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Jason

Super Frank Thread

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27 minutes ago, Jason said:

First game vs Brighton:

Werner

Mount---Loftus-Cheek---Havertz

Second game vs Liverpool:

Havertz

Werner----------Mount

Third game vs West Brom:

Abraham

Werner---Havertz---Mount

Anyone knows what our attacking plan is? Asking for a friend...

Don't think he actually does, and that's not entirely on him to be fair.

The lineups for our 3 PL games are something like what we would see in a pre-season tournament.

Its a bit unfair on him because he haven't had a real pre-season.

The glaring errors are at the back for me. We still suck at set pieces. Doesn't matter if we have an experienced head in there or not.

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1 minute ago, Blue Armour said:

Don't think he actually does, and that's not entirely on him to be fair.

The lineups for our 3 PL games are something like what we would see in a pre-season tournament.

Its a bit unfair on him because he haven't had a real pre-season.

Pre-season or not, we should be developing an idea, a plan of how we want to attack games already. How is chopping and changing it in every game is gonna help achieve that? Every attacking lineup above requires us to attack differently. How are the players supposed to develop an understanding, chemistry, consistency with all these changes? You would think given we are trying to build a new team here, picking a stable/consistent lineup/system would the best option. Once everything settles, then we should only maybe start tinkering a bit here and there. 

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--------Werner/Tammy
----puli-Havertz-Ziyech

That is our long term line up for this season. We still have to wait to see this line up for couple of weeks til our two boys are back.

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1 minute ago, Jason said:

Pre-season or not, we should be developing an idea, a plan of how we want to attack games already. How is chopping and changing it in every game is gonna help achieve that? Every attacking lineup above requires us to attack differently. How are the players supposed to develop an understanding, chemistry, consistency with all these changes? You would think given we are trying to build a new team here, picking a stable/consistent lineup/system would the best option. Once everything settles, then we should only maybe start tinkering a bit here and there. 

Its not going to help, and I will be REALLY worried if we don't see attacking players lineup consistently in their respective positions, within the next 3 PL games. I would expect Pulisic/Ziyech to claim the RW/LW spots, but that's about it. If I see Mount starting on the wing again, after those 2 become available, then I will really question his tactics.

I'm already worried about the lack of defensive organization. Not sure a new keeper is going to helps us keep clean sheets.

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Just now, killer1257 said:

--------Werner/Tammy
----puli-Havertz-Ziyech

That is our long term line up for this season. We still have to wait to see this line up for couple of weeks til our two boys are back.

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You put Abraham there but think Lampard will drop Mount? :lol: 

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1 minute ago, Blue Armour said:

Its not going to help, and I will be REALLY worried if we don't see attacking players lineup consistently in their respective positions, within the next 3 PL games. I would expect Pulisic/Ziyech to claim the RW/LW spots, but that's about it. If I see Mount starting on the wing again, after those 2 become available, then I will really question his tactics.

Yes, Pulisic and Ziyech returning will help but since they aren't available right now, what is our backup plan? We can't possibly be changing our attacking lineup every game just because 1-2 players are out. 

2 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

I'm already worried about the lack of defensive organization. Not sure a new keeper is going to helps us keep clean sheets.

Let's not get there...

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You put Abraham there but think Lampard will drop Mount?  
At this stage, Mount will play as a no. 6 with Kante,even though he was horrible against Brighton in that position. But Kovacic seems to not be able to play that role either. Sadly, we did not get Thiago because he wanted to earn too much.

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Just now, killer1257 said:

At this stage, Mount will play as a no. 6 with Kante,even though he was horrible against Brighton in that position. But Kovacic seems to not be able to play that role either. Sadly, we did not get Thiago because he wanted to earn too much.

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IF we buy Rice, do you think Mount will play alongside Kante in the pivot? :carlo: 

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2 minutes ago, Jason said:

Yes, Pulisic and Ziyech returning will help but since they aren't available right now, what is our backup plan? We can't possibly be changing our attacking lineup every game just because 1-2 players are out. 

Let's not get there...

I have no idea what Frank is going to choose.

I know what lineup I would select.

The only thing I know Frank might finally have made up his mind on is that Havertz will play CAM, or right behind the CF for best results. That's the only certainty regarding his selection for the attacking players.

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IF we buy Rice, do you think Mount will play alongside Kante in the pivot? :carlo: 
Maybe Rice benches Kante and the two brothers play alongside each other . Nothing suprises me at this stage.
I would rather go for Aouar/Zakaria instead.

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22 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

Don't think he actually does, and that's not entirely on him to be fair.

The lineups for our 3 PL games are something like what we would see in a pre-season tournament.

Its a bit unfair on him because he haven't had a real pre-season.

The glaring errors are at the back for me. We still suck at set pieces. Doesn't matter if we have an experienced head in there or not.

The plan is rely on individual quality hut we don’t have a Hazard or even a Cesc or Diego Costa to make it work and Pulisic and Ziyech arent fit yet. He will be found out if he cannot make a team with players like Havertz, Ziyech and Pulisic play effectively as a unit as opposed to individuals. And the he needs more time argument is an even worse excuse. He’s had almost 10 months of us playing football which is so predictable in attack and relies solely on individuals doing stuff off the cuff as opposed to coordinated patterns or movements. 

8 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

At this stage, Mount will play as a no. 6 with Kante,even though he was horrible against Brighton in that position. But Kovacic seems to not be able to play that role either. Sadly, we did not get Thiago because he wanted to earn too much.

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We never even went for Thiago. And would not because of his age. Bar Silva when have we ever signed anyone 29-30 or over in recent years? 

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We scored 6 goals in the league in 3 games and 4 best attackers scored zero. So this is positive. Kai and Timo can only become much better and Puli and Ziyech are still not fit. Basically we can expect to win games 4-3

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When you not have good option when Chillwell is out : 

 

 Option one :
 

Picking 3-4-3

 

Option two :

Pick Emerson LB

 

Option three :

Pick Azpilicueta LB

But you  still picking Alonso  LB in formation with 4 defenders again  and again , and expect different results .

Stop it Frank .

 

 

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40 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

We scored 6 goals in the league in 3 games and 4 best attackers scored zero. So this is positive. Kai and Timo can only become much better and Puli and Ziyech are still not fit. Basically we can expect to win games 4-3

And conceded 6 too...

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I feel abit sorry for Frank for this reason, think off his transfers as ingredients for a cake, he has the eggs and flour atm but he's missing the milk and sugar, I HOPE he knows exactly what he's going to play like and his starting 11 purely from who he's brought in. So atm he's trying to get by because the players that are available just do not fit how he wants to play, and u can't just make a cake with flour and eggs, he needs his milk  sugar (not sure if these ingredients are right but u get my point). Until and I mean UNTIL I see his full project (cake) on that pitch playing together, I will sit bite my tongue and continue to sit in hope. But atm he's dealt a shitty hand LB he's bought chillwell, CD silva (needs to get fit n sharp) werner, kai just getting used to this league and u can see the potential is there. Think we just need to calm down and wait to see the cake before we can truly judge Frank. I see ppl say same defence issues as last year... Well yeah we are still playing the same shit defenders that's why. We have a new GK LB CD (silva like I say needs to get fit) RW and LW to come into this team thats 5 players just under half the team come on guys keep faith and wait for the end product.

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Lampard singling Alonso out and blaming him in his post match presser. Don't remember ever hearing him single players out and dig into them like that. 

I really can't fault him for selecting Alonso when I think about it. Dave at LB handicaps us and limits our width on the left side. Emerson really doesn't have the IQ you want in a top full back. Alonso can at least offer a set piece presence, both attacking and defending. 

 

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45 minutes ago, BluesMadLad said:

I feel abit sorry for Frank for this reason, think off his transfers as ingredients for a cake, he has the eggs and flour atm but he's missing the milk and sugar, I HOPE he knows exactly what he's going to play like and his starting 11 purely from who he's brought in. So atm he's trying to get by because the players that are available just do not fit how he wants to play, and u can't just make a cake with flour and eggs, he needs his milk  sugar (not sure if these ingredients are right but u get my point). Until and I mean UNTIL I see his full project (cake) on that pitch playing together, I will sit bite my tongue and continue to sit in hope. But atm he's dealt a shitty hand LB he's bought chillwell, CD silva (needs to get fit n sharp) werner, kai just getting used to this league and u can see the potential is there. Think we just need to calm down and wait to see the cake before we can truly judge Frank. I see ppl say same defence issues as last year... Well yeah we are still playing the same shit defenders that's why. We have a new GK LB CD (silva like I say needs to get fit) RW and LW to come into this team thats 5 players just under half the team come on guys keep faith and wait for the end product.

You can have all the right ingredients to make a cake but if you dont have the knowledge to put the right mixture together or find the right recipe - you're fucked!

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9 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

I really can't fault him for selecting Alonso when I think about it. Dave at LB handicaps us and limits our width on the left side.

And yet, Azpi was brought on for Alonso when we were 3-0 down at HT.

10 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Emerson really doesn't have the IQ you want in a top full back.

Neither Emerson nor Alonso are great. They are both crap, to put it kindly, and think we all can agree that. Personally, I would play Emerson simply because he has better athleticism than Alonso. He certainly won't get outrun by a player who started 10 yards (or whatever it was) back!

11 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Alonso can at least offer a set piece presence, both attacking and defending. 

This is a bit of myth. Alonso is useless at defending set pieces. His height is only useful if the ball comes to him. Otherwise, we end up with what happened with West Brom's 3rd goal. 

Also, when was the last time Alonso was a threat in attacking set pieces? Has he ever been a threat? And please, don't give me taking the free kick nonsense. 

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8 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

You can have all the right ingredients to make a cake but if you dont have the knowledge to put the right mixture together or find the right recipe - you're fucked!

Thats true but we haven't tasted the cake yet so we dunno 

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