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Super Frank Thread

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14 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeOr53pxTPg

At least Lampard is making the right conclusions of the game. A lot of individual mistakes. What I think is weird is that Mou did not say anything to Zouma´s performance, which was worse that Christensens.

 

This only works once.

If it becomes a norm, players will start asking themselves why it's always their fault and the manager is never wrong.

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Just now, Robchels said:

This only works once.

If it becomes a norm, players start asking themselves why it's always their fault and the manager is never wrong.

If Zouma makes a stupid tackle, what fault has Lamps in it? Only fault that Lamps made was that he let Zouma play because Rüdiger was not ready. We made four individual mistakes and that is the problem.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeOr53pxTPg

At least Lampard is making the right conclusions of the game. A lot of individual mistakes. What I think is weird is that Mou did not say anything to Zouma´s performance, which was worse that Christensens.

 

I so doubt he is the type to toss a player under the bus in public after the first game of the year

his only other CB option is Tomori, so if went all ratch on Happy, he would alienate 33% of his available centre backs

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55 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

If Zouma makes a stupid tackle, what fault has Lamps in it? Only fault that Lamps made was that he let Zouma play because Rüdiger was not ready. We made four individual mistakes and that is the problem.

 

 

We may have a disagreement regarding the final scoreline ;) 

BTW, He was also part of the decision-making regarding luiz situation. Perhaps he though Zouma was good enough being a "pure defender" whatever the fuck that means?

Regardless, my point was not about Zouma, but the other choices, including high defense line with the likes of Zouma in the mix. Was kante fit? Wasn't Giroud fit? Why subbing off Barkley who was very lively? Could've played Kante next forming a trio CMs for example, even if Kante was a sure sub in the second half (doubt it since he was sitting on the bench).

heck he could've played Pedro as a false 9 instead of Tammy.

I think Lamps gave too much credit to pre-season development and the team he used there. I have to say it looked like an attacking-minded naive starting lineup considering the match in question.

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10 minutes ago, oldportblue said:

love frank and am willing to suffer through this banter season, the situation we are in is not his fault. Having said that, W]we obviously weren't there and don't know exactly how it went down, but it now seems in retrospect that the way the Luiz situation was handled was a mistake.

Like him or not, I think he would have been very valuable stabiziling influence for young squad. Not to mention that he was our best passing/ball playing defender by a billion miles...Maybe Lamps didn't have to announce to him that he was 4th choice so adamantly? He was a great asset and we could have used him to go to a back 3 (formation where the thrives and that could help us given our defense is so shite) occasionally.

Not sure that was dealt with in the best way but as I said, we weren't there and perhaps luiz really didn't leave him much choice... Still think someone very experienced like a carlo would have been able to somehow ease the tensions and keep everyone happy but who knows...

Maybe a rudiger-christiansen back line soon? zouma was shocking.. so was azpi so reece james can't get fit soon enough.

Still haven't lost hope for the season and think the players that will be coming back will be a great help (CHO, RLC, Rudi, James) but top 4 already feeling like a pipedream unfortunately :(

the Luiz situ is bizarre, I do admit that

surely he must have the self-confidence that he would be one of the first 3 CB's to play

there is ZERO chance we can roll every single match with Rudiger (who isnt even playing atm) and AC

if Luiz thought he was worse than Zouma, then he is just crazy (well he is partially crazy anyway, lolol)

it was just such insanely poor timing

it has truly left us hanging, UNLESS (and I am praying for this) Tomori comes good to such an extant that he does indeed (or would have) made Luiz redundant

I have so not seen that Tomori yet

we all best hope he arrives soon (and Rudiger gets healthy FAST)

I do not see (and this is exactly like Alonso and Sarri) what Frank sees in Zouma

at least with Alonso you had the excuse of big height (Zouma is big) and a great free kick taker (Zouma will probably never take a free kick in his Chels career), and Happy is only passed on the shit passer list by Donkeybaka

 

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I knew from the very start this was going to happen, so this result doesn't surprise me. And I expect more 4-0, 5-0 beatings this season, because our squad isn't good enough.

And as for Lampard, I have nothing to say about him as I said I will reserve judgement until October. I treat all managers/coaches fairly.

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20 minutes ago, Mana said:

I knew from the very start this was going to happen, so this result doesn't surprise me. And I expect more 4-0, 5-0 beatings this season, because our squad isn't good enough.

And as for Lampard, I have nothing to say about him as I said I will reserve judgement until October. I treat all managers/coaches fairly.

Don't criticise until September. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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48 minutes ago, Mana said:

I knew from the very start this was going to happen, so this result doesn't surprise me. And I expect more 4-0, 5-0 beatings this season, because our squad isn't good enough.

And as for Lampard, I have nothing to say about him as I said I will reserve judgement until October. I treat all managers/coaches fairly.

hmm you talk as if our starting XI was not filled with national team starters. When Rudiger is back, both him and Andreas start for their respective national teams. Azpi is selectable on the right - only Emerson is not in contention for Brazil. Zouma is poor, but Lampard was behind Luiz departure, so...

In midfield all three players are strong internationals, one being a key player for the last World Champion. The striker, who bizarrely did not start today was also in that same winning WC side. Ross Barkley starts for England and has given good performances so far.

Yes, once we go into wingers and AM, we are lacking, even considering Willian as an international as well. But let's not pretend we aren't a lot stronger than the vast majority of the PL teams. So, yes, Lampard should be given time, but he also needs to do better and adjust accordingly. For example, if he does not have the quality to keep possession, then don't. If the defenders are lacking at the moment protect them by having more defensive mids in the lineup, not more attackers/wingers.

Wasn't the main criticism of Sarri how inflexible he was?

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The fixture list we have is not helping all those hard matches piling up is the least ideal start for a young team that still needs to find its feet.

 

At least the likelihood is low that too many of our players get called up for national team duty so they will be training and fresh for Wolves.

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42 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

The fixture list we have is not helping all those hard matches piling up is the least ideal start for a young team that still needs to find its feet.

At least the likelihood is low that too many of our players get called up for national team duty so they will be training and fresh for Wolves.

At least we have gotten one big away fixture out of the way...

Between now and early November, we will face only one of the big sides in the league - Liverpool in September. So, one would hope that we will pick up wins during that period.

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Yeah those are the sides we'll be picking up points.. Or be the annoying results that cost us. Long as we don't have bad unexpected not needed surprise results like last season

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Mourinho said it perfectly on sky and it's a problem we have had all preseason. We don't attack or defend as a team (he said "block")

When we defend, we defend with 6 whilst Pedro, mount and Barkley stay up. When we press it's the reverse with our front 4 pressing.

If we are going to press high, fine, but the whole team has to be compact high.
There's huge disconnect between the front 4 and the 6 further back and has been all summer. If frank can't sort this out I hope he adapts and becomes more pragmatic.



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8 hours ago, Robchels said:

hmm you talk as if our starting XI was not filled with national team starters. When Rudiger is back, both him and Andreas start for their respective national teams. Azpi is selectable on the right - only Emerson is not in contention for Brazil. Zouma is poor, but Lampard was behind Luiz departure, so...

In midfield all three players are strong internationals, one being a key player for the last World Champion. The striker, who bizarrely did not start today was also in that same winning WC side. Ross Barkley starts for England and has given good performances so far.

Yes, once we go into wingers and AM, we are lacking, even considering Willian as an international as well. But let's not pretend we aren't a lot stronger than the vast majority of the PL teams. So, yes, Lampard should be given time, but he also needs to do better and adjust accordingly. For example, if he does not have the quality to keep possession, then don't. If the defenders are lacking at the moment protect them by having more defensive mids in the lineup, not more attackers/wingers.

Wasn't the main criticism of Sarri how inflexible he was?

Like your post and the points you make. Just to clarifty, Emerson represents Italy and has been selected a couple of times this year.

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13 hours ago, Robchels said:

hmm you talk as if our starting XI was not filled with national team starters. When Rudiger is back, both him and Andreas start for their respective national teams. Azpi is selectable on the right - only Emerson is not in contention for Brazil. Zouma is poor, but Lampard was behind Luiz departure, so...

In midfield all three players are strong internationals, one being a key player for the last World Champion. The striker, who bizarrely did not start today was also in that same winning WC side. Ross Barkley starts for England and has given good performances so far.

Yes, once we go into wingers and AM, we are lacking, even considering Willian as an international as well. But let's not pretend we aren't a lot stronger than the vast majority of the PL teams. So, yes, Lampard should be given time, but he also needs to do better and adjust accordingly. For example, if he does not have the quality to keep possession, then don't. If the defenders are lacking at the moment protect them by having more defensive mids in the lineup, not more attackers/wingers.

Wasn't the main criticism of Sarri how inflexible he was?

Pulisic is a starter for the US team, and the best American footballer on the planet. Pedro has 64 caps for Spain. Both our GK'ers are starters, at least part-time, for their national teams. RLC, Mount and CHO both play and/or have started for England. Omeruo and Baba and Moses  and other loan army members start for their national teams. Hell, Zouma has even started a game for France and had 5 National team trophies. Bats starts for Belgium. Even Tammy has twice been called up for England. Zappa and Emerson for Italy, etc. Hell, Bakayoko has played for France, lolol.

The only 3 players on the 25 main roster who have no international senior call ups are Cumming, Reece (soon to change), and Kenedy (he would be a starter for over 100 nations.)

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I'm very interested to see what Lampard does with the defence moving forward. This isn't just a Lampard problem, Sarri had the same issues last year - we rode our luck so much early in the season until Spurs ripped us apart and then we had the drubbings off City and Bournemouth. After that Sarri allowed the defence to sit deeper and not play as much of a high line and high press. What that did however was make us even more boring and slower in our build up play because we were naturally starting much deeper.

If Lampard is going to play the way he wants to play then we will have to play with a high defensive line because the team needs to press high as one, there cannot be gaps between the 4 defenders, 2 midfielders and 4 attackers because we'll get brutally exposed as the season wears on. I can accept there will be some teething problems and some chastening experiences against some of the big teams potentially this season but we cannot let lesser teams down the league start taking advantage too.

 

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