Rubber bullets

No, I'm allowed to have these opinions, and i will say them. Must be feeling angry that apparent forum sweethearts like Kojo get banned due to their own stupidity yet I stay. Hurts you people doesn't it .

Of course, when he doesn't win and then has a massive temper tantrum to try and turn attention away from incidents where he was tactically outsmarted that causes nothing but embarrassment for the club just so he can try and keep hold of his big ego. He doesn't do it for the clubs sake, he does it for himself at the expensive off everyone else.

Yes, but considering people love to bring up Rafa's infamous "fact" rant, having a sheet to try and establish 'facts' to try and defend his time at Madrid which must be considered a failure, not exactly graceful. If this was any other manager doing it you would all be laughing at him and would not want him here.

What, having am anger that acts like a complete twat? If this was not Jose who we were going to hire, but another manager who did the exact same things that Jose did during his tenure at Madrid (poking people in the eye, having breakdowns in the media, making some of the most stupid claims put to man, and going over the edge so badly that by the end he stops doing press conferences), would you honestly be saying that this manager would be perfect for us? No, most people would be fearing that we were about to hire a deranged madman.

Of course I'm going to comment on Jose, because this whole rumour started with the idea that Jose would not want him . Do you honestly have your mouth so far down his cock that you get offended when anyone makes a comment that is not licking Jose's arse. I guess you are going to say its not "worthwhile observation" again .

He hated the Italian media as well, and there is a good reason. Its because they know that he is a massive attention whore that craves attention from the press. The big difference between our press and there press is that they take everything he says with a grain of salt and don't follow his backside unconditionally, and don't take some his stupid behavior as fun and games because it fills their columns. You can tell from that interview that his ego is massivly bruised and he wants to come here because he will once again have a mass following called England that will sucker up to his every word.

This whole idea that Luiz is a liability defensively is for the most part fueled by the media insisting that he is one - using ideas like the stupid 'he should move into midfield' idea to help create it. In my mind he was probably are best defender and I recall very little of his mistakes (which I don't think were that bad as some are trying to make it out) have led to goals. The likes of Terry, Ivanovic and Cahill have been much more of a liability defensively , making stupid mistakes that led to goals (Cahill backing of Adebayor and not closing him up, Terry lunging like a headless chicken against Newcastle and not marking Gervinho that led to Arsenal equalizing, Ivanovic - to many to list). Yes if Barca offer something like £40 million then we might have to consider it. But if Jose wants David Luiz gone because he is seen as defensively a liability, to backs Terry or Cahill, then in my mind he is a flipping idiot

He will be glad that he finally goes to a country which suckers up to every word he says.

That depends if they come and what formation he used. If he were to revert to a 4-3-3 he could well put both Essien and Lampard in it with De Rossi/Modric. Of course what you and me are saying in terms of transfer is just media speculation of course.

So I'm on a wind up tour becuase I have an opinion and I want to defend it when criticized for it. Or is it you just acting like a dick becuase I don't share your opinions on Jose? Also there is a difference in strength between Ozil and Mata, Ozil is about 4 inches taller and has a more physical build then Mata, so my argument is justified.

But I'm saying he was never favored by Mourinho if you actually read my posts properly. He never would make him one of the cornerstones of the team and I fear he will do the same with Mata due to the same problems he had like Joe Cole (e.g. lack of physical strength0 despite all of his benefits outweighing those few negatives.

So what is a worthwhile observation? Something that you agree with? Is it then that it qualifies as a worthwhile observation or otherwise we can just scrap it as useless prattle ? Excuse me for not being overwhelmed by Jose's return to the club. I have a lot of doubts and fears but using your criteria I shouldn't express it because its not "worthwhile observations", how dare someone go against the grain

They have the benefit that they are taller and more physically stronger then Mata, which if you actually took the time to read my posts properly is why I fear that Mata will not be viewed as favorably.

See last post. Note; Robben was a winger for us, never used in a number 10 role.

Joe Cole was groomed to play in the number 10 role (or at least in a central position) at West Ham. It wasn't until he came to Chelsea that he was pushed in an out wide position. The problem will be is what if Jose does not want to use the 4-2-3-1 system, or any system that uses a number 10 role. What if he wants to favour the likes of Lampard because he still scores every once in a wile. That will be the big question and why I make the Mata and Cole comparisons. Also, even if he does use a formation that has a number 10 role. He will still want them to contribute a lot defensively. Unfortunately one of his (very, very few) weaknesses is that he is not particularly strong. And I can see Jose not favoring over this, either changing the formation for others or using more physical players in his lace. Again this is due to my fear that he will try and make Chelsea too physical like in his last season and not favour flair and creativity - trying to use the likes of Lampard and Essien to help relive that image. Even at Real Madrid he had to let some players have a free role despite obviously wanting to make the team a counter-attacking one relying on the strength with the likes of Khedira, Ronaldo, Ramos etc.

There is the problem of their defensive contribution. I don't think Jose every really cared about Joe Cole because of it. I think Jose once even bashed Joe Cole on this issue on national television. I can see him doing the same with Mata even though he is such a vital part of the team and try to push him down the pecking order.. And what I say is known as the concept called an opinion. And I'm sorry if a lot of my opinions go against the grain of other Chelsea fans on the club, but I should be allowed to express them on a free forum without people wanting to try and shut me up.

No I will not, just because my opinion differs from you does not mean I have to keep it shut . Must hurt you so much that you can't ban me for posting since it follows the forum rules.

It will probably be a case where he views him like Joe Cole. Will play him but will never really favour him and will probably (for next season at least) push him aside to accommodate Lampard more, which will be a shame.

What do you think will happen to him next season? I really hope that Jose will give him a look in since he is such a classy player. Although with issues like the Barca connection he will probably either sell him or push him aside for the likes of Essien in the pecking order.

Of course there is also the issue in the article that says Jose would want to keep him. Would this be the first conflict between the board and the new manager? Believing of course that these rumours have any substance.

Of course if that happened then it would be a case of abuse of power. Since I (in my mind) have not broken any rules (except maybe derailing the thead, but then you and others are as guilty as well)

What on how shit Essien was? I can't remember it and if I did not respond it was becuase it was probably us posting the same things over and over again that were going no where. Just like now where you're bringing up someting that happened yesterday but wanted to keep it going. Probably because you're the attention seeker with nothing beter to do but to try and create a flame war. Such pity I have for you.

Odd, I don't seem to remember you ripping my arguments to shreds on what was essentially a subjective debate. You must be another with deep insecurities to try and claim absolute truth on what is subjective debates.

I'm not rating Mikel - but I'm pointing out that he has had far worse things said to him then Essien ever has had, no one has gives a shit despite Mikel being much less injury prone and contributed more to our succes then Essien. Lets tak a look at Essiens contribution season by season. 05/06- Hit and miss, often wsas replced by Eidur 06/07 - Had a good season but we were basing our play too much on strength and power and lost the title because of it. 07/08 - Good but was part of a team that went without a trophy. 08/09 - Injured for most of it. 09/10 - Injured for most of it. Won the title without him though. 10/11 - Apart from the first month, he was god awful. 11/12 - Injured for most of it and was liability when he played. Could not say he played a big rle in our CL success. Again, two season where he was good, but is probaby one of most overrated players to wear a Chelsea shirt.

Ronaldo definetly. I think becuase of his injuries it has sort of distorted his image as a player. But when he was in is prime I had never seen such a clinical striker, not then, not now. Other mentions go to Zidane, Batistuta, Nedved, Henry and as a Chelsea fan - Zola.