BlueLyon

I was talking for this season. And what does these goals tell you about their role in team? Ronaldo wasnt striker and he still scored alot. Lamps and Yaya scored 20 goals once in season from midfield. I mean if you watch matches of Firmino, Dybala, Griezmann vs Kane, Morata, Lukaku, Suarez,...you would know their differences by now.

Dybala would obviously play instead of Giroud but that doesnt make him striker either, he would be CF. What secondary striker? CF is similar to false nine. Striker is striker. Secondary or supporting striker is the player who supports main striker. Different roles. I dont know where you looked for the terminology, but literaly everyone will say the same, I didnt make it up. Except for people who dont know the difference or say it not to confuse others, there have always been CF and striker differences. Its all about the role, not position. Thats like saying Jorginho is same like Matic because both play DM..but their role in team is different. One breaks opponent attacks, the other dictates tempo. Essentialy they both play in same position with different role. And you wont check stats for Matic how much he creates or Jorginho how many tackles he makes and compare those two because they arent same type of player. Likewise you dont compare goals scored by Firmino with Kane or Aguero or Morata, because his role is different. Striker and Cf is same. One is there to position themselves and score, other is to be engaged in attack by either setting up others or score on their own. You clearly dont know the difference here. If the coach was to tell you to play striker or centre forward, it would be a big difference how you would play. If you dont know the difference, it doesnt mean Im making this up or that there is no difference...

You will find those examples everywhere, thought quora will give u simple explanation but i guess not. I think that you dont see difference between role and position? CF and striker all play in same spot, but their role is different. Everyone will tell you Firmino and Dybala are not strikers haha even if they play in same spot. Their qualities are different, their role in team is different. Hence why I said Firmino cant be compared to other proper strikers like Morata, Kane or Aguero in only goals, because Klopp has different role for him. No shit Firmino would play instead of Morata if he was here. But that would mean we play with centre forward or false nine, not with striker because he isnt one. Much like Barca played with no striker for a while with Messi being CF (Villa was often deployed on left wing, but again he was left forward by the role and not typical winger or if they played two upfront, Villa was striker with Messi CF behind him) Striker is someone who runs behind defences, looks for position and tries to score. CF is one who drops back to pick the ball and actively engages in team buildup. Last year Firmino was basicaly feeder for Salah by dropping deep and look for Salaha who ran by defence, picked the ball and finished off the attack. Sure there are anomalies where Firmino will be the one to finish and you will see proper strikers deliver the final ball to wingers or other teammates, but thats rare. Suarez, Kane, Cavani, Aguero,...will often find themselves as player to finish the attack. In Liverpool Firmino usualy sets up the attack, because of his role, thats why he has few goals. Dybala is the same, but he is more prolific, like Messi who isnt striker either, they are both forwards with Mandzukic and Suarez being strikers for their team. Or Griezmann who is CF behind Costa or Kalinic who are strikers. Meanwhile Pool plays without striker, but that doesnt mean Firmino is one just because he plays there. Im not losing a lost cause lady, these are simple basics in football lol. But I understand some call forward and striker same thing because its same position, however role is different.

Wait what? "Straight" striker isnt central forward lady... You can throw Hazard in Morata place and he wont be a striker, but cf. Firmino isnt striker either, but CF, because his role in Klopp system isnt to just score goals, but set them up. Just check this out; https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-a-Center-Forward-CF-and-Striker-ST-Is-it-based-only-on-the-formation

Exactly. And some would consider selling him because he doesnt have end product

You cant possibly be serious about Firmino being a striker? He is more of central forward or secondary/supporting striker/False 9.

I always wanted to keep Costa until there would be proper replacement available. I stand corrected for Lukaku, he is big fish in small pond. Delivers against poor teams, but goes missing against big. His record numbers dont tell the story at all. I would have Kane or Aguero and wouldnt complain. They do their job, simple as that. Sure not 10/10 every game but solid 7/8 in most. Morata was about 9 in recent games but 4 in august and september. I was more happy with Etoo being our striker back then than with Morata so far. But he can improve for sure. At the beggining I was realy excited, but later on he became one whinny bitch and we need proper striker up front. Costa wasnt scoring each game, but would take his presence ahead of invisible crying Morata anyday.

Our best bet is to try and get either Cavani or Suarez next summer because 1.) both will be good for two more seasons and 2.) Psg and Barca will probably look for younger strikers. There are no available under 30 quality strikers we might get. Either they arent available, not good enough, too expensive for Chelsea or just unproven and we cant afford another expensive risk in striker department.

Its actualy great United turned it around because that will boost their mentality for City game. Would be great for us if City lost or at least dropped points.

Others playing shit shouldnt justify our players can play shit. Lukaku isnt anywhere the quality you want to compare your striker with if you want success. Firmino and Salah aint even strikers. Aguero offers much more than just goals to the team... And Morata realy picked form in past month or so, he was shit in almost every game prior. Cant be said for most of other strikers.

Tbh he always blasts straight in GK, misses the whole goal or tries poor attempt in lob. Its gonna be one of the three. Almost never its incredible save by gk but rather poor shot. Suarez misses plenty of easiest chances, but he offers plenty in attacking play. Linkup, dribbling, creating and poses serious threat from anywhere. Morata isnt either a clinical finisher, nor someone that would be realy linking well with the team build up. And he certainly isnt hard worker. He also seeems to lose confidence realy quickly, something Suarez, Lewandowski etc dont. I wouldnt be anywhere as harsh on him if he actualy fought for the team and gave his best every game. But he is always like ''meh if i play well; cool, if not; cool too'' Thats his issue. He is sulking and complaining too much. This isnt boy scouts league.

IMO we monitor him in case Hazard leaves...

Should have 15 by now if he scored all breakaways.

How dare you say something like this about wee baldy man. As admin you should ban yourself for a day and think about what you just said.

In Atletico he played 6 games this season and 4 of those as CB. Hernandez is equaly good as Cb and Lb right now. But he is more suited for CB. Besides he is a leftie and would suit left CB side perfectly next to right footed Rudiger.

Ramos, Bonucci and Pique are only good defenders. But they are great football players. Its big difference here. Terry had his fart moments (and not to be biased, so did Ferdinand, Vidic, Caragher etc) but they were still reliable and great defenders. They knew a thing or two about marking and tactical awarness. Have you seen Ramos defend? He is always caught in 1v1 situations because of poor marking and makes faul to save his ass. And real fans will tell you the same. But he is great leader, motivator and scored some crucial goals. That makes him big game player, but certainly not because of his defending. Varane and Pepe prior were much more reliable defenders when paired with Ramos in recent years (after Pepe settled down). Ramos defending is straight comical. You didnt see that with Terry ever. And Bonucci? Again he was always the worst defender in BBC. Chielini but moreso Barzagli in his prime were miles ahead. But again Bonucci being fancy passer, he got alot of fame. Once he got in Milan team that accomodated him perfectly, he wasnt just poor but worst cb in that team. It was crap team, but Romagnoli was better still, so you cant say it was because of a shit team. One would expect his experience to bring something calm to the team, but he made it worse actualy. In CL finals, he was always allover the place and Chiellini and Barzagli were again the ones to actualy mark the opponents because Bonucci was in wrong places again and again. Pique and Ramos were fantastic for spain yes but that team had possesion all the time and they are great at that. As pure defenders they didnt have such crazy work. Varane and Umitit had bigger role in recent world cup. Speaking of Ramos-Pique duo, they came into world cup as CL winner (Ramos) and Laliga winner (Pique). Both in fantastic form, Ramos played at his best in last few months of season and Pique was realy good alongside Umtiti who almost went unbeaten in laliga. However Pique and Ramos were terrible for Spain. These are all fancy players and they always need a reliable and calm partner alongside to work. Put them alone or in along another fancy CB and you are in for a disaster unless your team doesnt have greatest midfield in history of football (xavi, iniesta, busquets). In the end they arent bad at all, dont get me wrong, but they are extremely overrated. Best defenders in barca were Puyol, Umtiti, not Pique; in Real it was Pepe and Varane, not Ramos, in Juve Chiellini and Barzagli, not Bonucci. But they play fancy football and media just loves them. But best defenders my ass. Alves is getting same recognition for last two seasons but he did jack shit. Media just loves to jump on such players and praise them.

Probably only striker you still arent comfortable with even after he scores 2. I mean sure its nice to have those two goals, but its 1v1 like in the end that show if he is real quality, has composure and finishing ability. And Morata just fucks up everytime in those situations. What if it was 3:3 or something? You need reliable striker, not someone who misses sitters all the time and scores couple of flukes even he doesnt know how it happened. Seriously is there a stat of all 1v1s of Morata and how many he scored/missed?

Rudiger is alright, but we need longterm replacement for Luiz; either Skriniar or Hernandez would be nice. I would wait a bit for Christensen too, maybe he can develop but right now he is just piss. He is too nice for a CB and makes horrible decisions.

We should probably start Kovacic for some more balance and organisation in our attacks and then bring Barkley in second half for a more direct approach if we still needed a goal. So far Barkley and Kante offer very little in our offensive organisation.

Im surprised Sarri didnt try Pedro in central forward role with Hazard and Willian on wings yet. It cant be worse than Morata and Sarri did wonders with Mertens in Napoli.

Crazy that despite the great start, we are still only 3rd and a bunch of teams just behind us, breathing on the neck. Another must win to keep in top 4. I dont want to jynx it, but with our change of play style, I think we will have different boogey teams. We always had hard fixtures vs Nufc, but it was quite easy this year. Maybe it will be the same with Palace.

Yeah he is really amazing with the ball at his feet, I love watching him play as he is entertaining, but that is nothing to say he is great defender. Obviously he is very good, has speed, strength and some good tactical understanding, but still away from being great CB. Against best opposition, still many mistakes. I remember Napoli playing some good sides in CL and Albiol was actualy the better CB in most matches if you consider defensive actions only.

Varane has been dogshit this season, mistake after mistake. Its probably good for madrid that he picked up an injury. But otherwise I agree he was great last season and during WC. On whole level, I do think Umtiti is better, because he is more consistent.

And the hype dies in 3...2...1...

How is his dribbling run relevant to being best defender in the world? It has literaly nothing to do with being CB. The standards these days... Apparently best CBs of past few years like Pique, Bonucci, Ramos get destroyed every time they dont play in absolutely world class team when they have possesion all the time and midfield/attack who scores alot to save their ass. Take a look at Bonucci in Milan, Ramos this year in shit Madrid team. So called best CBs and their defending is on level of football league two. They are great distributors, but give me a break being best CBs. Only worthy are Godin and Chiellini. I miss days of Terry, Puyol, Nesta...you know the days when CBs were actualy good defenders AND distributors. Nowdays any semi professional runs around these "ball playing" CBs in 1v1 situations. Bunch of glorified David Luizes. Obviously Luiz has some great qualities but everyone knows defending isnt one of them except once in 10 games. Same goes to Ramos, Pique, Bonucci etc. Because of these reasons I have doubt about Christensen. Massive potential, but so weak body and completely wrong mindset when on the ball, always complicating things. At least Ramos or Luiz are someone you dont mess with. Christensen needs to bulk up and become more agressive if he wants to play part here.