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hmm don't follow. AFAIK Mount did not play last season, but Ross did. So, the one player shoehorned here was Mount (presumably based on pre-season performances which don't matter one bit). Like I said, regardless of how promising mount is, and I think he is very promising, this was the sort of game to be a bit more conservative and play the established starters as much a possible. And I think Lampard did not do that at all today. For me the thrashing is on lamps, not the players.

Maybe maybe not, it's hardy the point. Thought both were doing OK, but barkley as a more senior player would've been more likely to influence the game. Like I said, Mount looked promising, but was still ineffective. Nobody said he was ready, and that was a strange choice by Lamps for me: both starting him and then subbing off barkley instead of Mount in this type of game and considering we were already missing some senior players. Regardless what one thinks of united, this was a difficult fixture. Still, I see that he has the close control in tight spaces, which makes him a very interesting prospect. again, Barkley should've remained (for a number of reasons esp goal threat), but that's on lamps with some strange choices before and during the game.

We may have a disagreement regarding the final scoreline BTW, He was also part of the decision-making regarding luiz situation. Perhaps he though Zouma was good enough being a "pure defender" whatever the fuck that means? Regardless, my point was not about Zouma, but the other choices, including high defense line with the likes of Zouma in the mix. Was kante fit? Wasn't Giroud fit? Why subbing off Barkley who was very lively? Could've played Kante next forming a trio CMs for example, even if Kante was a sure sub in the second half (doubt it since he was sitting on the bench). heck he could've played Pedro as a false 9 instead of Tammy. I think Lamps gave too much credit to pre-season development and the team he used there. I have to say it looked like an attacking-minded naive starting lineup considering the match in question.

This only works once. If it becomes a norm, players will start asking themselves why it's always their fault and the manager is never wrong.

heh please don't generalize comments made by a few. Overplaying youngsters has NEVER worked. I know we have a lot of folks who are excited about developing youth, I am too, but it's a slow process most of the time with very few exceptions. On my end, would rather avoid thrashings like this if we can help it. And this sort of result does nothing in developing the youth. Lampard needs to do better. This is the sort of game that a mourinho approach would be justified. Play the senior who are avail and fit, and close down shop. Was expecting more from lampard today.

heh yeah hard to ignore RLC incisiveness as in goals but he's likely long ways from getting back to that form.

Oh no I’m not saying do that in a regular basis, but as an emergency in very special circumstances, like against Arsenal for ex. Not a real strong team in the air anyway. perhaps even zouma will be enough against the typical pl high ball teams, but he’s so poor on the ball and that will get exploited esp. y savvy top attackers.

I truly hope that you are right and that I’m wrong. That all he needs is a good run of games to improve, but I’m just calling the way I see it... his movement, turns, work rate, look all off to me.

Sorry I think Tammy is an awful awful footballer at this time. He is completely lost. Does not even participate enough of the game. i truly hope he improves, but he’s unplayable right now. Perhaps can help against the smaller sides, but this was no game for him.

Unpopular opinion probably, but I’m very impressed with him at United. Yes he was inneffective, but that is down to his selection for this game. He showed really tight control of the football in really tight spaces. Looking forward to his development.

Yes he is, but the other one is a completely inapt player. azpi worked well in a 3cb system and Andreas is pretty good in the air.

disagree. The lack of robustness in the team is a classic reflection of inexperience. Think folks here focus way too much on usual match mistakes that happen all the time. Yes, zouma one was a real bad mistake, but the others were just game circumstances and result from high defense line and in line. football is a team sport and players get more exposed when having to cover for players who are not pulling their weight. When we pretty much play down a men from the get go with Tammy, that will affect all areas of the pitch, not only the attack.

Agreed. Getting old is harsh on players esp fullbacks who rely more on pace. on the other hand, older players get longer to regain fitness early season, so he may still get to his normal level this season. he’s twice the defender zouma is, so no brainer really.

He said United were “clinical”, but overvalued our first half performance, which was not clinical at all. i think it’s the right message to the young players and encouragement, but he likely knows better. Still weird why make a inexperienced lineup even greener with Tammy and mount.. and let me say I do see some pretty impressive things in mount. disagree on Tammy above... his level of play was nowhere good enough.

And it wasn’t just the lack k of scoring, but his overall play. What a strange thing to say given the shoreline. Also considering alonso was our best player last time there. And that’s usually my main disagreement with with some opinions. Football does not give you any points for good play. It only counts goals, which makes that final third quality so important and expensive. yes Emerson made good runs, but his shooting was poor and his crossing worse. Not a good game in my book. I consider alonso a technically far superior player, but he’s getting even slower, which makes me very pessimistic on that left back area going forward.

When that happens it usually is more than than one area. The system failed and you got to question the starting lineup subs. I agree with @Henrique that Barkley was the better player when subbed out. naive starting line up and strategy with a high defense line against stronger opposition in their turf. Hope this was down to circumstance and not what lampard thinks, because this was very poor game management.

United should sign Emerson for DeGea practice session wtf

Huge mistake thinking this is down to luck. Tammy is inapt at this level and his performance just reflected that. united were sharper in the final third because their players in that area are much better than ours. Thought kepa also had a pretty bad game to be honest. very disappointed with lampard today. Very naive starting lineup.

Starting zouma was inevitable, but also starting Tammy for his game is on lampard for me. Too many inexperienced players for this sort of game and it showed big time. mount looks like a good player in the making, but also not for this game and also on lamps for me. Gotta know the difference between this and friendlies. emerson made good runs, but no end product. Simply don’t see azpi as having the horrible game ppl are saying. It’s just the entire defense struggling. Lacked protection too esp on the stupid counters.

Having a bit o possession is not being dominant. We are creating nothing up front. Tammy is also out of his depth. pretty ugly stuff amazing pass by pogba... that’s quality right there.

Yes we looked good in a few moments, and some of he new players looked like they may become good players eventually, but football is about that final pass and that final touch, and that we did not have in the first half. zouma, I’m afraid, looks completely out of his depth as I, and some here were afraid of. Really worried by having to rely on him for the time being.

How can villa not lose this?! What a shitty team with very inapt players all over. Poor first touches by several players handing possession right back to Tottenham. Villa’s #10 (Grealish) in particular was a liability entire second half.

Bakayoko needs to go. We can recall Danny if we’re in a bind, but we actually have some cover in midfield.

Report is that he was sent home to sort out the move. he definitely had an issue with Lampard, so that just showcases his lack of discipline on and off the pitch. It mostly sucks because of the circumstances, which leaves us very thin in yet another area for the very busy upcoming season.

Kinda feels like a kick in the teeth no doubt. still can’t see any of this as positive thing for the club regardless however one rates him as a player. Very thin squad filled with unproven youngsters in an UCL season. Plus injuries... ongoing and possible. it was essentially replacing Luiz with Zouma, who atm belongs in a far lower tier professionally.