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Pathetic 😂? Really? Every time these sort of things happen it makes me laugh. Do people not realise they are one of the biggest sides and most well run clubs in the world? Not to mention they’ve won 6 titles in 9 months also under Hansi Flick? Wouldn’t see why anyone would want to go anywhere else at the moment bar maybe Man City but they weren’t in the running. Barca and Real have been doing the same for years also, signing players from their rivals. Its the same idea as PL clubs buying players from smaller clubs, such as us buying Kante and Drinkwater, United buying Maguire, Liverpool buying Van Dijk... I mean should they just not recruit good players familiar to their league? Or any club in any league? 😂

Must be a dream having the choice of playing Laporte with Dias out. Crazy depth when you consider Stone’s improvements as well this year. Nathan Ake as a squad player also (although he isnt anywhere near those 3 right now). Also Eric Garcia although hes leaving them in the summer. Some depth.

He needs to get back to how he was at the start of the season. His all round play has significantly decreased since then after clear visible improvements. I mean against Barnsley his general play was atrocious I felt. He wont be a regular or even kept here longterm if he doesnt improve on that, even more so with Tuchel. Hes still young for a CF so has plenty time to grow but needs to do it.

Aye maybe than we did tonight. But not the other games.

Well to be honest considering they could play as a 3 behind a CF. It does.... Obviously missing Sancho and Sterling but aye its tough for Southgate to pick a squad never mind an 11 if these guys Mason included take their form into tje Euros. Dont disagree with what Austin has said to be honest although, those players are all at a high level. If someone was to miss out, I would say it might be Mason unfortunately although he doesn’t play the wide positions so I think he will be fine and make the squad I still remember watching Maddison at Aberdeen, there was no doubt for me that he would become a top top player but only with the right coach. Brendan Rodgers is that guy who has taken his game to a huge level. Grealish has been instrumental for Villa for 2 seasons now in the PL. Foden is probably the best young English player right now based on his performances.

I suppose it depends on who comes in. If we get a CF who’s younger and not in there prime, having an experienced player to be a bitpart player is easier to sell to them than a younger guy like Abraham. Although I think your right, we need to shift Giroud eventually.

Thank fuck. Gilmour and James fantastic there. Lets home this gives Tammy a bit of a lift because he has been hopeless most of the game as has Ziyech. He looked offside though fucking hell, miles off 🤣 least theres no VAR.

True but if its a mix up of who to play on that if both were fully fit and firing, I think Pulisic would be the main guy in that position. His all round game is superior although Werners goals would be hugely beneficial. And aye I think one of Abraham or Giroud will be gone this summer it we get another high level CF. I would say Abraham as Giroud offers more but hes younger, an academy player and may be harder to shift. Although he hasnt signed a new deal yet has he so maybe not.

The only issue is, with his best games coming on the left for us last season and potentially another CF coming in in the summer, the links with Haaland for example although I think we wont be his top choice but will be looking at him. When Pulisic is fit and firing what will this mean for Werner? As you’ve said he isnt a central striker as such and he isnt a left winger but more a second striker, could be interesting.

Really? Wow. Not great. Still think hes the sort of player we need to keep in the side, he carried us last season basically. Playing a back 4 now. Ziyech as a 10 by looks of it. Unless its a 433 but seems more 4231.

Yeah cant see it. But not surprised the boy who wrote the article does spout some shite based on a huge percentage of some of the others hes done over the years. If he persists with a back 3 then we will need to keep all these CBs: Azpi, Zouma, Christensen, Silva, Rudiger. Also the article mentions several players out on loan, other than Tomori they wont play next season and even then Tomori is likely to sign for Milan as they have a 30m € buy option and has featured prominently so far. Plus comparing Rudiger, stating Tuchel’s love for him, who has played LCB for Roma, Germany and also for us under Conte to Zouma who could really only play centrally or on the right, is daft. More so if we keep 3 at the back. Tomori will be the only CB likely to be leaving this summer I would say. To say Ampadu or Guehi is ready to be part of the squad next season is also severely premature. Also its not as if Thiago Silva is 26, hes 36. He wont last forever and in the next 18 months I would he surprised if he is still playing. I think after the 2022 WC he will retire so lets see.

Tbf hes not had a consistent run of games this season unfortunately, with the wee injuries he’s picked up over the course of the season so far also which have hindered him getting more prominent minutes. I hope we see more of him under TT from the start on the left side of the front 3, he is probably still the one player who will make something happen from nothing. Ziyech also can but has struggled first half and needs more games.

Kepa has been good. Good take there also right before HT. Cant say much for the rest of them. Gilmour and Callum maybe too been better. Abraham, Ziyech, Pulisic anonymous so far. Pitch doesnt help but Barnsley managing to cope so why cant we?

Why is Emerson turning back in there and going to Zouma again? Was like 4 mins ago? Hes left footed open up and let it run across your body. Could of played to Alonso. Thats basic stuff man. Just slows us down again. Hopefully be words said at HT, everything’s ponderous and Abraham cant hold the ball up when it gods to him either so it ls coming back at us.

Interesting with Emerson at LCB. His ability on the ball and being a fullback, probably be similar to playing Azpi on the right in a way. Not exactly but similar. Also, Tammy is so frustrating.

Aye. Still think he preferred Verratti higher up though, probably why he bought Paredes and got Danilo Perreira as they are very comfortable in possession, capable of moving the ball into the opposition half from the defence.

Actually, at Paris he actually used Marquinhos a lot as his deepest midfielder, particularly in bigger games and also had Paredes and Danilo Pereira (signed this summer) to play as that deeper midfielder although Paredes is more closer to a metronome yes. Verratti played a bit higher and had a bit more freedom. Weigl at Dortmund was really the only one in that mould he used in that position although I have no idea about what his set up was like at Mainz.

Their totally different playing styles and positions regardless. Ok Fabregas played deeper under Jose for a bit and with Conte in a MF 2 but under Wenger, Pep, the other Barcelona bosses and Del Bosque he was more of an advanced midfielder or even false 9 (more so for Spain at times after 2010) throughout the most of his career. Comparing most modern day PL midfielders to Fabregas isnt fair either, Fabregas spent countless seasons in the PL and was always one of the best midfield players hands down without a shadow of a doubt, at Arsenal for a few seasons he was fantastic playing as the most advanced midfielder which eventually led to his move to Barca. Probably a modern day PL great, I mean if people consider the likes of Aguero, Kompany, Hazard boys like that then Fabregas is 1000% one, second top assists IIRC. His all round passing ability and final ball is something you rarely see now a days in central midfield players, he was always a threat with long passes in behind teams or short passes in behind teams. Midfield now seem to excel at one or the other. Not both. Bar a handful but these guys are the likes of De Bruyne, Thiago, Pogba and Fernandes. Who are top quality players. But again Jorginho isnt a creative midfielder or even play in the same position Cesc has for the majority of his career. Its like comparing Kevin de Bruyne to Fernandinho. Two totally different players.

He has been one of our best players under Tuchel.... him and Kovacic’s first half v Spurs was as good as I have seen from one of our midfield duos since Kante and Matic v Everton in the 5-0 game at the Bridge under Conte. I know they faded but the whole team did. Theyve kept playing at a decent level and hopefully it continues. The only negative has probably been the reintroduction of Rudiger who showed how clueless he is v Sheffield with that OG that sums him up.

Dont give me that Jason, thats lazy. Guys like Marcus Rashford and Anthony Martial have spent years playing as a left winger under various managers at United but they always come in off the line and played as inside forwards. Eden Hazard also did the same at times here. Its not as if Timo was fixed on the left wing and told he cannot move from there. Its just laziness to suggest so, almost as if everything that happens isn’t Werners or any other underperforming players fault.... Lampard can be only be blamed for so much, I think your purely blaming Lampard and not Werner which isn’t exactly right and its not just the same for Werner its the same for several others. No doubt Lampard’s tactics and style of football deserves some blame but did he say to Timo your playing left wing, you cannot go inside closer to the goal or you have to provide the width in a system where the fullbacks continuously overlap and cross the ball? Don’t be so naive. Look at Pulisic on the left wing for us last season as a prime example how many times did he arrive in the box? How often did he drift inside? A lot. If you cant see that then I suppose we should 100% agree to disagree on Werner. Just seems very biased. As if nothing was his fault. Also v Newcastle he did well, more than just the assist, he and Tammy were the best players on the park quite comfortably.

I agree with Havertz he has a higher ceiling but his age and lack of being played in one prominent position as good as it may seem for someone to be versatile, for me gives him more leniency as ultimately it’s still difficult to see where his actual best position is. Again, with TT we are playing more to Timo’s strengths I will agree but as I said before with Frank in charge, he still had to do more. He isnt a winger for sure but the chances he created for Mount and in the last 2/3 games shows he is able to affect games more even if not playing as a central striker. Being wide on the left he had the chance to come infield more even with Frank but he was nowhere near good enough in those games most of the time and this was a concern. He did it v Newcastle for instance on the left side. Good players are adaptable and find other ways to affect the game, this is why I am disappointed with him the last few months. Others struggled for sure also with Frank but that still doesn’t explain the huge misses or the games he was virtually anonymous playing on the left. His confidence had gone also I think but I mean the chance he created for Mount are you telling me he couldn’t do that under Frank? Or be more productive at times? I get your a huge Werner fan and from your posts I can see this but he has had a huge period where even playing as a LW or CF where he was awful with Frank theres no two ways about it. Can say it was Positions, tactics or whatever but ultimately he still didn’t do enough. And good players even playing out of position, still find ways to affect the game or adapt to the system. Kante under Sarri (after many questions I felt he grew into the role well), Azpilicueta under Conte and now Tuchel, Hudson-Odoi under Tuchel v Wolves.... good players adjust. Obviously you have to accommodate him as he is a very good player and get him performing but he also had to adapt whilst playing on the left, do a job for the team, a position he has played at times in his career and with the German NT, and he simply didn’t at times. Being a striker is the hardest position in football I have no doubts about that but he started well playing on the left and as a CF, why couldnt he replicate or affect games in a way he was before? He could have done much more. Suppose we will probably agree to disagree.

I think Bayern might be where he goes. I really do. Fantastic club and finding another Lewandowski level CF will be a mission so Haaland and maybe Mbappe be their only choices and even then Mbappe is hugely out of their usual price range. Plus isnt there a 65m release clause for Haaland?

Havertz was a 20/21 year old who played in maybe 3/4 different positions in his career when we bought him though and Werner is 24 coming 25 having played as a CF/left sided striker or winger for the majority of his. He is a much more established player with more football under his belt, I get the new league stuff and that but he simply wasn’t good enough regardless of his positions or whatever under Lampard. His finishing was meant to be a strength but he missed at least 5 or 6 big big chances under Lampard that even someone like Morata would probably have scored. I get people mentioned he missed a lot of big chances but that’s acceptable if your still scoring and he wasnt. Even his general play what we see now under Tuchel, we didnt see that under Frank for a time. The blame has to be shared between him and Frank, obviously we know the tactics wasn’t fantastic but individual players of high quality, like Werner is, you’d expect more regardless and its no surprise why people are still sort of concerned that for maybe bar 2 or 3 games in the last 15 he hasn’t looked anywhere near it. Until he scores a goal in the PL people will still be concerned and quite right because he was expected to be a catalyst in terms of adding goals to this side. Havertz you can give a bit more leniency to as hes younger and probably has yet to find his best position in his career as he’s played right wing, upfront, as a 10, as an 8 but again he has also disappointed me this season. Hopefully both improve next season but if they don’t then TT will probably find himself in a similar position to what Frank was because they were signed to be key figures and ultimately, they have to deliver.

Sitting watching Leeds Palace game. Patrick Bamford impresses every time I see him. Not a top 4 or 6 player but his general skill set suits Leeds down to the ground. Deceptively quick as well.

Maybe but the attack being more fluid is probably less to do with the shape right now and more to do with the actual movements from the players. I think the likes of Mount’s goal is probably something we will hopefully see a bit more of over time with the movements in and around the box. Its not as if when we played 4231 or 433 with Frank and even Sarri as if the system was really the issue as opposed to individual player movements. I wouldn't say he’s shoehorning people into positions either for the sake of it. Yes he played CHO as RWB and subbed Pulisic on there also in the first game but other than that he hasnt really shoehorned anyone in anywhere. Also I think Mount, Ziyech, Pulisic, CHO will all suit these narrower positions off a front man like Pedro, Willian and Eden did with Conte because the wingbacks provide the width and moat teams play with a back 4 so it leaves spaces inside for these players. I think normally if Tuchel had a pre season he would of had several different chances to try different formations and maybe we will see that in a cup game but I would think that he will probably stick with the 3 for now as you dont really see managers change from a system that has won 4 games in a row.