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Mikel's positioning was brilliant when everton scored, like a deer in front of headlights.

they seem to defend alright when mikel isnt there

What do you want me to praise him for the games we win ,when he is absent?
When he plays we have a big chance of not winning,what about that do you not understand?
When for instance Lampard plays we are likely to win . Do you understand cause and effect? or are you in the 95/100 pointless passes camp?

well you wouldnt expect us to lose half our games when "the leagues best defensive midfielder" plays would you?

I was watching the one where we lost 1-0 . What did you see?

I can see a ban coming. Only choulo19 ia allowed to use racist banter on this website.

I can see a ban coming. Only choulo19 ia allowed to use racist banter on this website.

OH DEAR.

Showed good movement and positioning.was rusty and hence some poor finishing.

Have to say, I'm completely dumbfounded how anyone could say he was poor. The man sent in a good cross to Ramires which very well could have led to a goal were it not for a great save by Howard, he also set up a chance for Schurrle and also did a nice layoff to Oscar that resulted in a penalty cry. In addition to linking up well with his teammates, he also had (at the minimum), three shots on target. Linked up well, created chances for his teammate, put in a shift for the team and yet still managed to look a goal threat. This was all in his first premier league start, mind you. People have praised Torres for lesser performances. Eto'o put in a very balanced performance from start to finish to say he was poor is being completely unfair.

Yeah. You keep on posting factually incorrect claims and banning/warning people who point out those inaccuracies. You have the license mate.

Beware people, If you point out factual inaccuracies in Choulo19's posts, he is going to use his moderator powers and give you a warning/block you.

Got to love all these ignorants who keep saying that people hate mikel and Mikel is just a scapegoat.
Just because you are too thick to understand that Mikel is not good enough to be a regular started for a club that aims to win trophies like PL and Cl, you start calling others haters.
A guy comes here and says that Mikel is very good at tackling and winning the ball back. Has this guy ever watched Mikel play? or Does he know what tackling and winning the ball back is? Its like when Choulo19 said that Oscar cannot tackle. Why do you people come here to embarass yourself.
PS: reg that UCL final, that is the only style of game where Mikel is remotely useful. Play with 10 men behind the ball, everyone in our own half, Pray that the other team misses loads of chances, misses penalty and voila you are done. Unfortunately that strategy is only gonna win you very few big titles. But I don't expect Choulo19 to understand this basic thing because he just cannot.

Yeah. You keep on posting factually incorrect claims and banning/warning people who point out those inaccuracies. You have the license mate.

I got a whole thread started about me because he got upset with something I said in a private conversation....implied I had a problem with international fans (despite me attending matches and drinking with fans from around the world for almost two decades) to garner sympathy for himself/start a bit of trouble.
In his defence I think he has to make a certain number of posts per day and he's not too fussed about the content/quality.

His second goal vs Norwich tonight..

Fair enough but like i said i don't hate Mikel, im more than happy with him staying but imo we were absolutely awful in the Champions League final, we couldn't get out of our own half for most of it. Yes the players were playing their heart out but you don't concede god knows how many chances if your defense has been good, it was the most one sided cup final i have ever seen.
Chelsea fans, players and club as a whole will never be able to properly re-pay Cech for that night.

Forget about all the haters of Mikel and the ones that say he's shit, stop bringing that into the discussion, I don't care about them and neither should you, this is mine and your debate now.
Best DM in the league is a big claim to make, and it's a claim you've made many times. There is not enough evidence of performances to say Mikel is the best DM in the league, I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one. And by the way if you read my post I said Carlo's 2nd season, not his 1st, you said that he was our star midfielder during carlo era, that still includes 2nd season. You want to go back 4 years ago when we where a different side? Okay sure then but it's not going to do much good, if that's the debate why don't we get Drogba back? Oh that's right he's 35 years old now and not the player he once was.
Ramires was not as inconsistent as Mikel, Ramires had a good patch of games, Mikel didn't. I don't rate Ramires as highly as most of the forum do, infact I hate how bad of a footballer he is at times, and I would choose Mikel over him any day if we are playing in our own half. I beleive Mikel should've started against Bayern and United, but we aren't going to have games like that all the time.
Lets face it Mikel wont fit into the 4-2-3-1, that's not his style, it requires more fluidity, not someone staying back all the time. One thing you need to stop doing is saying stuff like 'great' and 'amazing' it's silly, if he was putting in 'great' performances he would be at Madrid or Barcelona, so lets quit the bull shit. Mikel has let the side down defensively, he's no good in the holding midfield role either, he isn't good off the ball, he can't mark quality players, he can't deal with pace. Mikel can't cover space, it's a huge weakness.
This is the Premier League, players must cover space and Mikel can't do it, the amount of players he has let go in the box, Grant Holt with Norwich springs to mind? Also Luiz wasn't as bad as you thought he was, he did the trick, he added drive that we needed, he would never fit there in the long term no way, he wasn't structured or disciplined enough, Benitez only shot him there to get the ball upfield and do something, we where only trying to win as much games as we could then and midfield was lacking so much. The fact that Mikel has been benched by so many shows that he is lacking in quality, he has shown on the pitch that he can make mistakes and he has. Mikel is and never has been world class because sometimes he can't even do his duty. He has never flourished when he needed to.
5 seasons ago he was the passenger not the maestro, Lampard and Ballack did all the work in midfield, we had a great side then, it wasn't John Obi Xavi Mikel who was pulling all the strings, but for some reason only you remember it that way. He will always be overrated and underrated, and there is a reason for it, because he can't show what he is capable of, not because he didn't have the chance he did, because he failed when he got the opportunity, he lacks character and determination, and it's a huge reason why I think we should sell him.

By the way Choulo that page you just linked, look above Manpe's post and look at mine. I predicted the outcome of Mikel for a long time. I have always been saying this, I'm not just some random hater.

He was not putting 'great' performances under Carlo, you need to understand what 'great' means. We had the worst midfield of the Roman generation in Carlos 2nd season. And you're trying to convince me that Mikel was putting in great performances? Even though Lampard and Essien started most games?
Okay so last season lets go through with this one. John Obi Mikel put in more bad performances than good ones, then most of them were average and below average. Juan Mata, unbelievable season, Oscar and Hazard very impressive first seasons, Ramires had a very strong season and showed us that he is a good ball winner. Lampard was good regardless of what anyone says, yes he left his other players exposed but he did the job when needed to. So I really don't see how anyone was as bad as Mikel? Ake even had a very good set of games for his age.
Stop making things up as you go along, he hasn't proven to any of us that he's good enough for this team, the evidence isn't there for you, you want to challenge me on performances I'm going to win every single time, until Mikel plays consistently well and establishes himself into a team instead of getting benched by centre backs and 18 year olds you can then challenge me on these sort of debates.

Ofcourse he is here. Just like Malouda was here last season. No team will buy this liability.

Was useless as usual in the 40 odd minutes he was on the field. The link between defense and attack that he was supposed to provide was completely missing. He took 9 touches on the ball to complete a grand total of 3 passes in 40 minutes. As a result our defenders had to step up for that role as well (luiz's pass to hazard).
He was just another body on the pitch in the game. 0 tackles, 1 interceptions in 40 minutes of football and people here are raving about him.

Well, he's the one who passed it to Hazard @Stingray
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__CP0AkUc3o

Can't get any dumber than that.
Moving more around the pitch can be proved only using distance covered not by these action areas.
First learn about graphs, figures and logical interpretations and then start applying them.

He does not cover more areas, he just squats around for long periods in different areas.
Seriously, for the last time, watch a chelsea game and then comment.