously you take things way too seriously that its becoming laughable, all I said was that you can make points and opinions without trying to use much words as possible, no need to go on another rampage about superior you are. I suggest you go for a lie down and come back when your feeling better.

Anyway we are getting way off topic. This is the Frank Lampard thread, not a thread about your ego. Probably best I stop posting on this thread for a while so I stop contributing with your unhealthy behavior.

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& yet, though you believe in your delusional shroud of blissful ignorance that once again you have prevailed in your conquests as the all-seeing all-knowledgable super-fan that you claim to be - in reality, you have only managed to prove everything I have said in that post to be even more accurate than it already was. Cheers mate

Still trying too hard.

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Good to know you can give detail in an argument on a forum and get called a plastic for it

[Rmpr 8,977]

Good to know you can give detail in an argument on a forum and get called a plastic for it

Yeah, I do think @super_frank8 posts are a bit long and pationate (he could do them in 800 words instead of 1100), but if he thinks it is necessary to be somewhat repetitive to make his opinion clear, I dont see a problem.

He has some valid points and just because some members are lazy to read and counter argument, they think they have the right to call him by names.

[Changingman_2000 876]

Tommy Langley was on talkSPORT this morning, stressing that the club must do all that they can to keep Cole, Lampard and Terry. Very much the fabric of the club but both sides need to be willing to be flexible when it comes to wedge. Lamps and Cole are naturally fit blokes who I think could carry on for a least the next couple of years.