Okay, but again, I was just clearing up. MU's only real local city rival is City. The rest (Liverpool, Everton, Blackburn etc) are Lancashire county teams as well but not in the city of Manchester. But I agree, it isn't a convincing argument. They'd have lost easily this season had we been more consistent. As regards Europe, it's hard to disagree IMO. Barcelona, cheating or otherwise, are a cut above the others and we just have to accept it.