Adnane

Topic won't work, not spontaneous enough, the Moaning Thread was a once in a lifetime thing, now if you guys are trying to force it... Think this will become more of a trolling topic, and i guess we kind of needed it here in TC.

With the level he was playing with at the time, plus the highly complete profile he has, yeah, I would definitely pick Oscar over Mata. Now this is the kind of lottery you're dealing with in football, nobody could have predicted the change of fortune for the two even a few months earlier, that's just the proof that when you are a gambler like Mourinho, you can still lose, even with all the technicity you have. Now excuse me, but where were you when Mata was struggling to get a single minute at Old Trafford and Oscar was bagging goals and delivering game after game at the start of the season ? Selective memory, as usual.

Let's say Maniche Quaresma Better, Mineiro I miss Mikel btw, in his prime ( 2009-2012 level ), this dude would have gave us the imperial 4-3-3 with Cesc and Matic we're all dreaming of.

TC is brilliant these days, you guys are pretty much giving me big entertainment in my work hours, I haven't done a single thing for a while now.

Exactly, everyone will.

Oh yeah, and the exemple people are stating here, 09/10, weren't we lucky ? Drogba at Old Trafford ? Gerrard's backpass ?

Fergie spoke about that in the recent christmas interview, it isn't luck, it's a state of mind, that's what champions are made of. Now excuse me, but if u consider that 8 or 7 of Fergie's PL titles were luck, sorry, but there's no point in debating anymore.

I prefer to hail Hazard, Oscar and Cesc's composure. What I'm definitely sure of, is that 12 months ago, we surely would've lost this game, so yeah, 5 straight away wins ain't luck, really. Now we lacked luck against a lot of opponents, United, Southampton X 2 and Burnley, overall, we didn't get more or less thatn what we deserved.

Considering the fact that QPR dried the pitch on purpose, and played with high physical impact on midfield, breaking each one of our high tempo plays by fouls makes me thing that those scums deserved it.

Anyway, I'm not really worried. United might open up, we're playing at home, in terms of entertainment this could be the game of the season, and we might well turn in a tremendous display and win, add to that 3 points no matter how at the Emirates and everyone will be shouting how good this side has been this season. As usual, opinions change very quickly in football, no one to blame really.

I'm Moroccan, and the only reason i supported Chelsea is for the intensity and desire i've seen in the team in the first games of the Mourinho era ( I was only 11 ). It was pretty close to how i used to play, intense and direct, also, there weren't a lot of teams at the time that were as successful playing the same style, so it was pretty easy. But on the other hand, I don't agree with you, I think that, from an external point of view, this team is more "loveable" than the other ones for newcomers.

I think you're all over reacting here, it's not all black, nor white. We've been hugely unlucky with ref's decisions going against us, at Old Trafford, St Mary and against Burnley at home, as José used to say, in normal conditions, we'd have 10 to 15 points clear at the top by February. All I hear here is, we've been playing shit since December, now excuse me, but no, we played really well at Villa, Everton Home, and Burnley, and those are all February fixtures, stop making an awful lot of it and changing the facts, out bad run started actually against PSG, and still since, we had a brilliant second half against Southampton, solid performance against Hull apart from the last 20 minutes of the first half, and a good overall performance against Stoke. The only games we played really really poor recently to me are QPR, the first half against Southampton, and some glimpses at West Ham and Stoke, really small glimpses. Now the reality is, there is a really thin line between Hero and Zero in football, the latest of proofs is Fab's goal, when you start to interpret the fact as you wish, you can state whatever the hell you want, and what I'm saying here is, people are trying to mislead the general opinion and state that our run since DECEMBER IS SHIT to prove their point, now sorry, you must be talking about a different season. Also, the other reality is, we aren't playing genuinely well in the last games, and that's quite predicted, you never win a Premiership playing like Barcelona at their peak the whole season, do you ? United of the last decade had always shit games where they'd pull the rabbit out of the hat again and again ( Ronaldo, Chicharito, 88 minute comebacks ), and won 5 Premier League titles, do you hear them complaining ? Do you hear people criticizing them ? No, nobody does, and for me, this side is as good as any United side of the last decade, and if we win all our remaining games, we'll reach 94 points, which is 1 shy of the record we established in 2005. So stop complaining about imaginary facts, and stop reading newspapers, because obviously they are influencing you and misleading you on your OWN FUCKING TEAM. Every champion side has had its flaws, and it's never gonna change, we were absolute class the whole season, only for a couple of months now we aren't playing at high level but still getting points, nothing bizarre for me. As i said, the line between success and failure is really thin in football, had JT and Cahill not collided in Silva's goal, we'd be looking at two mouthwatering encounters against Barcelona, with a 7 point lead at the top and a game in hand, and nobody would have talked about how poor we play because the general impression would be Chelsea is amongst the likes of Barcas Bayerns and Reals this season, now don't let one single goal scored on a mistake by our defense mislead your judgement of the entire season, we've been fantastic, had our flaws, and deserve our title more than anyone. Now all this, is just an answer to the "FACTS" the Mourinho haters are presenting to prove their point, if you look straight at em, you'd notice that you're making a too much of it. Also, I can't understand how, as a Chelsea fan, you don't enjoy a 1-0 win at Loftus, with a goal at the 88th minute against the scums to trash their relegation fight dreams, I really can't, this is one of my highlights of the season, I just fucking love this kind of wins, and for me, a Chelsea fan is surely the one who's supposed to enjoy them the most, given the fact it's pretty much on our identity and history now.

Khedira ? Completely useless. One of the most overrated players I have seen ever, his only impact was against Brazil in the WC semis, and we can't judge on that one based on the opposition's display. He's completely useless, maybe a bit strong, but that's it, 90% of his passes are to the back or to the closest player, can't defend, horrendous technique, and complete absence of decent positioning. I'd rather play with 10 than with him on the team, I hope to be mistaken if we ever happen to buy him, but that's the impression I have from the games i watched so far, and I do watch Madrid a lot.

Okay, maybe not reckless, horrible, worse, because he goes with the intention of hurting him.

Nothing serious ? That's serious dangerous play.

I had to download to whole game and publish this short action just after Ibra's sending off. Am I the only one who thinks this event should be highlighted more than Costa's little pushes ?

And what really makes me think so is 2006. Knocked out against Barcelona and had pretty much nothing to do about it, people writing us off even though we dominated the league, criticizing our negative football. Reaching the semis in 2007 and 2009, finalists in 2008, winners in 2012. So yeah, i don't really worry for this team on the big stage, just gonna take some time. What really got us atm us supporters is ourselves, we thought we had what it takes to be both serious Premier League and Champions League contenders, we fell from high, that's just how it is.

José didn't say Big Team. He said next year, I will be ready from day one to tell you we are challenging for the title, and we seem pretty close to getting it. He delivered. We aren't a Europe big 4 team yet, I thought we was in the first half of the season, but we were all mislead, next year we might be, still need to correct those result managing tactics and learn to outplay bigger teams ( because yeah, even though we got great results against them last year doesn't mean we dominated them as some of you are suggesting ). Pretty young team, huge European stage, still a lot to learn, ans as the best manager in our history said, we'll move on quickly.

Pretty recent actually, we dominated both Liverpool in COC here and Everton when Willian scored.

Well I guess everyone highlighted what's wrong about your idea, 3 CLs doesn't make him a decent crisis manager. Plus, I really prefer to base my judgement on the league titles rather than the Champions League, the latter having so many random components in it, just look at how much we deserved to win it but didn't between 2005 and 2011, and what happened when we were really poor. On league titles, José has 7 titles in 15 Years, Ancelotti has 3 in 20 Years, you do realise what that means ? José wins the league one year out of two, almost SEVEN YEARS separate Ancelotti's league triumphs, that's totally ridiculous for a manager people claim to be one of the best ever. The only thing he's got more is the one Champion League, now he's won one on penalties, one against a poor Liverpool side ( And he managed to throw away a 3-0 half time lead against a weaker Scouser side two years earlier ), plus one on an additional time equaliser against a devastated team. Now excuse me, I do give him credit for reaching 4 finals, but the guy's got a huge amount of luck in his finals. Mourinho is 10 Wins out of 12 on finals i think, that is way more impressive than Carlo's records on final. Mourinho is 100% Wins on CL Finals, Carlo is 3 on 4, of course, reached it couple times more but then again, mourinho's record on the finals speaks for itself. Nos just imagine that Mourinho had that bit of luck in his 5 Semi-finals with us and Real combined, two times on penalties, one time on a doubtdul red card, another on a ghost goal and the last one goal shy of qualification. I do recognize that you have to prepare your team the best way you can, but I'm sorry, he's been hugely unlucky here. It's all just to prove to you that you can't judge a manager's ability SOLELY on Champions Leagues, and a Champions League winner manager isn't necessarily a great one. How much Champions League does Ferguson have ? 2. Is Carlo better ? Anyway, I feel like I'm diverting too much on Ancelotti-Mourinho comparisons. Now to come back to my main point, how did he leave Milan ? On crisis, how did he leave us ? On Crisis ? How is Real doing now ? When I talk about crisis, i'm speaking about the moment oponents start to counter your system, find your weaknesses and exploit them. I remember his first year here is legendary both in terms of trophies and Football quality, at the start of the second we looked even better, a couple months later, crisis, losing streak, countless draws, opponents defeating us at Stamford Bridge, additional time wins, and he had no real answer, just won enough games to keep us within points of United ( and the title challenge was extremely poor that year ). At the moment, they sold Xabi, who was their only reliable holding midfielder, Kroos and Modric have both great footballing skills and brains but aren't natural HMs, yesterday, a side technically decent who managed to get away from Real's great pressing caused them huge trouble, ans the likes of us, Bayern and Barcelona are going to press on that even more. I don't know about you, but 4 GOALS at home is ridiculous, 4 goals away at Atletico is worse for the league contention, countless losses this year, and so on. This clearly announces a crisis at Real Madrid. With the right tools, he sets up the team extremely well, but the manager's work isn't on preparing the team solely, it's on keeping your team winning and finding solutions when opponents hit back at you, with all the love i have for him due to his legendary first year here, Carlo is the worst possible man for the situation.

Definitely. He's proved that he can't find solutions in crisis times, and his communication is too soft. So yeah, I'd rather fear a guy like Simeone who would definitely bring winning mentality and fighting culture to their club ( Which is what seems to keep us above our competitors in England atm ) than that guy. Plus, he doesn't have half José's tactical and English Football knowledge, he just has one of the best sides of football history and is setting them up appropriately, when opponents press the weakness, no answer, no reaction, serie of losses/draws.

But Mourinho is the one that stands out from all those you are talking about. I was a bit sceptical about Mourinho's capacity to re-build a whole other brand of team here at Chelsea with a whole different style, he is proving he can atm so he can do anything. And honestly, i can feel he's staying for a long long times, minimum 6-7 years.

What a lot of you seem to overlook is that Kane still benefits from the 1st breaktrough year element of surprise and that he doesn't really have much pressure on him atm, since he's over achieving. You always have a good state of mind when you over achieve, now what I'm waiting for is for him to feel that pressure and still bang goals week after week, i doubt so, plus, we already stopped him in Wembley, once all oponnents will start taking him this seriously it's gonna be interesting. Costa is a game and season changer, and no forward in the world suits us better than him, especially in terms of his attitude, Costa is made for Chelsea and Chelsea is the right place for Costa, keeping him all day long over Kane.

Chelsea - Mourinho Arsenal - Pep City - Simeone United - Klopp/Carlo Liverpool Oh my god bring it on.

Sure, but if i have to choose the most appropriate manager for Chelsea aside from José, it'd definitely be him.