Super Frank Thread

[Jase 43,479]

14 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

He is right though. Our first 44 minutes against Pool were very good. Our complete match against brighton was horrific. I am also much happier with the first 44 minutes than with our last match against Brighton.

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The problem is, Lampard is basically opening a can of worms with that statement. It's a lot of ifs and buts. And heck, we didn't even score the penalty!

I didn't necessarily mind the counter attacking approach for today but what I didn't like was the passiveness of it. Sure, we limited Liverpool defensively but offensively, we were pathetic. We didn't look like we had a clue on how to counter attack apart from hoping Werner did something. If we were Christian Pulisic FC after the restart last season, then we are pretty much Timo Werner FC at the moment. Also, Havertz upfront? Fine...but launching long balls for him to win against Van Dijk and co...really? 

[Special Juan 27,101]

What's Lampard said tonight to kick dust on another shite showing?

[Vesper 27,310]

if Lamps shits out

one name needs to be at the top of the list

Julian Nagelsmann

plus, we have a small German core already, and if we move for Zakaria or another Budesliga player or players, boom

I am NOT new to this either

been saying to hire him since it was clear Conte was leaving

[Atomiswave 6,072]

2 minutes ago, Vesper said:

if Lamps shits out

one name needs to be at the top of the list

Julian Nagelsmann

plus, we have a small German core already, and if we move for Zakaria or another Budesliga player or players, boom

I am NOT new to this either

been saying to hire him since it was clear Conte was leaving

Him or Poch for me if FL dont last the season....make no mistake Poch could do damage with us.

[Ryan Fong 2,776]

He is right though. Our first 44 minutes against Pool were very good. Our complete match against brighton was horrific. I am also much happier with the first 44 minutes than with our last match against Brighton.

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Count me one, I also think for the first 44 mins we played much better than the Brighton game and Havertz improved his plays quite a lot with linkups, passes and runs into space. IIRC we have more chances than the scums to make attempts in the first half.

[OhForAGreavsie 5,775]

1 minute ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

He was certainly advertised as a world beater....

The minute he became available to Chelsea was the moment for expectations to be recalibrated and, at the very least, for the replacing of highlights videos with all touches ones.

I like Kai. I'm glad we have him. He can drift and he can loose possession but he can also be devastating. If and when we get more fluent, and especially when we get Hakim and Chris into the team, we'll create opportunities for him to hurt opponents. Remember, Eden had plenty of games where nothing was happening for him.

[Vesper 27,310]

6 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

Him or Poch for me if FL dont last the season....make no mistake Poch could do damage with us.

Poch is 2nd on the list

do not really have a 3rd, as the club is not built for Simeone

[Superblue 6,331]

I've no problem with the tactics in the first half. How many times have people on this forum complained that we are far too open and no consideration on defending last season. You only have to look at the Anfield game last season when we were 3 goals down within an hour.

We contained pretty well, and the extra protection with a 3 man midfield was a good decision. I think the only mistake was probably not starting with Giroud who would have been a better focal point and target to hit with this tactic. I feel if we could stay well in the game with 15-20 minutes to go, I think Lampard would have then opened up a bit more. Ironically we created a couple of chances late on like this with just 10 men. 

The issue is that the tactic looks horrific now because we played really defensively in the first half and then were always going to struggle with 10 in the second half. So statistically it looks like we've taken an absolute battering throughout the game.

I think there was an element of maturity about how we did set up today and ultimately we've had go against us a red card, a goalkeeping mistake and a missed penalty. 

Also this idea that the defence hasn't been considered this summer is nonsensical. We've brought a new left back, centre back and goalkeeper, it's just back luck that none are available to play yet. 

[prehuman 119]

18 minutes ago, Vesper said:

if Lamps shits out

one name needs to be at the top of the list

Julian Nagelsmann

plus, we have a small German core already, and if we move for Zakaria or another Budesliga player or players, boom

I am NOT new to this either

been saying to hire him since it was clear Conte was leaving

 

Nagelsmann is the man, no doubt about it.

 

[OhForAGreavsie 5,775]

36 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

And like clockwork, Lampard blaming the red 

It was significant moment in the game and bad odds calculation by Andreas. Ten minutes to go, ok, you commit that foul but a minute before half-time, you take your chances on Mane missing.

[Vesper 27,310]

4 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

 

Also this idea that the defence hasn't been considered this summer is nonsensical. We've brought a new left back, centre back and goalkeeper, it's just back luck that none are available to play yet. 

agree but we need a real DMF

also

one word sums up all the shit in this game 

beyond any other

KEPA

 

[Superblue 6,331]

Just now, Vesper said:

agree but we need a real DMF

also

one word sums up all the shit in this game 

beyond any other

KEPA

 

I would agree but if we play usually with a midfield two, I think Kovacic and Kante gives a good balance moving forward. Obviously if we look at a midfield 3 then this becomes more of an issue. The long term aim must be to move Jorginho on for a more defensive minded midfielder (Rice, Partey, Zakaria for example) but I think this will be a struggle now this season and we've already got so many new faces in.

The biggest problem this season will be if Kante struggles like last year. If he stays fit I think we'll be better in that midfield area, but if he struggles with injuries we look thin for a more defensive presence in there.

[prehuman 119]

Chelsea have lost 32% of their home games under Frank Lampard. 9 of 28.

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

Gets a free pass this time just because it is going to be a different type of season, at least the first one or two months and for me personally this are, let's say, some sort of pre season matches for our club given there was no proper pre season and the many transfers that we did. Clubs like Bayern, Liverpool, City, Madrid etc. that have had little to no departures and play the same line up for some time are going to do just fine and will hit the ground running.

We did not concede before the red card, but still those were coward tactics, it was as if City was playing fucking MK Dons, ok Liverpool were not really missing one sitter after another, but still Chelsea was looking like a pub side, no character, no drive, not even proper counter attacking football, simply the kind of game a small club would play v Liverpool.

As I said FL gets a free pass this time because of the current situation, BUT if nothing changes as soon as Thiago Silva, Chilwell, Pulisic, Ziyech and the new GK come into the starting line up, then he might be in trouble, a front four of Pulisic, Havertz, Ziyech, Werner must have any set of defenders sweat at the thought of facing them, not the other way around. Unfortunately it looked like this today, it really looked like they were scared of this Liverpool team and lost the mental battle as soon as the lineups were released.

[Superblue 6,331]

47 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

And like clockwork, Lampard blaming the red 

Pretty significant moment at 0-0 don't you think?

The biggest problem Lampard has is no matter the tactics, style, philosophy we have a group of defenders who have made individual mistakes regularly. 

There were two huge mistakes today (Christensen & Kepa) which have changed and cost us the game.

One of the best defensive tacticians (certainly of this era) Mourinho has struggled like crazy getting a tune out of Spurs but look at their defence too - Dier. Ben Davies. Aurier. Lloris is hugely overrated too. 

The personnel is not helping but Lampard has made a couple of additions to our defence and a new keeper which will hopefully help sort some of these problems out.

[Special Juan 27,101]

WHY does FL get a free pass on todays game? He isn't ten years old who has just been given the job. He's had diamonds and gold bars shot at him and the football has been shit since last season.

We need to get out of this mindset of wiping the FL tears because he is a club legend...he's done some things well but he has also been shite in a lot of things.

I can't defend him much more.

[Rekin 835]

I am honestly not convinced about Frank as a manager. He has never struck me as a real tactician, but more of a man manager. He is early in his career though, and as any player he will develop. Joining us at this point was too early though most likely, andd I hope it doesnt affect his legacy. 

Personally I will hold off on any real judgement until end of October. When we have Silva, Mendy, Chilwell, Ziyech and Pulisic available for a few games I expect the games to look much better. If we still look toothless at that point then we will for sure have an issue on our hands. 

[Puliiszola 519]

10 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

WHY does FL get a free pass on todays game? He isn't ten years old who has just been given the job. He's had diamonds and gold bars shot at him and the football has been shit since last season.

We need to get out of this mindset of wiping the FL tears because he is a club legend...he's done some things well but he has also been shite in a lot of things.

I can't defend him much more.

Lol