BluesChick 1,260 Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 More than 1% of the population wow! Just proves there is something that seriously needs fixing in the system and the society as whole when there are more criminals than Doctors in a nation. No the 2008 study stated that 1 out of 100 ADULTS in the US which is not 1% of our population and does NOT include any of the people who are there but not reporting their information on the census. That changes the numbers by a significant portion. Keep in mind this isn't just your violent criminals that they are talking about it is also the dumbass that has a DUI/DWI, the dumb person who didn't pay their parking tickets, and all those other little crimes that will be see them in jail for anywhere from a few days to a few years behind bars. It also includes all the people who are in jail and awaiting arraignments or who have been picked up for drunken and disorderly conduct but won't be there except for overnight. It is a snapshot of the situation it isn't the complete picture. It also fails to mention that many states now have "3 strikes and you out policies" where if you have been convicted of a crimes 3 times (regardless of the seriousness of the crimes) then you will spend the rest of your life in jail. So you can't just throw a statistic out there and not understand what went behind the calculation of it. This is one of the sound bites that news agencies like to throw around.By the way, I understand that you all think the US is awful and that the foreign policies are awful but the manner in which you chose to discuss it and throw out the sound bites is one of the things that makes me avoid this thread and others. There is no way I would attempt to change your minds or have a proper discussion because you don't want to hear the other side and you certainly don't think about how offensive your comments are to the few Americans on the board. Personally it makes me wonder why I bother to visit the board at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 Lmfao Jimmy Carr is hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 I deeply apologize if you found my comment offensive, I assure you it was not meant that way. I did not intend to criticize the people of the US, but the system which, with all do respect to your opinion, I still believe is doing something wrong because despite the number being a "snapshot" as you said it is still significantly more than most countries.On a side note, I would like to say that most criticism and opinions expressed about the US foreign policy in this thread, applies to the UK, France and all the "Capitalist Western forces" from my view. I don't think anyone here is anti-american. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevemayer 764 Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 what are you all talking of? you don't have a clue of anything. America is as guilty as any other Nation on this planet for genocides and massmurder.Actually there is so many murderring and killing that you should stop even considering to think about it, and in our history everybody is a massmurder... even Kurdisch Muslims helped the turkisch Nationalists (Attatürk namely) to deport and Kill hundreds of thousands ppl (Armenian) in the deserts, so they all died painfully little babys, childs, mothers protecting they're babys with they're dead bodys from the sun, and they keep denying it, this is rediciulous, I don't even want to consider what germany would deny if they didn't loose the 2nd worldwar, still there are ppl with such an small horizon to say its all conspiracy and it never ever found place... all invented by russians and American "Invaders"... there we go, Russians had they're own KZs.... so if you're true and honnest, every single nation has got blood on they're hands... and if we would learn to let everybody live and wouldnet be a missleaded, sick kind of creature that this planet has produced... the world would be like a ponyfarm... but this isn't to be, you can only try to leave you'r little stamp on this planet... and to, maybe influence some other people in a "good" way... this isn't to go out there and hurt ohter people with stupid words and accusations...you all don't know what you're talking about, throwing numbers around that actually don't mean a thing to you personally, but may hurt many other ppl. This world is rotten to the bones, that is what I've wisdomed in my short 25 years of age... so better leave it and try to protect you're head and soul... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warnie_666 1,081 Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 I am with BluesChick on this. It's just become a norm to bash US. Putting up some YouTube Video where a Brit is coming up with stupid stats and another Brit attempting to crack jokes and all of the anti America brigade believing those Stats and commenting on it makes it all the more easier for me to ignore the drivel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevemayer 764 Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 I am with BluesChick on this. It's just become a norm to bash US. Putting up some YouTube Video where a Brit is coming up with stupid stats and another Brit attempting to crack jokes and all of the anti America brigade believing those Stats and commenting on it makes it all the more easier for me to ignore the drivelwhat I'm trying to say is this: "we should all stop to accuse other ppl and start to accept our own wrongdoings..."I'm fully with blueschick, too...but neither america nor Lybia or any other country is free of wrongdoings... so we should stop to think we can prejudge ppl from an nation/country because of some numbers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 what I'm trying to say is this: "we should all stop to accuse other ppl and start to accept our own wrongdoings..."I'm fully with blueschick, too...but neither america nor Lybia or any other country is free of wrongdoings... so we should stop to think we can prejudge ppl from an nation/country because of some numbers...No one has judged any "people" in this thread. We were merely discussing world politics and expressing our opinions.Forgive me, but your logic, though morally admirable, is naive. The point you are missing is that those politics that we are judging and accusing influence the lives of billions and inevitably you and me, which for me grants me every right to criticize and complain about them. By your logic, if someone beats me up and steals my wallet, I should not complain about it or report him to the police because he just made a mistake like all humans do and because I too commit mistakes in my life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevemayer 764 Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 No one has judged any "people" in this thread. We were merely discussing world politics and expressing our opinions.Forgive me, but your logic, though morally admirable, is naive. The point you are missing is that those politics that we are judging and accusing influence the lives of billions and inevitably you and me, which for me grants me every right to criticize and complain about them. By your logic, if someone beats me up and steals my wallet, I should not complain about it or report him to the police because he just made a mistake like all humans do and because I too commit mistakes in my life.wrong...I was saying you should start to realize that you have no right what so ever to criticise some nations for wrongdoings you're own nation is doing too...and if you've got enough power to change America, than please change Brittain, Germany....you're hatering against particularly America at this thread, albeit there are so many other nations involved.... just realize you should start something and move something before you throw accusations around in an footballforum... this has barely an effect... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,941 Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 I will one day rule this world so none of you will have anything to worry about ever again! Chelsea fans will live like Kings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warnie_666 1,081 Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 wrong...I was saying you should start to realize that you have no right what so ever to criticise some nations for wrongdoings you're own nation is doing too...and if you've got enough power to change America, than please change Brittain, Germany....you're hatering against particularly America at this thread, albeit there are so many other nations involved.... just realize you should start something and move something before you throw accusations around in an footballforum... this has barely an effect...I like how the ones that make the anti America brigade on this thread are british. Almost all of them have let it rip at US. The Irony is they haven't said much about their own country which according to the rest of the world is US's bitch as it follows US everywhere. But not a single word against their own govt. It's all about US. US is in it for oil, gas, etc etc. What about UK? What business does it have to follow US everywhere.? What about your governments foreign policies? UK has long been as biased as US. Sending SAS to guard the rich oil kings/dictators against his own people who have been living in poverty.Had your govt had a spine you wouldn't have been a target of jihadis. And before someone points out to india being a target of jihadis inspite of not supporting US I would suggest you think before you write that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 I like how the ones that make the anti America brigade on this thread are british. Almost all of them have let it rip at US. The Irony is they haven't said much about their own country which according to the rest of the world is US's bitch as it follows US everywhere. But not a single word against their own govt. It's all about US. US is in it for oil, gas, etc etc. What about UK? What business does it have to follow US everywhere.? What about your governments foreign policies? UK has long been as biased as US. Sending SAS to guard the rich oil kings/dictators against his own people who have been living in poverty.Had your govt had a spine you wouldn't have been a target of jihadis. And before someone points out to india being a target of jihadis inspite of not supporting US I would suggest you think before you write that.I have followed this thread since it started. This thread has included a discussion of politics in the US, UK, Iran, Syria, Israel/Palestine, Libiya, Egypt....... It has included criticism to all the governments of the countries I just mentioned. Here are a few things said directly criticizing the UK government:5,000+ students march in protest in central London today, Trafalgar Square.Yet the emphasis is on the police control. The whole aim/cause of it, is being ignored by mass media.That's good. Not surprised Britain abstained.. After all, they don't want to piss off big-brother.All of Tony Blairs mates seem to be getting attacked or killed -Mubarek, Murdoch, Gaddafi....Cliff Richard must be shitting himselfBack to the here and now -The system is fucked, because yesterday the european central banks failed to get credit lines from the Chinese or the Arab oil nations, because the politicians and bankers are using words like ‘apochalyptic’, ‘facing the abyss’ and about how there will be ‘massive wealth destruction’ and a ’50% drop in output across europe’ should one bank or nation default on their debt, because by the end of this year, or the beginning of 2012 the credit markets will crash and they’ll drag equities with them- this is why London is still full of cops from other parts of the country- When the banks start to crash, and make no mistake they will, credit lines to major companies will be cut, banks will be forced to take bank holidays and limit withdrawls to prevent panicked savers pulling all their cash out in a huge bank-run, distribution of goods will seize up and the shelves of supermarkets and the ATMs will rapidly empty, companies will issue mass redundancies, there may well be power cuts…All the banks and governments are doing now, is delaying the inevitable, rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic..happy days ahead....If you failed to see those, it is because you insist on playing the part of the victim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kostas 1,468 Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 I seriously don't see why criticizing one country's wrongdoings is perceived as taking sides or being blind to your own country's methods.I didn't follow this thread mostly due to its name (either naive or blatantly false IMHO) but since I picked up today from page 2 I've almost run out of rep points due to how surprisingly decent and levelminded a political discussion on a football forum is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warnie_666 1,081 Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 I have followed this thread since it started. This thread has included a discussion of politics in the US, UK, Iran, Syria, Israel/Palestine, Libiya, Egypt....... It has included criticism to all the governments of the countries I just mentioned. Here are a few things said directly criticizing the UK government:If you failed to see those, it is because you insist on playing the part of the victim.If there are 2 posts against UK govt for it's shoddy internal affairs there are 15 posts on US for it's external affairs by the same people. I still haven't seen a single post questioning why UK has to follow US everywhere. All I see is US and it's external affairs. I made a point on this in past and yet no posts on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevemayer 764 Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 I seriously don't see why criticizing one country's wrongdoings is perceived as taking sides or being blind to your own country's methods.I didn't follow this thread mostly due to its name (either naive or blatantly false IMHO) but since I picked up today from page 2 I've almost run out of rep points due to how surprisingly decent and levelminded a political discussion on a football forum is.its abaout the relation between both parties, lets better say sides... I'm not gett'n involved in this but it feels for me like... you're weighing up with different approaches... you have to give exactly the same tollerance or intollerance in this case to anybody... All I say is, if you really want to criticise... you wont get finisched in 100 years... but if you do so... be fair and not subjective like many of the posts here are... they cant differ from countrys they have sympathy and others they don't have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warnie_666 1,081 Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 I seriously don't see why criticizing one country's wrongdoings is perceived as taking sides or being blind to your own country's methods.Not a problem if your own country is not guilty of the same wrong doings that US has been guilty of. My problem is with the Brits who are quick to pounce on US when their own govt is equally guilty of it but I don't see many questioning UK and it's foreign policies. Someone mentioned US attacked Afghanistan for Gas another mentioned they also are big on opium. Now should I interpret that as US attacked Afghanistan for opium? Laughable!!The other day someone was hooked on to Hiroshima and Nagasaki accusing of genocide when I pointed out the Nanking massacre and how the Japs tortured raped and killed millions in China during WW2 they just ignored it and instead kept accusing the US of genocide. Like I mentioned in the past I don't take sides but I use the same yardstick to evaluate every country and it's policies. If it weren't for the fat man and little boy the Japs would have continued torturing and murderig millions. It's sad that it took another genocide to stop them but FFS look at the other side too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 BluesChick. I understand what you're saying but I don't think anyone's directly offended American citizens. Just your government and their foreign policies. I don't think that's a reflection on their citizens, like yourself or Warnie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 The other day someone was hooked on to Hiroshima and Nagasaki accusing of genocide when I pointed out the Nanking massacre and how the Japs tortured raped and killed millions in China during WW2 they just ignored it and instead kept accusing the US of genocide. Like I mentioned in the past I don't take sides but I use the same yardstick to evaluate every country and it's policies. If it weren't for the fat man and little boy the Japs would have continued torturing and murderig millions. It's sad that it took another genocide to stop them but FFS look at the other side tooAnd as I said during then.. They're both guilty. But one country's genocide doesn't excuse the other's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,319 Posted December 13, 2011 Author Share Posted December 13, 2011 The UK foreign policy is just as bad as the US, but on a smaller scale from when the UK ruled Two Thirds of the World in 1870.However the US hasAttempted to overthrow more than 50 governments, most of which were democratically-elected.Attempted to suppress a populist or nationalist movement in 20 countries.Grossly interfered in democratic elections in at least 30 countries.Dropped bombs on the people of more than 30 countries.Attempted to assassinate more than 50 foreign leaders.And killed up to 45 million peole since 1945 in the following countries (William Blum, American historian) AfghanistanAlbaniaAlgeriaAngolaAustraliaBoliviaBosniaBrazilBritish Guiana (now Guyana)BulgariaCambodiaChadChileChinaColombiaCongo (also as Zaire)Costa RicaCubaDominican RepublicEast TimorEcuadorEgyptEl SalvadorFijiFranceGermany (plus East Germany)GhanaGreeceGrenadaGuatemalaHondurasIndiaIndonesiaIran IraqItalyJamaicaJapanKuwaitLaosLebanonLibyaMongoliaMoroccoNepalNicaraguaNorth KoreaPakistanPalestinePanamaPeruPhilippinesPortugalRussiaSeychellesSlovakiaSomaliaSouth AfricaSoviet UnionSudanSurinameSyriaThailandUruguayVenezuelaVietnam (plus North Vietnam)Yemen (plus South Yemen)Yugoslavia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warnie_666 1,081 Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 And I am sure your spineless govt backed them in those operations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 And I am sure your spineless govt backed them in those operations.Probably so. We make no attempt to say otherwise. Our Government is exactly as you said "spineless". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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