Zinedine Iniesco

I think that what you are saying is that great balance and respect is needed in various forms in a team, and i truly agree with that. You cant and shouldnt always build and fill your teams with superstars with big ego's that cant work in a competent team and to top it off with a incompetent manager and management.Real Madrid 2004-2006 was one of the worst management periods in relevent football history that i can remember, and the failure to a certain extent of the galactico's project, left the club with an unfixable (for now) image in a certain context of course, regarding how this club deal with it self. If you look at how we function right now though, theres no way to improve, its almost immaculate for me. Real Madrid 07-09 was also filled with bullsh@t but to a lower extent, we did have that clown calderon at charge.. Perez came in with stupid crap too by throwing robben and sneijder to the garbage bin, but i dont really regret that to a degree as one might think. His biggest mistake is buying kaka which led to the leaving of sneijder, the fact that they were calderon's star buys and not his, also meant he wanted a revolution at madrid. 09/10 perez brought the bulk players, 10/11 mourinho arrived and brought some more players to complete it more, 11/12 we gave it our first run in top form and could have won a treble as far as im concerned, and bear in mind the team is still young. Makalele, Del Bosque, Hiero, Mcmanaman, went out. Beckham in.. Signified the falling of madrid for quite some time as we preffered money and fame over brains and respect in many ways. Chelsea has had some bad years too in management, scolari, grant, youre lucky it wasnt as bad as our situation, and you had a very good bulk of players.

Dont "worry" about it mate

Its part of my vocabulary, i didn't mean it in a degrading context though, ill try to remove it from my usual vocabulary, if its annoying ok? And anyways, several guys have come here to have nice discussions with me about real, just as i decided to join an entire forum to learn about chelsea ( should get better once this boring transfer thing goes by as i have stated countless times before), i decided to put this place incase anyone cares for it, and apparently some do. So ya... :blue scalf:

Regarding the dream formation topic, i couldnt elaborate as i was getting rushed to leave somewhere, the point spiegel is that that team you posted would be in no way a dream formation for ME, using mourinho's players, because its just not effective enough, and it makes sense really, id rather have something as vertical and fluid as the current real madrid, with a bit of tweaks to improve it, instead of that kind of static midfield, its not the best formation and i think i explained it well. Let me reiterate now that i have time, my formation would most likely be.. Casillas-Better than Cech In My Opinion. Maicon- Could defend well, and attack superbly, another cole, and id rather have that than be limited to the defending of zanetti. Carvalho-Could put ramos in the future as i like ramos' ability to attack, his balls towards the attack, and his headers are amazing. Lucio-Ramos could be the ball playing cb, and lucio that indestructible pillar, id prefer him over terry and pepe, or samuel. Cole- Coentrao could make a case, marcelo if he defended could too, but cole @ prime is one of the best ever imo. Alonso-Spreads balls majestically although his mobility is faulty, maybe i could put lampard but i dont know how good he would be in that kind of cm role, i think sahin could break into this line up if he shows his worth which he will, as he can be as good as alonso and even better as he has great mobility, and is great at age 23. Ballack-could bring balance, recover balls, and do a majestic job. Robben-Without his frame made out of glass, is a no brainer, a midfield of sahin ballack,and a defense such as that one would be more than enough to be free of the need to have a VERY hard working winger, robben tracks back enough. Ozil- part of jose's most creative team ever, a no brainer for me. Ronaldo- Meh, ill put him albeit he could cause some problems. Eto'o- Sorry drogba but eto was just simply the best at his top. -----Casillas---- Maicon--Carvalho--Lucio--Cole Alonso--Ballack- Robben-Ozil-Ronaldo Eto'o with a 433 possibility as well, im talking about a permanent line up btw. Subs: Drogba, Cech, Cambiasso, Zanetti, Terry, Coentrao, Lampard, Joe Cole, Sahin. Maybe Sniejder.

That question has been asked before, and it has been dealt with, this thread isnt going off as far as i know, and theres nothing you can do about it, either enjoy it, or ignore it i posted my reasons, so back track if you want to get educated on the topic, cheers.. :blue scalf:

I have to say that, that formation looks very nice defensively, and if you compare it to his inter side its of the same breath and style, and its defensive as you have decided to valuate mourinho's defensive desires huh? I can concept, regarding his recurring positions, and what you evaluate as his desires, and let me tell you that at prime, thats a team capable of winning cl no doubt, if inter did it, that marvel could maybe dominate the planet but im not entirely convinced... I prefer a more vibrant style of football, pressure up high, counter attack, verticality, and that midfield is far too static..you have to look at how play roles work...during tough games against barcelona, would that formation be able to go mano a mano like real madrid 11/12 has..get more shots on target than barcelona even though they have 40 percent and lower possesion..of course you could still win with that team, but things get a bit less proactive, that midfield is static, you cant really send all that too many balls, i would have put ballack in there at the very least, makalele was a dm with very little chance of going all too forward or sending any powerful balls, same with cambiasso, hes there to steal the ball, so you have little to no creation in the midfield, and on top of that makalele's arsenal has become a bit less (impressive) at the very least, since his times, nowawdays people want versatile people, not just rocks who only steal or recover the ball. Inter had sneijder to move up fast and spray balls, as he played deeper against barcelona, how would lampard, or cole, or eto get any service, if there are two garden rocks behind them? and then when it comes to the attack..its ok, there have been better players than cole under his disposal, i havent watched him play too much at prime, but i assume he was good defensively for you to put him there? id still put robben in my team because my team wouldnt have the liability of not having support, and would be dressed in another fashion, to be powerful enough to score goals, and play its own game against a phenom like barca, like madrid, and we are still improving, and particularly young. I have to leave quicly soon, but before i do ill post a quick team, real madrid under jose has been perfect imo, more goals than anyone, little conceded to a certain degree, hes having the best stats in his career, and madrid's, the man sure knows how to adapt. And by the way read this. http://www.zonalmark...diola-mourinho/ mourinho's formation was good, but there were other factors that tell me, that wouldnt happen 10 out of 10 times if they faced again. my quick formation as i leave for half the day.. Casillas Zanetti Carvalho Lucio Cole Ballack Alonso Sneijder Robben Drogba Eto'o or Casillas Zanetti Carvalho Lucio Cole Alonso Ballack Robben Ozil Ronaldo Drogba Lampard is a great player but i have my own style, ozil has attributes that lampard doesnt, so this is why this is a more personalized idea of my dream team, but i can understand the reasoning behind yours speigel.

Youd have to elaborate because im still lost as to what any of that could mean..

Theres so much wrong in that article..how much hes changed in 12 months?? wtf... Chelsea=barcelona in blue?!!! FFs, even the spanish tabloids come up with better stuff.

I was watching a video on youtube comparing mourinho vs guardiola, the poster posted a "dream formation" of recurring stars from mourinho's teams..rate this team as it is identical as posted by the poster.. @ prime each and every one of them by the way. ----------Casillas------------- Maicon-Carvalho-Lucio-Cole Robben-Alonso-Sneijder-Ronaldo --------Drogba-----Eto'o

Fabio cannavarro is actually thought of as a joke by many italian fans them selves, and fans overall as they condemn his victory of the balon d or.For me maldini is the defender with the best history in the game, what a titan. Pique is actually very good i wont get into details but dont take him too lightly. What i can tell you though is that carvalho is one of my favorite defenders ever but that running style he has, is far too how should i put it.. eccentric... for anyone that is bored, here are some videos which might leave you astonished with the quality of our wonder kid, varane, and the hero him self, mr ramos. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaGbydDe4VM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjKlNO4Jmwg

Puyol is still formidable even at his age, i can say i expect 5-6 more years of top notch ramos ownage and prowess, we will see what happens after.

Question , im interested in how you see this... judging on a player like ramos, or luiz, how many more years would you say that a defender of that class and quality has in " the top quality zone" what do you think is the age where the significant drop for defenders of that class is?

Respect for sergio, i have always respected him and hes one of my favorite players ever, but today, he redeemed him self in a way, for many madrid fans, including me. http://www.marca.com/2012/06/27/futbol/eurocopa_2012/espana/1340833070.html put it in translator if you care to read. Hala Ramos.

Regadring today's madridista's performances, i thought arbeloa,ramos,casillas,alonso all did pretty well, alonso dissapointed me for as long as i can remember with his penalty, hes my favorite player though and if i would to ever get my wish granted to magically play like a player, it would be like him. Coentrao and pepe also did well, and i didnt think ronaldo did BAD, or HORRIBLY, until the very end where he didnt step up, what a shame. I want germany to win the euro now, they have the tools to do so. Lets go mesut. Ronaldo wanted to take the last penalty and get the headlines, he put his trust on his team mates and they failed him, but if i was coach i would have known that starting with a bang would help greatly. I cant believe how unprepared so many top teams look when taking penalties including real madrid this seasonm i would have thought they could have done more to avoid sending balls into earth's orbit (ramos).

Im back now, i made a video on the man.. He's my hero in a way, and i admire him overall for many reasons. Id rather not talk about stonehenge era managers when talking about greats under a certain context, i see it from a realistic point, theres no way the managers and coaches from back then would know as much as the top class managers of today , but thats only one facet of the puzzle. It makes sense really. I would never take a borg,laver,mcenroe, over a nadal, federer, djokovic, you can compare their legacy but not their ability, the present and future will always succeed to be better. Just how id never take real madrid 1950's over real madrid 2012. Things change, and generally for the better. @ ollie, i couldnt care l less for the previous topic,as i had said everything i needed and i doubt anything of worth would be said from anyone afterwards regarding that topic.

Ollie ill end this topic at this, you have a different way of seeing things and you are being too narrow minded to quite understand the most simple right now, from another point of view, i said what i have to say, and now i take a break as i have to go, hopefully when i return i see some more exciting topics and questions in the real madrid thread ive made,and primera liga as right now it is transfer season and theres not much to talk about in this forum other than the recycled topics atm. This topic is closed for ME atm, cya later :blue scalf:

I support real madrid, but that is not the only reason i chose my name, it is a mix between the special one aka jose mourinho, and real madrid.I can care and believe whatever i want to, because i have my reasons. Ollie is acting a bit brash so that is why i cant quite take him seriously. I support germany and spain when it comes to NT'S, i wanted portugal to win today to see if ronaldo could get a better chance at the balon d or, but he and portugal failed.

Dont bother justifying him justin, i cant care less for his rather "lost" opinion @ leif, ya i understand and agree for the most part. Btw i replied to your comment about supporting barcelona over madrid go back and check my reply, id like your response in the primera liga thread

He's butthurt justin, just let him die down over time.

@ Davidson, moutinho deserved to take one but cr7 should have stepped up and started portugal's penalty shootout with a bang, the fact that cr7 didnt go up is the highlight, and it seems quite unfortunate for me. @ Ollie, everything that you wrote there is jiberish concerning the facts around the situation. Im not spanish, and even if i was i could root for whoever i please, so take a hike sister.

Shame on cr7 for letting that dumby bruno alves decide portugal's fate, or moutinho for that matter. he didnt step up, literally. Balon d or to messi.

To finish off, everyone has my sincere apologies if they are needed and anyone gives a dam about them. my conscience is clean and free, ever since i came here i made my intention clear that i want to watch chelsea, and learn about it, to become a fan and have some fun, right now its the transfer season and theres nothing more to talk about, i expect things to get better. i merely stated something, people got angry, maybe they were too shallow and hilarity followed. The mods have my apologies in case i did wrong here.

Hot chick, but that lighting as i have learned from experience by looking at my self in the mirror under such, can sometimes make you look a bit weird, look at her nose and her skin, how weird and "raw" it looks in a way.

In the end chelsea has to do whats best for it self, while ideally keeping respect for its players. If lampard becomes a liability or dispensable under a certain context then he should be benched. Its all in his hands then.

@ You misunderstood, i said i was trolling in little harmless effects about 2 weeks ago, and i reiterated yesterday that i will always admit it when it happensYesterday was not that, it was cause and effect. My responses here are blown out of proportion, i can understand that my opinions and way of countering others at that may be controversial but thats what happens when people cant take my initial opinion in a correct manner, or they state an opinion that i just find horrifyingly wrong. People got annoyed and i decided to play with them a bit, but never did i really insult anyone with language as it was all done in a way in which the other user can maker of what i say what he/she wants. I was being called names in the beggining and i adhered to use some later on. It was all cause and effect. I was no received well upon posting reasonable and logical stuff, and on top of that others posts just ridiculous opinions, from which i then preceded to start the "big bang". Just leave it like that and learn to co-exist. I really did do nothing wrong really, other than arrogance, which had reason behind it, nothing. I wasnt ever proven wrong under an argument or anything was i? Look both ways at the very least. Some members were verbally insulting me in an attempt to save the world.. PEACE to everyone, time to tone things down for everyone.