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Yes and that’s usually the hardest thing esp at a top club, give minutes to the aspiring player. I think many here are disregarding the negative effects that struggling and losing can have on youth. once their confidence is in the shitter they won’t be improving a whole lot.

Nobody said he’s not going to be good enough for Chelsea. Agree that it is too soon for that, but we need goals and good play to win games and help the team, and right now tammy is providing neither. Good enough to lead the line is about perceived potential and also characteristics. We have to look at other top clubs and what type of players work nowadays. I see a lot of mobile skillful strikers and not many target men. Perhaps a really dominant target man would break that, myself and others don’t see that sort of potential in Tammy. Would very much like to be very wrong here tho. Very often hat I want to happen isn’t what I think will happen.

What a sliding tackle that was!

Don’t bother. He never replies with arguments - he has none. that guy just a fucking troll who only likes kids, not chelsea. Absolute worst poster on this site. Some here also overvalue the impact young players can have. Everybody (myself included) wants the shiny new toy, esp homegrown, but results are important to develop these very same younger players. They need stability which is only found with balance and patience. I’ve seen attempts to develop a lot of youngsters all at once... it never ends well. tammy is so very green,. It does not matter if in 6 months from now he’s more settled and scores a few goals, right now it’s hard to win games with him on the pitch. Perhaps @LAM09 has a point and we need to give bats a run of game to actually get some goals in and results.

Oh no, he’s definitely a good finisher and a proven one at that. Unfortunately, he’s also not a very good football player, which makes him quite the wrong choice for a high press.

Hah fair enough. I’m paid for the stuff I actually know, as it should be. the difference between you and I is that I understand I’m a fan and no more than that. The arrogance is very strong on this one. and once again your replies add no content whatsoever. Just a troll.

I very much disagree with calling a player who won us many games, playing as a starter for the entire winning campaign, a turd. I just happen to value silverware, winning, and important goals. you get that I was actually referring to batshuaiy and why he does not get games and has not during the tenure of several managers, right? for every Emerson, who might have been able to contribute sooner and even rotate with Alonso, there were players we never got to see bc they were bad. Emerson btw who had barely played (made that point in his thread many times). I barely saw KDB play. I was one of the 3-4 ppl who saw a lot of potential in salah, but you can’t even do that if the player does not play. The question is always should he even get minutes? whether a player plays or not is entirely up to the manager and coaches at the club. They watch them in practice drills, we don’t. A lot of the poor players we never get to see because coaches will take one look at them and see that they aren’t going to cut it. sometimes they err in not giving time to players who deserve it, and others by giving time to players who don’t, like bakayoko. That’s normal and happens everywhere, but again, we don’t see a lot of their successes. Of course KDB and salah were special fuckups, but those too happen a lot. We shouldn’t be crying for missing on lukaku for 70m now should we? regarding giroud, not sure who you are arguing with - nobody said giroud is going to improve or that he’s a solution for us. Just that at this time, against tough opposition, he’s the better option. Losing or struggling does not help with the confidence of the younger players either. Senior players are more used to these various different situations, whereas youngsters may lose confidence more easily. Giroud also offers more even when he is not scoring, which at this time is more important for the team. I also do not see a lot of potential in tammy tbh, but he should and will get minutes this season. There is no need to rush him though, given that giroud can help at this time of transition and give that air of stability this young team needs.

Couldn’t care less. Either sign the contract or move back to the youth team.

I suspect the reason is that bats is indisciplined and unfocused (low work rate too), which is something managers usually hate, esp in the modern game. regarding cover, we usually run very thin squads regardless of UCL or not. Kinda weird but that’s the way we roll.

We were actually talking about batshuai here sorry for the confusion. or did you really mean Tammy? if so, my point is that frank is the one rushing him this early, and I think that’s the risky part.

Bundle discount!? Realistically, not only the deal would be extremely difficult to pull of, but also, he just would not accept to join us. As mentioned above. our current reality is to try to find the next hazard as a young player and not lose him like we did KDB and salah. Perhaps Pulisic and/or CHO are it, who knows.

For every Emerson, a case where a run of games allows the player to improve, because he actually had potential, there are 100 others who don’t get the minutes because they really shouldn’t. that’s why we have the manager and a myriad of coaches to assess that. Like tomo said, different managers don’t like what they see in bats in training or in matches. looks like the club will rather give Tammy minutes instead, and I have no problem with that. Just think it’s risky business for Lampard.

We watched different games buddy. We conceded 2 goals, he was asleep for one of them. Salah had a strong game and kepa stopped him a couple of times. but please let’s not discuss whether zouma can tackle, defend, win headers, that’s not my point. Likely he will settle and do that consistently. If that’s all it takes for you to think he’s a good starter for us, great! but that is not nearly enough for me.

He did play well against Liverpool. His end product is still poor, with that last pass or shot still not really happening, but everything else was there. He was beaten by Salah a couple times, but that's unavoidable.

You are probably right, but does it even matter if he scores goals or not? He did not flop at united for lack of goals, but for his overall play. United were simply better without him. They won more and played better with a more technical and mobile young striker. The whole point of the game is to win, not to have your striker score useless goals. Lukaku had a good record at united, but even that was a bit misleading because he'd often vanish in tougher matches. He's a bit quirky in terms of characteristics: he's tall and powerful, but not a great target man. He's a poacher without a whole lot of mobility and one who does not really make those off-the-ball runs that poachers need to make. He's got some pace for a big guy, but top teams rarely enjoy a lot of space behind the opponent's defense line. His valuation poses a problem as well, because he will want to play and perhaps he shouldn't start every game for any top club. And no, he's a not a fit athlete.

He could go up one or two notches and we should still be looking for someone better. Zouma does not belong in the starting XI of a top club. Just look at the type of players other top clubs employ. also, cb pairing demands complementary skills, not similar ones. Without a solid passer, rudiger is hardly it, we would be easily pressured by high press sides like city or even Tottenham. Mistakes can be forced too.

Generalizations like this do not quite work. I liked RLC from the get go because he always had the most important: technique tammy does not, so even if he becomes a reliable striker in the future, his ceiling will be lower than someone like Cho for example. Very similar to lukaku in my view - who was also overrated around here. good for you if you want to trust franks judgement right now based on very little. I think he is a work-in-progress the same way many of our younger players are. frank is playing with fire here. As limited as giroud may be, he would've been more likely to score these goals Tammy consistently misses. Another few results like this and he will be facing a sack. Make no mistake, his stardom at the club, and even the ban situation will only buy him so much time as a manager.

Pull some pics of Eden when he joined... hope pulisic doesn’t bulk up the same way Eden did...

Good performance against Liverpool! Really good on the ball. Makes great off-the-ball runs and shows good vision for his age. His shooting looks impressive too. cant wait to see how he develops under frank. Expecting great things form him in the future.

Heh fair enough. we just have differences in what we looks for in different players and positions. i thought I saw enough of zouma to know I’d like someone better to start for us. But yeah hope he can become a good/decent squad player for us since we will def need it.

France has many good players, but they are the best team in the world because of two players who just are able to routinely influence games, esp the big ones: kante and mbappe

Heh the irony is lost here... after one game. yes, and I completely disagree - another mediocre game by him. He’s just not very good playing footy. Did not think my comments were nasty, just joked that you started your post by pretty much accusing folks of judging him by a single game. Even though most of us have been watching him play for a very long time... kinda weird actually.

Hmm they scored immediately on his side after an uncommitted tackle by him. if Andreas is not injured that was a very strange sub given other players were tired and cb don’t have to run as much.

Not a penalty for me but I will take it.

Think frank might be thinking Ross a little lower on the pitch, like CM