They are very good players mate, but still second tier (a level bellow very top players). No ona can win major titles without a few very top players, just look at us last year with an average team but Drogba, Lampard, Terry, Cole and Cech. I always view Arsenal with a good team, missing exactly the 2-3 stars it needs. Imagine their team with RVP, Song and top GK. Quite impressive, but are they willing to make spend big to attract those kind of players? I dont think so...