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Jason

Super Frank Thread

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59 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

Just because klopp did it does not mean we or others might. Many things have to fall in place. And I bet if he had the Cash he would have fixed the issues much sooner. The pep and klopp way is not bulletproof, some may copy it, does not mean they will be as good. Im not talking about short fixes here, why cant you have a strong defence while being progressive? You can play attacking footy, you can play press footy and all that while being strong in defence.

There has to be a balance. You are right, there's no point having the world's best attack with the world's best defence.

But what @Tomo is saying is that the likes of Pep and Klopp refused to buckle to their ideas and philosophy despite not having the personnel in place to maximise it at first. This is where somebody like Mourinho comes into his element as he'll adapt to his players to protect areas of the team that could be exposed. It's great as a short term fix and has won him countless trophies, but it's not a long term model and is why he struggles beyond a couple of seasons anywhere.

Pep and Klopp have ensured that their philosophy is being worked on even when some of the players weren't the correct fit. When they've had the chance to bring players in to suit their style they've mostly hit a home run and have both had huge success since.

I like what Lampard has been trying to do with the team. The early part of the season showed how impressive we looked offensively. For it to fully work however you need width, similar to Klopp's style. Teams have cottoned on that restricting space centrally forces us out wide where our full backs have no offensive threat. The quicker Reece James can be integrated into the team as first choice and show on his early promise, and we buy a left back in a similar mould, we'll be a huge threat because teams will be unable to simply force us wide as we'll have threats from all areas of the pitch when attacking.

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16 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

There has to be a balance. You are right, there's no point having the world's best attack with the world's best defence.

But what @Tomo is saying is that the likes of Pep and Klopp refused to buckle to their ideas and philosophy despite not having the personnel in place to maximise it at first. This is where somebody like Mourinho comes into his element as he'll adapt to his players to protect areas of the team that could be exposed. It's great as a short term fix and has won him countless trophies, but it's not a long term model and is why he struggles beyond a couple of seasons anywhere.

Pep and Klopp have ensured that their philosophy is being worked on even when some of the players weren't the correct fit. When they've had the chance to bring players in to suit their style they've mostly hit a home run and have both had huge success since.

I like what Lampard has been trying to do with the team. The early part of the season showed how impressive we looked offensively. For it to fully work however you need width, similar to Klopp's style. Teams have cottoned on that restricting space centrally forces us out wide where our full backs have no offensive threat. The quicker Reece James can be integrated into the team as first choice and show on his early promise, and we buy a left back in a similar mould, we'll be a huge threat because teams will be unable to simply force us wide as we'll have threats from all areas of the pitch when attacking.

I like our style too mate, it suits us so good when up and running, pacy and direct. Im not saying we should fix the defence to then playing it safe etc. We can game attacking direct footy with high energy and atthe same time have a rock hard defence, its def doable. Your right regarding Width, but its a puzzle now, we have to add by being astute and smart but show ambition too here and there.

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 Happy New Year to everyone proud CHELSEA fans :whisky: let's wish for a great 2020  and our team soon to be CHAMPION again . :whisky:

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We need a striker simple as that. Because Tammy has done good but we have no one to change for him. As well a lb since we are playing azpi there. 

I think that should be priorities right now! 

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Southampton, Bournemouth, Brighton, West Ham...

Blab blah transfer ban blah blah transition blah youngsters

There is no justification for fucking up against such bad teams regularly. Sort it out Frank!

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I would follow Lampard to the fucking abyss. The team is growing and learning from each negative result, no need to disrupt the process.

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I am 100% behind Frank Lampard but it is becoming more and more abundantly clear that he is in this post a good 4/5 years before he was ready for it. 

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5 minutes ago, Azpinator said:

I would follow Lampard to the fucking abyss. The team is growing and learning from each negative result, no need to disrupt the process.

Are they? I'd argue the absolute opposite and say we're making the same mistakes, which is what is so infuriating. 

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8 minutes ago, BlueLion. said:

Are they? I'd argue the absolute opposite and say we're making the same mistakes, which is what is so infuriating. 

Hmmm. I hope Liverpool felt that same way about klopp when they were finishing 10th. 

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Between Jan 22 and Feb 26 we play Arsenal Leicester United Spurs and Bayern. Bring in the left-back and attacker ASAP. This period will be season defining

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1 minute ago, 1905didierblue said:

Hmmm. I hope Liverpool felt that same way about klopp when they were finishing 10th. 

Klopp had experience. 

Lampard's naivety does concern me. I just feel he isn't learning as much as he can from our defeats and disappointing results. He is a long-term appointment, and, like I said, I fully support him, but he deserves criticism just as much as the players do. 

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10 minutes ago, BlueLion. said:

Klopp had experience. 

Lampard's naivety does concern me. I just feel he isn't learning as much as he can from our defeats and disappointing results. He is a long-term appointment, and, like I said, I fully support him, but he deserves criticism just as much as the players do. 

Guess people got to gain experience somewhere but dont think this was the best time to do it. Transfer ban and team that needs work. Throwing him into the mix...just seems badly timed.

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2 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Lampard emphasises how we need to get recruitment right in January. 

We have to, its a must. We cant afford to get dross again for immense amounts. Good on him.

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I‘m also concerned because of the lack of experience but then there is the example of Zidane...jury still out

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15 minutes ago, BlueLion. said:

Klopp had experience. 

Lampard's naivety does concern me. I just feel he isn't learning as much as he can from our defeats and disappointing results. He is a long-term appointment, and, like I said, I fully support him, but he deserves criticism just as much as the players do. 

Funnily enough Klopp had the exact same critisisms thrown at him early on as to what Lampard is now. It took him two and a half years and two record breaking signings until his defensive word were fixed.

That's not me implying we will turn into a century of points standard team within two years, but there's a lot of rewriting of history when it comes to Klopp, even LFC fans were unconvinced he'd build a title challenging side and we all know how biased they are to their own club and players/managers.

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Klopp only sorted his defence out by buying VVD. Otherwise they would be half the defence they are today.

Laporte injured and Guardiola not able to sort his defence out. Let‘s wait for our transfer windows. Still we need to do better against shit teams.

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21 minutes ago, BlueLion. said:

Klopp had experience. 

Lampard's naivety does concern me. I just feel he isn't learning as much as he can from our defeats and disappointing results. He is a long-term appointment, and, like I said, I fully support him, but he deserves criticism just as much as the players do. 

Klopp made the same mistakes too. And that's the point I am trying to make. These guys play a certain way and a certain brand of football. Look at what 2 world class players has done for klopp. 

Tell me his league positions and goals conceded in his first 2 seasons at pool. 

Stop beating lamps with the experience stick and making a mountain out of a molehill. A lot of our problems would be solved by better players. 

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