AVB kills off critics

[Tomo 21,751]

What does Mikel have to do to get credit?

Pick up the ball from David Luiz 25 yards out of Cech's goal at the Camp Nou, one swift flick off the ball putting Villa,Messi and Sanchez all on their arse. Then on to Xavi nutmegged 4 times before turning him taking him out of the game. Showboating around Iniesta and Bisquets with both chasing shadows then when he gets bored he moves on to Pique and Mascerano at centre half, dances around both and comes back for more 20 times before he had enough then chips over Valdes right into the top corner off the net.

Anything less than that i doubt Mikel will ever get credit sadly

[GodZola 630]

What does Mikel have to do to get credit?

Pick up the ball from David Luiz 25 yards out of Cech's goal at the Camp Nou, one swift flick off the ball putting Villa,Messi and Sanchez all on their arse. Then on to Xavi nutmegged 4 times before turning him taking him out of the game. Showboating around Iniesta and Bisquets with both chasing shadows then when he gets bored he moves on to Pique and Mascerano at centre half, dances around both and comes back for more 20 times before he had enough then chips over Valdes right into the top corner off the net.

Anything less than that i doubt Mikel will ever get credit sadly

Oh I forgot the sarcasm - I rest my case!!!

[Clevemayer 764]

What does Mikel have to do to get credit?

Pick up the ball from David Luiz 25 yards out of Cech's goal at the Camp Nou, one swift flick off the ball putting Villa,Messi and Sanchez all on their arse. Then on to Xavi nutmegged 4 times before turning him taking him out of the game. Showboating around Iniesta and Bisquets with both chasing shadows then when he gets bored he moves on to Pique and Mascerano at centre half, dances around both and comes back for more 20 times before he had enough then chips over Valdes right into the top corner off the net.

Anything less than that i doubt Mikel will ever get credit sadly

thats sadly so true...

& it really gets up my goat when I see post like this disrespecting people because they share a different view to your own! Others have gone as far to say that 'people have no footballing intellect' when having a pessimistic view on Mikel, when infact they have no right to say that at all especially when they have no idea of a persons background in football.

Now I warned you last season about Mikel's deficiencies but namely he would get caught out against quick thinking players especially those with pace - what happened against Liverpool in the league game? Romeu has showed me more in his short tenure than Mikel ever has but I would still urge some caution towards being over optimistic as things can change but Romeu really looks the part.

I'm fine with ppl don't shareing my thoughts I have no problem wit this at all, I only don't like ppl who ar so unflexible and they're thinking of a player (or any person in life) can't be changed, and it even it get worse if you clearly ignore FACTS for one person and use exactly the same excuses for another person, just because you like him... In my thoughts and my world ppl have to be able to THINK and don't say/post stupid things to others.... that aside:

1st It really gets up MY goat if ppl don't READ what I'm telling and if so, they missunderstand ist, I know my english is not the best on this planet, but I think its possible, even for native english speakers to understand my intentions and my word, with no real immense thinking and interpreting of my written scentences. I never called them morrons with no knowledge of the game, I clearly wrote "When it comes down to MIKEL", this for me means, in the context of talking about Mikel they seem to put off they're brain

2nd you will never see me intentionally calling somebody stupid or telling somebody he has no knowing of the game what so ever, the incidents you're calling into you're mind will always be a) when somebody called somebody else or me stupid or told me or somebody else he has no knowing of the game, while it's clear as daylight that the person calling this to other persons is the only one not knowing what hes talking about (its not hard to see this just scroll with that wheel on youre mouse a bit upwards and you'll read posts before that one I've written), somebody telling complete nonsense and don't even gets his facts right and not even borthers to learn and understand (there are so many ppl outa there, e. g. my brother in law, always says Chelsea was as bad as ManCity and ManU is the only team completely build on they're succes in England (he's Dortmund fan), because, and this is really great, they don't have a rich owner, he don't understands that nearly EVERY team has a rich owner, and ManU has two of them...), it's ok if you discuss and you talk about players, like Einstein said "That place, where everybody says the same and thinks the same, is a stupid place", but than you have to accept if things are true and should better say " Hey listen, Mikel is a good player but guys, I cant stand him", I would accept this 1000 times better than "This Whanker Mikel doesn't deserve to play, what a morron, hes sooooo useless, only sideway passes (Oriols Passing range iss much much deeper and further back than MIKELS actually and he gives MORE Sideway passes than Mikel, and I even can PROVE this with statistics, but still then ppl will give romeu credit for playing sooooo much more offensive and forward passes and thats when I start to think, oh my gosh *facepalm*, I'm really IMPRESSED with romeu he is a great lad but if ppl criticise Mikel for defensive play, they should better stop to give Romeu credit... I will give it to him, because I like his determination, great young lad)...

3rd Nobody, and for sure not me, is saying Mikel is the complete and perfect player, simply because there is not a single player on this planet thats fully complete and perfect (Lamps aside )... Mikel HAS to improve two things, 1st (and I've said this 1000 times now) his attitude on the pitch, he has to be as determined as oriol (what he did against valencia)... 2nd, he has to be quicker with his passing, it has to be mor instinctive... he takes too long on the ball... and I always and always repeat this, if you don't read my posts and my comments it's you're fault not mine, I even called for Mikel to be benched because of his bad run of games. Mikel isn't even my favourite player, these are Lamps and Drogs, and I even call for they're heads if they're not performing... My thinking of a player is because of his outcome on the field and what he gives to a team, and I'm able to strictly seperate this from personal feelings, I even rate Kalou (for his often gaemchenging substitutions) and can't stand him, so it is with Anelka... whatever ppl talk about him, he was a royal servant to the club and did very, very well, we have no other Striker who can play his role, add to this that hes may be the player with the most accurate shot in his foot at our disposal....

4th you have 3 major faults from Mikel comeing in to you're brain in the last three years, that one at Inter when he goes down too early in the tackle and they score they're third goal, that one against city and that one against Liverscum.... So in three years three erros, gosh, Luiz have already ten times more mistakdes, let aside balls and Tackles Ramy has lost (lets repeat, I really like Ramy).... What am I saying? sorry, if you don't get this too, I cant help...

with best regards

Cleve

[GodZola 630]

CM, your English is far better than my German would ever be!

1. It's not just you that uses these terms as there are also English members who like to be disrespectful when posting.

2. I don't rate Maloulda either but wouldn't refer him as a 'wanker' either, it is my view that the 4 players that I have mentioned in my previous post are simply not top class & cannot take us up to another level in performance especially when you consider consistency.

3. Unfortunately Mikel is one of those 4, you & others can give me all these stats that to me are irrelevant because as I have stated before you have to take into consideration his all round game which sadly is not good enough & members fail badly with this oversight.

4. I'm not totally biased in my opinion of Mikel & will give credit when I see fit, hence my comments above, so I try to judge players fairly - what others post is really not my concern. When I criticize a player or anything in general I always try to post with good reason for my opinions rather than post disrespectful comments that have no foundation to them.

5. Wouldn't disagree about Luiz either, he has to improve, I think he has the ability to become top class which is my point here - were as Mikel imo hasn't got enough in his locker to get to another level but again I will be pleased if he can prove me wrong.

Apologies if I've missed valid points in your post but at work & havn't had time to digest your post.

[Clevemayer 764]

like I said, you HAVE to consider his statistics and the way he plays and I think, Mikel has done tremendous work but let us also down at times... and thats normal...

albeit Kalou have never developed since arriving and has never done great but had an impact as sub...

I would be interestet in which manner you mean Mikels performance is bad... give us you're oversight we don't have...

shooting?

passing?

physics?

technical?

long range balls?

shielding?

dribbling?

defending?

heading?

eye for an good pass?

which of this abilitys do you mean exactly...

and then maybe back to tpic because this is about AVB and not Mikel...

[DYC. 7,542]

I don't think it's a coincidence that Maka got praised as Chelsea's DM by football fans, Essien got praised when he played DM in his prime by football fans, Romeu currently receives praise as Chelsea's DM by football fans yet Mik

[Clevemayer 764]

OK than lets compare them if it goes down to this...

now lets see Romeu and him:

[GodZola 630]

like I said, you HAVE to consider his statistics and the way he plays and I think, Mikel has done tremendous work but let us also down at times... and thats normal...

albeit Kalou have never developed since arriving and has never done great but had an impact as sub...

I would be interestet in which manner you mean Mikels performance is bad... give us you're oversight we don't have...

shooting?

passing?

physics?

technical?

long range balls?

shielding?

dribbling?

defending?

heading?

eye for an good pass?

which of this abilitys do you mean exactly...

and then maybe back to tpic because this is about AVB and not Mikel...

Again?!

I will keep this brief as I feel like a parrot!

His main deficiencies are all to do with speed, he lacks pace, doesn't have the speed of thought that Makelele has in anticipating danger & he lacks the speed to distribute the ball quickly - which is what Carlo referred to on many occasions last season before dropping him for an out of form Essien. Now I could go on about my reasoning that Makelele, Essien & Ballack were better than Mikel in this position but the simplest way of explaining that is who played in that position in our title winning years? Before you throw something back about 09/10 I will say this, if Mikel had not of got injured then we would not of won the title as Ballack was simply magnificent in that position.

Now let me throw something back at you, who would you pick if all things being equal, Makelele or Mikel, a fit injury free Essien or Mikel, & currently Romeu or Mikel?

To further emphasize my point by not being detrimental towards Mikel who would you select Mata or Maloulda?

I wonder............

[Clevemayer 764]

Again?!

I will keep this brief as I feel like a parrot!

His main deficiencies are all to do with speed, he lacks pace, doesn't have the speed of thought that Makelele has in anticipating danger & he lacks the speed to distribute the ball quickly - which us what Carlo referred to on many occasions last season before dropping him for an out of form Essien. Now I could go on about my reasoning that Makelele, Essien & Ballack were better than Mikel in this position but the simplest way of explaining that is who played in that position in our title winning years? Before you throw something back about 09/10 I will say this, if Mikel had not of got injured then we would not of won the title as Ballack was simply magnificent in that position.

Now let me throw something back at you, who would you pick if all things being equal, Makelele or Mikel, a fit injury free Essien or Mikel, & currently Romeu or Mikel?

To further emphasize my point by not being detrimental towards Mikel who would you select Mata or Maloulda?

I wonder............

good...

1st its just not true about our title 09/10, simple point, because Mikel was gett'n praise from all around

2nd I would prefer Maka in his prime, from 27 to 34 (look at the age ), I would pick Mikel over Essien anyday... Essien was one of our main Reasons for slumps in form during the december spells in 2009/2010 and 2010/2011... I can remember pretty lively that a large amount of yousers on this board wanted him offloaded after his horrondous spell that he had after his redcard with his two footed challenge, me too, albeit I wanted him going because of his nasty injurys (and I see me proving right)... That said, a combination of Mikel and Essien what the best we had, Ess is no Defensive Midfilder... everything said... Mikel was the best Passer in the WHOLE EPL that season, with most FORWARD Passes, more than Fabregas, Song, Toure and whoever... so again... FAIL..

Ballack is so overrated sorry guys... I saw him play since his days with leverkusen, a great strong player with a good goal ratio.... Very good Midfielder but in my eys not a Worldbeater, deserves great respect for his goals and things but nowhere a defensive Midfielder in big games (can't remember adhoc in which or if he ever performed as defensive midfielder in any big games)... Mikel was preferred in the MOST of games even by Ancelotti, sorry... FAIL... and it was no coincident that as soon as Mikel was back in form last year... He was one of our best if not THE Best Midfielder... just sort you're memories... we won all five games after he was back on the field... and he was benched after an Injury to his ankle, Ancelotti and himself explained this various times, he also stated he was very disappointed he didnt went strait away back in to the 1st eleven after his injury... sry Mate you're wrigling some facts

Right now I would go for romeu, If mikel gets over his recent slump in Form, Mikel any day... Just look whom plays in which areas in that posts above you (scrollwhee on the mouse, remember *kidding )

And thats EXACTLY what I'm talking and reffering about... Mikel has to get quicker and determinde let's not forget this... but you guys criticise where is nothing to criticise...

I remember seeing him in that 2:0 win against Arsenal at the Bridge... and I bought a Fuck'n kit with his name straight after because he WAS a GIANT... unbeliveable Impressive... And yes I was in the MHLW when Alex hit that Stunner of an goal

[GodZola 630]

Look mate, we are going round in circles just like before & at the end of the day your opinion is set in stone so there is really no point in further discussion. Wriggling facts? The only facts that I will clearly state is that Mikel is not good enough, Makelele, Essien were far superior players, Romeu is currently too & his inclusion & form is the reason why members/fans are starting to change their mindset about Mikel, however I wouldn't expect those Mikel lovers to openly admit it as too many like to hide after they have fired their bullets! The FACT is I warned you about him getting caught in possession & not up to it against quality sides because he will get found out & this has been proved correct already this season but no matter keep living in your Mikel bubble & hope he delivers.

Now lastly, AVB's current record in the transfer market is bang on, his squad is starting to take shape, by next summer we will have a team that is quality - maybe not the finished article by any means but a squad capable of some consistency in challenging. With this in mind we are starting to see quality brought in for average players remember Mata for Maloulda & then you have Sturridge for Kalou etc. We are going the right way & if that means the average players of Mikel, Maloulda, Kalou, Bosingwa et al are benched, play less or leave that's fine with me because it means we are replacing them with quality & this will further enhance the message that I am trying to get across in that we need top class players to replace the stale & we can go on to become a Barcelona in winning the CL on a consistent basis.

This time next year will be a good time to re-evaluate my point & then we will see whose right & who is wrong...........

[Wilson 358]

I agree with GodZola, yoiu just can't compare Mikel to Makelele. Laughable if you ask me! I'm not hating on Mikel though, he just doesn't fit in with Chelsea.

[Clevemayer 764]

Look mate, we are going round in circles just like before & at the end of the day your opinion is set in stone so there is really no point in further discussion. Wriggling facts?

oh gosh... sometimes I fell like talking to a wall... Maka yes Essien not... Essien is a WASTE in that place... Sry Mate... I'm not in a bubble and I'm clearly not in a Mikelloving world... you get many things wrong and I don't think you consider what I tell or check what I'm saying... just keeping on with what YOU think is right eyh? I was AGAINST Meireles, but now I see he is a solid player and gie him credit... AGAINST Romeu (another hyped barcayouthplayer I thought)... AGAINST Anelka... AGAINST Malouda and have changed my mind (temoprarly or permanantly)... I have no point in defending any of them...

and aside from THREE games in THREE years you weren't proven RIGHT... like I said 3 incidents are nough for you to feel right... for me its mistakes that even terry does...

I'm fine if mikel leaves... I have no problem with this... hes a professional and will earn his money anywhre else... I'm only sad to see him leave because he is a gre8 player...

I have no doubts in AVBs choices what so ever...

Essien must go he isn't reliable anymore... Romeu was a good bargain..

[Clevemayer 764]

I agree with GodZola, yoiu just can't compare Mikel to Makelele. Laughable if you ask me! I'm not hating on Mikel though, he just doesn't fit in with Chelsea.

I would never compare them... I would never compare them because they're different...

[manpe 10,861]

Yet another thread drowned in off-topic with one of the infamous and tiring Mikel vs. Romeu vs. Essien vs. Makelele arguments... in an "AVB kills off critics" topic. It's impossible to see how it went from point A to point Z in such short time.

E: ah yes, the OP mentions Mikel for one reason or another. that explains it. the mere mention of the name "Mikel" is a catalyst... it seems we have found our new Kalou, now that he has been benched for good.

[Wilson 358]

And yet he does it again