didierforever

we have been linked with plenty on CBs over the transfer windows and even now. plus just like the mata rumors i would think there must be some truth in even the luiz rumors. anyways the only difference between the 2 of us is - u r happy with the way luiz performs and things like " Luiz is rated highly by our manager and will continue to play a lot." meanwhile i will be happy when luiz actually fulfils his immense potential, and starts playing every match like a WC defender.

oh the irony... anyways dont wanna get involved in another te-te-te with another luiz fan. so good luck.

just like u guys are going back to luiz's good form in the last season as a CDM as his pro point so why not a title deciding match???

united? when chicha owned him so many times that its embarassing. moreover how do people forget the 2010-11 match against united at OT when if we had won, we could have won the title. but our title challenge stood for about 30 seconds there courtesy of luiz.

20 mil for subotic. save 15 mil because we would not need another.

with city playing negredo-aguero silva fernandinho yaya nasri in yesterday's game plus having an away game in moscow where the same 6 have to start and then the same against us... i feel we have the advantage over them next week.

with 6 schalke first team players out, i feel only they should be panicking...

presonally i feel iva is a much better CB than RB. no pace, never closes down the crosses. but he has the perfect mould for a strong CB. also luiz looked good. strong tackler and more impressively had a nice read of the game which impressed me the most when he played as a CDM. anyways it seems we dont agree on anything at all.

luiz was poor in the start of the season. atleast until november u wuld have said that he has had a pretty average season. it was after rafa's appointment that he shot up. and it was majorly his performances in the mid that caught the eye. i still remember that our best combo last season was azpi-cahill-iva-cole rambo-luiz i remember people hoping for this line-up to start. goes on to say a lot about luiz and his best position. now dont get me wrong, i feel luiz is a wonderful player. his ball winning, on the ball runs and passes are simply something that no CB in the world can have. but are these enough to compensate his lapses in concentration. also again, i am being so critical cos i have read some very exagerating remarks about luiz in the thread. luiz will be our no1 defender and our captain and so on and so forth.

over-hyping and over-rating and over crtitisizing are a part of the game. look at ozil. he was playing better for RM than he is at the moment but hearing the media, u ll think he has gone up a couple of notches. the point is luiz does things to make himself a target again and again. also i seriously think he has to prove that he can lead the defence. he had a hopeless start to the last season and then a wonderful season where he majorly played in the mid. now after coming back to the defence, he has had some very poor moments this season.

dont ask me. ask the ardent luiz fans here!!!

i know. hence the 20-25 mil price tag.

alan hensen, and countless number of pundits and fans. but well i think every1 is wrong in the head since we think luiz is a liabilty. as for neville, i remember him saying in the start of the last season that "david_luiz_plays_as_though__controlled_by_a_10-year-old_on_a_playstation" u want me to name luiz's defensive errors when u cant even see how bad he screwed up against everton for the goal. i mean i get what cech was doing - initiating a counter. i get where rambo went wrong - could not control the ball. now what was luiz doing - tries to close down barkley with mikel and schurlle already on him, and then is ball watching leaving jt and iva exposed. also now u want to compare bosingwa to luiz? bosingwa was not supposed to be the future captain. he was nots supposed to lead our line in a year or 2 at max. luiz is, right now. and he is not doing himself any favors.

so how much do u think they would ask for subotic? do u actually think a defender would cost that much? the costliest defender currently is rio to united and then silva to psg. do u think luiz comes in that league? subotic would have been 20mil. or 25 mil max. that is still 10mil pounds saved plus a better "defender"

since u are so adamant in thinking that luiz does not make silly stupid mistakes, i cant say any thing further. their is a reason he was so good last season, cos he dint play in defence. he is a liability and just like hansen said in motd, he would cost us many points if we continue with him. their is a reason why luiz's defensive mistakes are so talked about by critics and media over any mistake cahill, terry, iva, vidic etc make. and the reason is that their are so many of them.

20 mil for subotic would do the treat then. to think they would demand 35 mil for subotic is exagerattion. they sold gotze to their biggest and only league rivals in munich for 37 mil.

i have explained the everton goal before and going to say it again. norwich i dont blame him completely but it was a reply to your "never made a mistake, this season".

"all i wanted to say is said we could have bought 2 WC center-backs with 35mil. the first example that came to my mind was hummels-subotic (as they were , for me, the best CB pairing last season). but people have discarded all the other iportant points that i made before and after but have concentrated on these 2 names for some weird reason (who were just instinctive names). " 5th time i am saying the same thing.

give away a stupid goal like he did against everton and then perform brilliantly, i would rather take just a good solid performance of not making a mistake and just doing the needful. its not a stupid argument. its a fact. defenders' life is not easy. 89 minutes and 59 seconds of out-of the -world play can go to crap if u do something stupid in the remaining 1 second. cos it will always lead to a goal. this is the 3rd time i am posting this particular part "all i wanted to say is said we could have bought 2 WC center-backs with 35mil. the first example that came to my mind was hummels-subotic (as they were , for me, the best CB pairing last season). but people have discarded all the other iportant points that i made before and after but have concentrated on these 2 names for some weird reason (who were just instinctive names). "

yes... definitely one of the best players. probably 14th best.

"all i wanted to say is said we could have bought 2 WC center-backs with 35mil. the first example that came to my mind was hummels-subotic (as they were , for me, the best CB pairing last season). but people have discarded all the other iportant points that i made before and after but have concentrated on these 2 names for some weird reason (who were just instinctive names). " how conviniently did u not read the main part of my post. but yes, do carry on the hummels-thing do defend luiz. over a whole season? luiz was good just was the 2nd half of the season.but which position - CDM. no one here is debating his class. his ease on the ball and his general ball-play, which is absolutely brillaint. but for a CB- he is a disaster waiting to happen.

in moyes, we trust.

sometimes u have to trust and put your faith in something. and DD repayed it. u dont chuck out people just cos of one mistake how ever big. also since u have deviated from luiz's "mistakes" to DD's slap, then next on the list should be JT since he also missed a pen (another mistake). the comparision are not the same. DD made a human error. he did something stupid. one-thing stupid and i a, sure he regrets it more than any of us. DD dint do it again. luz in the other hand makes amateurish mistakes in the game and it seems after a long- spell, he is returning to that error prone self again.

i concede on hummels. he is error prone. also people should stop making mountain out of mole hills here. all i wanted to say is said we could have bought 2 WC center-backs with 35mil. the first example that came to my mind was hummels-subotic (as they were , for me, the best CB pairing last season). but people have discarded all the other iportant points that i made before and after but have concentrated on these 2 names for some weird reason (who were just instinctive names).

one goal against RM by hummels is not a LOT. also subotic has GOT TO BE one of the best CBs in the world right now without a doubt. cant say the same for hummels. i tolf u those above things cos u said DL has OUTPLAYED them for the last year, which is well hilarious to say the least.