The Skipper

£35m is fair.

You used to be one of his prime defenders, so are you laughing at yourself too?

Why is this thread in the MHS?

Great signing for CCFC. Rumoured to be getting Capoue In as well which isn't bad at all.

I don't think anyone is saying he's one of the best players in the world. What we are saying though is that he is one of the best young talents out there. No one is saying he's the finished product at all - what we're discussing about here is whether Oscar deserves to be mentioned as one of the better prospects in the world, and I think he definitely is. Yeah, okay, he only scored 4 in the PL but he scored 5 in 6 appearances in the CL.

Good job. Server seems to be a lot faster. Will be interesting to see how well it performs on match days.

He's only 18. There's no need to rush whatsoever.

Transfermarkt fees are nowhere near the real life valuation of a player. Like I said before, there's no way Dortmund would sell Hummels for a mere £23m when they don't need the money. I doubt they disclosed how much Hummels is worth to transfermarkt. And again, everyone knows that Porto never sell their players for anything less than the release clause (or close to it). His release clause is £42m. There's no way he'd go for a mere £13m. I'd go by that more than going by any fee transfermarkt puts up. The fact that Luiz is being quoted at £40m whilst transfermarkt had him at £26m should tell you why the fees they put up aren't meant to be taken literally. I don't know why you can't comprehend why people are saying Luiz is better than Hummels. Your example is flawed - we're talking about their form from last season, not their form 3 seasons back. Hummels has been very, very error prone last season and had a bad season whether you like it or not. If going by their recent finished season, a lot of people who watch both on a regular basis would have Luiz over him 9/10 times, I sincerely believe so.

^ Stingray, I'm an Oscar, Mata, KDB and Hazard defender. Is that allowed? For real though, to me it's clear Oscar is one of the top talents in the world right about now simply because he's one of Brazil's best players whenever he does pull on that yellow shirt and because for his first season in Europe he managed to be on the way of establishing himself at a huge club like ourselves with some eye catching performances. Oscar is definitely in my top 10 for young under 23 talents across the world.

He'd have to take a massive wage cut - I don't know, maybe he'd do that. He doesn't strike me as the mercenary sort of type. If we do manage to get Rooney and offload Torres though, you'd have to commend the board for a brilliant job. We'll see though.

Three flaws in your argument: 1) There's no way Hummels would go for £23m, everyone knows that Dortmund have no incentive to sell and he doesn't have a release clause. He'd cost at least £30m/£40m himself since Dortmund are definitely not keen to lose any more of their main players. 2) It is also a well known that Mangala won't go for anything less than his release clause (£42m) - this makes the £40m for Luiz look even worse. 3) Luiz had a way better season than Hummels did. That's why people are saying that Luiz is the better CB, because fact is he has been one of the best in Europe whilst Hummels failed to be even close to that last season. Still waiting for you to provide these supposed two good realistic targets we could get if we accepted a £40m bid.

He's absolutely brilliant.

Sociedad are a really nice team to watch, I think he'd fit right in. Could be a good loan spell for him providing he steps up and provides the goods.

Did you watch any games at all last season? Let's just forget his performances against Tottenham, United and Arsenal (all who play high pressure football) shall we. Yes okay, he didn't really have good games against Man City but to say Mata wasn't better than Hazard last season overall is ridiculous in my opinion. Hazard definitely had the better ending towards the season but overall Mata was definitely our best player. Like I said before, people love writing Mata off. We really are way too spoilt. He was the best number 10 in the world last season.

Mata's not blistering fast but to say he's "slow" is ridiculous. He still has a very decent amount of pace on him.

Let me tell you why Oscar isn't overrated at all. Gotze, Hazard and Reus have all started their careers in Europe, so it's natural you'd think they've shown (according to you) their talent more because you've been exposed by such more. Your claim that Oscar hasn't ever done anything to be mentioned in the same breath as those aforementioned is just ignorant to me, sorry. You act like playing number 10 for Brazil is not a big thing, fine, let's put that aside. What you can't put aside regarding his international appearances is that he, alongside with Neymar, is one of Brazil's best performers on a regular basis. Neymar and Oscar carry Brazil's attack. Yeah, Ronaldinho, Kaka etc. are on the wane and aren't as good as they were before but to say he was practically handed the role as Brazil's playmaker is plain ignorant. He cemented the role at a time when Ganso was considered a great talent, Kaka and Ronaldinho were still doing okay (especially the latter in Brazil), Robinho was still a very valid option, all very decent players. Even the likes of Lucas Moura and Coutinho if you're looking at people his age could not secure that spot in the team despite them all being great talents. He's Brazil's playmaker because he produces excellent performances for them, time and time again, and outshone all of the players mentioned before at the mere age of 20/21. If that doesn't make you acknowledge that he's a great talent then pity for you. You can't just discredit this argument because it's very valid. There's a reason why the club spent ~£20m for him at a time the likes of Barcelona, Milan, Tottenham were interested in him (especially the latter, we practically nicked him from under their noses). He's been on his way as a potential world class player from a very young age - it wasn't a random impulse buy. He's been on the radar of the big clubs since the age of 17 when he made his competitive debut for Sao Paolo - another feat. You don't make your debut at 17 for a club like Sao Paolo if you aren't talented. At Internacional, despite being injured a lot, Oscar grabbed around 20 goals and 20 assists in 70 games at the age of 18-20. If that isn't phenomenal for a player of his age, performing for a big club in Brazil like that, then I don't know. In the U20 World Cup final in 2011 he scored 3 goals. A hat trick against Portugal. The only other person to ever score a hat trick in a World Cup final was sir Geoff Hurst when England won it in 1966. If that doesn't make anyone recognise what a special talent he is then again, I pity for you. Again, I wouldn't really expect anyone to know the aforementioned without doing a bit of research because the Brazilian league is not covered here at all. However, if you couldn't see why he's on his way to become a top talent during his time here then you should go re-watch a couple of games, starting with his first start against Juventus where he played as a number 10, grabbed two goals against a world class keeper in Buffon (especially his 2nd goal which was our goal of the season), whilst effectively keeping one of the best midfielders in the game, Andrea Pirlo, marked out of the game. You have to be an extraordinary talent to be able to do that, especially if you are merely 21 years of age. If that game didn't make you realise what a great talent Oscar and why he's rated as one of the best talents in the world then nothing will. Again, incase you didn't see that game, here is the video (again, please do remember that this was his first ever start for Chelsea): Oscar has such a high ceiling - he's still a bit raw (he's come on a lot since last season mind) but technically very astute, has very good vision, can dribble the ball effectively, his movement and intelligence on and off the ball is fantastic, technique is top notch - match this with his great work rate, defensive ability (he is one of the best I've seen defensively for a number 10), his physical attributes - which he can work on (He's 5 ft 11/6ft, he's only 21 at the moment and can easily fill out his body frame - gym, higher calorie diets etc.) and you'll soon realise why he's rated so highly. To me he has the potential to be one of the most complete footballers because of his attributes and his attitude - he doesn't seem like a trouble maker and he's still very, very young, many people forget that. So yeah, in a nutshell, the above is why I think Oscar is definitely one of the top talents in world football today, and we at Chelsea are lucky to have young stars like Hazard, De Bruyne and himself in our squad, whom all have massive room to improve despite already being great players. Again, to me it's not even really debatable. He's definitely one of the best talents in the world.

How is he overrated? I don't understand. In what context is he overrated? Please elaborate if you're going to call someone overrated, and with good reasons too please. Most people rate Oscar as a player with a very high ceiling. I don't know how that's overrating him at all.

How can anyone with any footballing knowledge call Mata an average player? Can you please share with me whatever you're smoking? Wow.

Brilliant. Very under the radar talent but he's got good potential and is already a great leader. Hopefully he carries on his quiet development and surprises a few in a season or two or three.

Please name these supposed 2 top CBs that are available for a combined £40m?How the hell is Hummels better than Luiz? Do you even watch him play? Luiz is definitely the better CB and would walk into almost any team in the world. People make me laugh. This isn't football manager.

Hazard could've easily gone for £40m/£50m or more if he didn't have a release clause.Besides, his value has gone up anyway since we've signed him. If anyone wanted to buy Hazard right now off us they'd have to pay at least £50m IMO.

Blackman has to be number 3 because of his home grown status.

I personally think Jose has faith in him, and that's why we're probably not buying another midfielder. He certainly has the ability, so it'll be interesting to see how he plays under Mourinho. I think he can be a beast under the right circumstances and given the right role.

He was a crafty little player... RIP.

No ones saying he's shit though if you read. Most people are just saying he won't be a big improvement in midfield so there's no point in buying him.