Dion

So you are Indonesian? I've accompanied some Indonesian governors and Indonesian ambassador in Brazil in a conference a few weeks ago. Their english wasn't all that good, I had a bit of trouble translating what they wanted, HAHAHA. But in general they seemed nice and excited to be here, lovely people - except the assistant of governor Cornelius(?!), the guy was a bit of a douche. I know this is your HS Skips, sorry.

What you fail to realize is that Torres was the most expensive signing of the EPL, under massive wages and a player who should be supposedly at his prime or close to it, he should be carrying this team from the moment he joined but instead he's our worst player and someone we can't seem to get rid of. Oscar came for less than half Fernando's price, and as with any other young player, a great part of his price tag comes down to potential, not only his current level. And even then he has made the difference and won matches for us at times. They are two completely different situations and how can you not see it is beyond me or any rational human being.

It's not wrong, but the fact that he couldn't even wait for the game to end before leaving the match thread and come here to bad mouth Oscar should tell you enough how much he wants to bash him. And his detractors are so nonsensical that they decide to do their backlash on him not after Burnley, when he was mediocre on the ball and rarely attempted anything at all, but after Leicester, a game when he tried to make things happen the whole game, even if he was ineffective in the first half. That's what annoys me, all this bashing after yesterday's game sounds completely random and just criticizing him for the sake of pillory. When he actually shows a decent performance and actually participates in creating a goal is when you guys decide it was the last nail in the coffin, lmao.

@Stingray, this one is for you: Not sure if this has been posted before.

So you didn't even bother to wait for the rest of game before evaluating his performance in the match? That's so kind of you. Not only that but you decided to single him out in a half where everyone played below their standards.

Yep, that's exactly what I said. Bring Torres back. You did actually get the point, congratulations. It's always a pleasure to have a conversation with someone who can read.

How come yesterday's game was the last nail in the coffin when his performance was better than against Burnley? The last nail in the coffin is the game when he actually shows improvement? That makes a hell lot of sense. And we shouldn't discuss it because it has been discussed for the last 8 months already. It would be way more productive to discuss his performances in this season, and he's been hot and cold so far.

I'm not even sure Torres is inconsistent. He's consistently bad with the odd average game in between. Oscar can look good at least. But which of our regular starters was 21/22 years old? Even Hazard, arguably our best player, has had his fair share of bad games, although not as many as Oscar. It is bound to happen with the majority of young players.

I concur. I do think Courtois is already better than Cech as many other people here do (or at the very least about the same level while younger), but sometimes I get the feeling that a few people in this thread seem a bit too happy with benching and dismissing Petr for my liking. He's still a top goalkeeper and one who did so much for us, he deserves respectful treatment.

Am I biased in thinking he looks ten times better in a Chelsea jersey? vs.

Tell me about it. I must have been watching the wrong match or that's what I thought in the whole first half.

It is my dream partnership too In all seriousness though, I'm not sure having Ramires instead of Cesc would have made much of a difference there. If anything he would have misplaced some of the passes Cesc performed. And I suppose Matic would still be there but he struggled a bit today.

We were a little bit slow in the first half. But I don't think we ever looked predictable.

Even in the first half he already looked better than in the game against Burnsley. Unfortunately some can't see the difference between individual and team performance and others can't even analyze performance past the scoreboard. Shame.

Matic and Fabregas were also dispossessed in areas that almost led to us conceding a goal. Leicester was pressing and anticipating passes pretty well, many won't acknowledge that but it was the reason why we were countered so dangerously at times.

Love how Courtois doesn't just kick the ball ahead aimlessly but passes to someone close to him maintaining us in possession instead.

My stream has just died, can anyone share another link?

OMG, Oscar, Iva and Costa.

Haven't you noticed this is our worst performance ever? I have seen people nominate at least 5 or 6 players having a shocker today, LMAO.

Same thing as the first part of the first half. It's not that we weren't dominating, it's that we were losing possession in bad positions thus providing them good opportunities to attack us.

We've been a bit slow, yes. But the worst problem was losing possession at the wrong places in the wrong times, those were the times when we looked in danger but even then Courtois had to make what? 1/2 saves? And shots that came from outside the box. We were dictating the game for about half of the time. We suffered some dangerous counter attacks and later we were too slow in our own counter attacks. We weren't too bad IMO. Our finishing was really off though.

Tbf they're way better than I expected and have played this first half really well. Also, I had forgotten how the overreaction here could be absurd, sometimes I feel I'm watching a completely different game from some of the people posting.

Our dribbling hasn't been effective today. We're being dispossessed a lot.

Oscar seems more lively today. Hope he keeps it up.

Amen.