Juan Mata

[Sheva. 5,373]

Ha. Pot calling kettle black.

You said agree to disagree on Cole's performance but then decided to have a little jibe in and treating as if the games you watched of Cole's performance is right and others are wrong.

There's no need to argue with anyone who thinks Cole has been great lol. He has been ridiculously average by his high standards.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Pedro has been scoring for fun for Spain recently. Mata is too direct for the Spain team IMO which is why Silva always gets the nod. Mata already won everything with the international team so I pray he just focuses on club level

What does silva have over mata, work rate and strength. Their vision and every other thing is about equal and silva starts more for spain.

If mata can close the gap, he will play more that's what I mean.

The directness of mata is the fact that he just stays up front and waits for the ball almost like a second striker, but if he comes back and works for the team he will play deeper than last season and be less direct because of that

[Barbara 15,149]

His stats look really impressive compared to Ozil considering Mata has less matches and that Mata has been supplying Torres/Ba while for Ozil it's Ronaldo.

I can't trust those stats when they can't have something as age - that can be found even in wikipedia - right...

[didierforever 7,349]

I can't trust those stats when they can't have something as age - that can be found even in wikipedia - right...

they are only 6 months apart. mata is born on 24th april 1988 (my mum's b-day, talk about things meant to be) and ozil is october 15th 1988.

these stats are probably before mata turned 25 because now he has played 124 matches for us.

so the stats probably are not wrong.

[Rom2013 446]

What does silva have over mata, work rate and strength. Their vision and every other thing is about equal and silva starts more for spain.

If mata can close the gap, he will play more that's what I mean.

The directness of mata is the fact that he just stays up front and waits for the ball almost like a second striker, but if he comes back and works for the team he will play deeper than last season and be less direct because of that

That numbers are for the League or for all the competitions?

In Madrid Ozil for all competions in 3 years did almost 100 assists.

Anyone know one statistics site where we can confirm this? Because I red it in the webpage of a paper.

[bushman 2,043]

In Mata I trust to break many records, he is that good.

[The_Flash 1,144]

Ha. Pot calling kettle black.

You said agree to disagree on Cole's performance but then decided to have a little jibe in and treating as if the games you watched of Cole's performance is right and others are wrong.

There is no need to argue. Just get over it someone does not agree with you god forbid. Enough now can we please talk about Mata?

Where are the mods? This place is great except when people carry on like this. Enough now

[kellzfresh 7,229]

That numbers are for the League or for all the competitions?

In Madrid Ozil for all competions in 3 years did almost 100 assists.

Anyone know one statistics site where we can confirm this? Because I red it in the webpage of a paper.

You replied the wrong post :clown:

[Barbara 15,149]

There is no need to argue. Just get over it someone does not agree with you god forbid. Enough now can we please talk about Mata?

Where are the mods? This place is great except when people carry on like this. Enough now

you do realize you're talking to an admin?

forever

That numbers are for the League or for all the competitions?

In Madrid Ozil for all competions in 3 years did almost 100 assists.

Anyone know one statistics site where we can confirm this? Because I red it in the webpage of a paper.

http://espnfc.com/player/_/id/103025/juan-mata?cc=3888

http://espnfc.com/player/_/id/84775/mesut-ozil?cc=3888

Mata goals/assists in 161 matches (last three seasons and the current): 48/70

Mesut goals/assists in 186 matches (last three seasons and the current): 44/99

I didn't bother to drop the NT stats from it though

[The_Flash 1,144]

you do realize you're talking to an admin?

forever

well that says it all really

[didierforever 7,349]

for the sake of comparison, lets do it,

ozil :

games played assists goals scored

2010-11 : 53 25 10

2011-12 : 52 24 07

2012-13 : 52 29 10

overall 157 78 27

mata :

2011-12 : 54 20 12

2012-13 : 64 35 20

overall : 118 55 32

so goals ozil is involved in is 105 in 157 matches at 0.67 goals/match for RM

for mata it is 87 goals in 118 matches at 0.73 goals/match for CHELSEA,

so make what u have to of it.

ps -

by the way is any of u think that is unfair, lets take mata's 2010-11 season with valencia 43 games played, 9 goals scored and 15 assists.

so it changes to 111 in 161 at 0.69 goals/match. still better than ozil's. ENJOY!!!!

[kellzfresh 7,229]

for the sake of comparison, lets do it,

ozil :

games played assists goals scored

2010-11 : 53 25 10

2011-12 : 52 24 07

2012-13 : 52 29 10

overall 157 78 27

mata :

2011-12 : 54 20 12

2012-13 : 64 35 20

overall : 118 55 32

so goals ozil is involved in is 105 in 157 matches at 0.67 goals/match for RM

for mata it is 87 goals in 118 matches at 0.73 goals/match for CHELSEA,

so make what u have to of it.

ps -

by the way is any of u think that is unfair, lets take mata's 2010-11 season with valencia 43 games played, 9 goals scored and 15 assists.

so it changes to 111 in 161 at 0.69 goals/match. still better than ozil's. ENJOY!!!!

Wow ozil's assists look massively reduced there, which site did you get it from. I thought ozil had above 90 assists in 3 seasons

[didierforever 7,349]

Wow ozil's assists look massively reduced there, which site did you get it from. I thought ozil had above 90 assists in 3 seasons

http://www.realmadrid.com/cs/Satellite/en/1193041476158/1330012508587/jugador/Jugador/Ozil.htm

http://espnfc.com/player/_/id/84775/mesut-%C3%B6zil

[Korea 734]

I really hope your not comparing Ozil to Mata, cus OZIl is a whole different level than Mata.

IF he was as good as Ozil, Mata would be starting over Oscar.

Like I said before, Ozil going to win poty for bpl.

[didierforever 7,349]

I really hope your not comparing Ozil to Mata, cus OZIl is a whole different level than Mata.

IF he was as good as Ozil, Mata would be starting over Oscar.

Like I said before, Ozil going to win poty for bpl.

i have given the stats above. please do take a look. also bear in mind that ozil is "assisting" to CR while mata has to do that to torres.

please tell me how ozil is a whole different level???

[Korea 734]

i have given the stats above. please do take a look. also bear in mind that ozil is "assisting" to CR while mata has to do that to torres.

please tell me how ozil is a whole different level???

Ozil starts as a cam for both Arsenal and Germany and he was the number 10 for mourinho real madrid.

Germany has better players their spain now, and he is their best player in germany save lahm and neuer.

Mata wouldnt touch Germany.

However, one think Mata is better than Ozil is scoring (and thats it.)

[Ainsley Harriott 2,732]

I really hope your not comparing Ozil to Mata, cus OZIl is a whole different level than Mata.

IF he was as good as Ozil, Mata would be starting over Oscar.

Like I said before, Ozil going to win poty for bpl.

Stupid argument given Isco drove him away from Real

[Korea 734]

it's like basketball, people assume cause you get assists, your a good passer/creative....

Russell westbrook avg like 7 assists a game and anyone that knows basketball will tell you how rubbish he is as a pg as with derrick rose.

TBH, that what Juan Mata reminds me of. A hybrid pg, someone whose natural position should be SG, however, they play pg cause of their size.

[Korea 734]

Stupid argument given Isco drove him away from Real

Not really, Perez was always going to sell either Di Maria or Ozil.

So, in reality it was the acquisition of Bale, the hiring of Carlos and the idiotic mind of Perez that drove him out. Ozil loved being in Madrid and had good chemistry with the team, however, things happened and he left...

[didierforever 7,349]

Ozil starts as a cam for both Arsenal and Germany and he was the number 10 for mourinho real madrid.

Germany has better players their spain now, and he is their best player in germany save lahm and neuer.

Mata wouldnt touch Germany.

However, one think Mata is better than Ozil is scoring (and thats it.)

so suddenly arsenal is better than chelsea. and pray tell me how did germany get better players than spain? just because they have won the CL? podolski still starts ahead of reus/gotze/muller whenever he is fit and that has got nothing to do, with him being being better than any of them. its what loew prefers.

mata would not touch germany because he does not need to. he is a WC winner, EURO winner, CL and EL winner compared to what? copa del ray.

but yes, ozil is better just because he is germany's no.10. (brilliant argument). and as a person above pointed out, does that make isco better than ozil???