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Super Frank Thread

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17 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

And why is it that only the injury prone players get injured all the time? Mount, Zouma, Rüdiger, Azpi (today someone injured him with a knee) seem fine to me. Should Pulisic train alon, instead with the team?

Look at Pulisic. He started sprinting and got injured without anyone touching him. Now watch Dembele. He always injures himself when he starts sprinting and that is the same. You can't make guys like Dembele, Pulisic or Wilshere into Messi or Ronaldo, who never get injured.

I know, you will come out and say, look at Kante. He is now injury prone. Sarri destroyed his hammy last season with injections. It took him 3 months to recover from it.

The only thing Lamps could change is maybe starting Pulisic once a week because his body cannot take high intensity football

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Your replies to this is as predictable as our injury problems. Bloody tired of the excuses given to Lampard on this by now.

Look, I don't care if it is Pulisic or Kante or someone who is injury prone at this point, the fact of the matter is A LOT of our injury problems have been muscle injuries. That points to something wrong with the conditioning work or how the players are being worked in training. When was the last time we had so many injuries of the same kind in one season? Maybe Lampard thought he was a fitness freak in his playing days, could play 15-20 games in a row without getting injured and now expects his players to do the same and is training them like that. It hasn't worked and it won't work and the latest two such injuries have come after a free week! We will not get anywhere if we keep having players, key players getting random muscle injuries out of nowhere. Who's to say Werner, Ziyech or whoever next season won't suddenly pick up one such injury and then miss like 3 months or something? Then what? Moreover, how many times have we had a free week this season to prepare for a game, only to look tired or lack any intensity required to win the game? Our performances have been better when we don't have a free week compared to when we have! If you want to keep bailing Lampard out, fine go ahead but mark my words, if he doesn't look this for next season and tweak his training sessions, the same problems will occur and we'll be having this same conversation again. 

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Your replies to this is as predictable as our injury problems. Bloody tired of the excuses given to Lampard on this by now.
Look, I don't care if it is Pulisic or Kante or someone who is injury prone at this point, the fact of the matter is A LOT of our injury problems have been muscle injuries. That points to something wrong with the conditioning work or how the players are being worked in training. When was the last time we had so many injuries of the same kind in one season? Maybe Lampard thought he was a fitness freak in his playing days, could play 15-20 games in a row without getting injured and now expects his players to do the same and is training them like that. It hasn't worked and it won't work and the latest two such injuries have come after a free week! We will not get anywhere if we keep having players, key players getting random muscle injuries out of nowhere. Who's to say Werner, Ziyech or whoever next season won't suddenly pick up one such injury and then miss like 3 months or something? Then what? Moreover, how many times have we had a free week this season to prepare for a game, only to look tired or lack any intensity required to win the game? Our performances have been better when we don't have a free week compared to when we have! If you want to keep bailing Lampard out, fine go ahead but mark my words, if he doesn't look this for next season and tweak his training sessions, the same problems will occur and we'll be having this same conversation again. 
Its mostly down to the staff. As you are saying these are MUSCULAR injuries. Most of these will be from the wear and tear of overuse. Overuse will mostly commonly come from poor recovery between matches. With sports science today, there's no excuse. Massage therapy to flush out lactic acid and rush fresh blood into the muscles as well as keep them supple. The players activity level will be monitored throughout the week. I reckon cobham will have an amazing team. We've been brilliant with healthy players for years.

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1 minute ago, Supermonkey92 said:

We've been brilliant with healthy players for years.

Until 2018/19...

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At the end of the day, the FA Cup final was a bonus and it's a shame we didn't get a trophy this season.

I know we have got top 4, which is 100x more important than this final, and I know I have to stick to my word about criticising Lampard until 2021...

But this?!

We may get in better players, but until Lampard majorly improves himself, next season - around this time we will be here pissed off. He hasn't changed from his Derby season. Hasn't at all.

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6 minutes ago, Mana said:

At the end of the day, the FA Cup final was a bonus and it's a shame we didn't get a trophy this season.

I know we have got top 4, which is 100x more important than this final, and I know I have to stick to my word about criticising Lampard until 2021...

But this?!

We may get in better players, but until Lampard majorly improves himself, next season - around this time we will be here pissed off. He hasn't changed from his Derby season. Hasn't at all.

Eddie Howe has just left Bournemouth. Do you want him as the manager? :ph34r:

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1 minute ago, Jason said:

Eddie Howe has just left Bournemouth. Do you want him as the manager? :ph34r:

Haha, I see you still remember that time me gunning for Howe. :lol:

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Your replies to this is as predictable as our injury problems. Bloody tired of the excuses given to Lampard on this by now.

Look, I don't care if it is Pulisic or Kante or someone who is injury prone at this point, the fact of the matter is A LOT of our injury problems have been muscle injuries. That points to something wrong with the conditioning work or how the players are being worked in training. When was the last time we had so many injuries of the same kind in one season? Maybe Lampard thought he was a fitness freak in his playing days, could play 15-20 games in a row without getting injured and now expects his players to do the same and is training them like that. It hasn't worked and it won't work and the latest two such injuries have come after a free week! We will not get anywhere if we keep having players, key players getting random muscle injuries out of nowhere. Who's to say Werner, Ziyech or whoever next season won't suddenly pick up one such injury and then miss like 3 months or something? Then what? Moreover, how many times have we had a free week this season to prepare for a game, only to look tired or lack any intensity required to win the game? Our performances have been better when we don't have a free week compared to when we have! If you want to keep bailing Lampard out, fine go ahead but mark my words, if he doesn't look this for next season and tweak his training sessions, the same problems will occur and we'll be having this same conversation again. 

 

Your replies are even more predictable lol.

 

We bought one of the most injury prone Bundesliga players and you expect him to be fully fit in a league, which is far more intense than Bundesliga. Pulisic missed more than 2 months last season and you give Lampard the fault that he gets injured. By the way, last season at BVB, he only got MUSCLE injuries. So he missed two and a half months with MUSCLE injuries and you give Lampard the fault that he gets MUSCLE injuries? If Zouma got muscle injuries all the time, I am the first one to say that maybe we should look deeper into it, but critisizing Lamps for Pulisic's injuries is insane.l am injury prone myself and I do not give other people the fault for my injuries. It is what it is.

 

Why is it Lamps fault that Sarri did play injured Kante, which had long term effects on Kante's hammy? Lampard did not ruin Kante's hammy, it was Sarri that did not care. Kante is now injury prone.

 

And I am fine having this conversation again next season, but not when Pulisic or Kante get injured. When non injury prone players start getting injured, we may have a bigger issue.

 

And in the past, we had more physically solid players. Drogba, Anelka, Lampard etc. Rarely get injured because they just are not injury prone. Even Hazard, one of the most fouled players in PL history rarely got injured, but now he is very injury prone because someone destroyed his ankle. When these injuries start occurring, it is hard to get rid of them.

 

 

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Here’s what I genuinely expect next season: 

No more 343. With the recruitment coming in, I will not accept any shithousery when this team has already shown they are capable playing progressive football. 
 

We should now be comfortably closing games out. Granted, Pulisic has shown to be our only match winner this season, but with the inclusion of Werner, Havertz, and Ziyech, we now have game winners across the pitch. 


Organization on counters. Lampard will have had now almost 16 months in management and I expect him to improve on our organisation when our players are in the third and lose the ball. 
 

Defending set pieces. Whether or not we improve on GK, LB, and CB, defending set pieces should not be as much as a problem it was for us this season. This is simply coaching. The moment we reverted to man marking, this has improved ten fold. 
 

Lastly, IN GAME MANAGEMENT. I expect now, with a year of experience and the new recruitment, Lampard will take the initiative and address issues immediately in game before it’s too late. 

 

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Well, it been a while since I've been here.

Season it now done and dusted (let's be real we ain't turning it around next week)

At the start of the season, my expectations were 

Top four challenge - Met and exceeded 

A good cup run - Met  and exceeded 

Get out the group of the UCL - Met 

So I'm happy and think we have had a good season considering we had a ban lost hazard and promoted a lot of youth and have a lot of deadwood in this squad. 

 

Now going forward Lampard has it all to do to get us back near the top two. 

It is clear that he is going to be backed in the market with two great signings so far and linked with some more great players.

Lampard's biggest challenge is getting some backbone back into this team cos we don't have any right now. 

Kepa - not good enough but IMO we have bigger issues in front of us, plus we won't get anywhere near the money back for him.

Willy - only good for a 3rd choice IMO 

Defence - where to begin with this joke of a defence.

Dave had a torrid start to the season but become his old self as the season went on.

Tomori for me was our best defender showing the best potential injuries ruined it for him 

Zouma prob had two decent games, what worries me is that he has no passing ability  

James Best crosser by a mile think he is out of his depth as a RWB he is a RB he needs to work with a leader at the back to help him improve 

Rudiger is shit get rid asap

Alonso, apart from one or two freekicks he offers nothing get rid

Christensen game reading is poor, weak get rid 

MIDFIELD

Kante prob not his best season in blue but still solid, injuries messed him up

Kovacic 2nd best player for us this season outstanding player 

Jorginho works very well with Kovacic, controls the game well for us 

Barkley, i want to love this guy but he just doesn't have a football brain 

Mount POTY, Took the season by the balls showed us what he can do and that Chelsea is in his blood, great future for him

RLC needs to get fit and fast cos he may miss out because of it 

Gilmour - very exciting future for this lad 

THE ATTACK

Willian Guy does my head in, he is lazy cannot take a corner let him go, only turns up against Spurs 

Tammy- Great return for his first season in the top flight, faded out after lockdown will have a lot to prove next season with our new German machine up top

Batshuayi sell him 

Giroud - solid player can always depend on him. 

CHO his attitude s all wrong doesn't seem to care when he comes on, just seems content with picking up his wage 

Pulisic What a little gem we have got on or hands 

We need to sort out the defence big time two cbs and a lb 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, killer1257 said:

Your replies are even more predictable lol.

We bought one of the most injury prone Bundesliga players and you expect him to be fully fit in a league, which is far more intense than Bundesliga. Pulisic missed more than 2 months last season and you give Lampard the fault that he gets injured. By the way, last season at BVB, he only got MUSCLE injuries. So he missed two and a half months with MUSCLE injuries and you give Lampard the fault that he gets MUSCLE injuries? If Zouma got muscle injuries all the time, I am the first one to say that maybe we should look deeper into it, but critisizing Lamps for Pulisic's injuries is insane.l am injury prone myself and I do not give other people the fault for my injuries. It is what it is.

Why is it Lamps fault that Sarri did play injured Kante, which had long term effects on Kante's hammy? Lampard did not ruin Kante's hammy, it was Sarri that did not care. Kante is now injury prone.

And I am fine having this conversation again next season, but not when Pulisic or Kante get injured. When non injury prone players start getting injured, we may have a bigger issue.

Had our defenders defended as well as or Lampard coached the team to defend as well as you defend Lampard here, we might have ended up winning a trophy.

Azpilicueta, Tomori, Alonso and IIRC, Kovacic are just few other players - other than Kante and Pulisic - to have suffered muscle injuries at one point or another this season. That is all I'll say...

1 hour ago, killer1257 said:

And in the past, we had more physically solid players. Drogba, Anelka, Lampard etc. Rarely get injured because they just are not injury prone. Even Hazard, one of the most fouled players in PL history rarely got injured, but now he is very injury prone because someone destroyed his ankle. When these injuries start occurring, it is hard to get rid of them.

(and) Or maybe we just had managers with coaches who know how to condition the players etc. Mourinho had Rui Faria for example. Heck, we even have Eva Carneiro - although her role was different - to treat players' injury. There is a reason why our injury record over the years have been good and it's not all down to the players because we all know athletes can get injured easily if they are not conditioned or trained properly. And you should know it since you sound like you have experience in this department. 

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58 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Here’s what I genuinely expect next season: 

No more 343. With the recruitment coming in, I will not accept any shithousery when this team has already shown they are capable playing progressive football. 
 

We should now be comfortably closing games out. Granted, Pulisic has shown to be our only match winner this season, but with the inclusion of Werner, Havertz, and Ziyech, we now have game winners across the pitch. 


Organization on counters. Lampard will have had now almost 16 months in management and I expect him to improve on our organisation when our players are in the third and lose the ball. 
 

Defending set pieces. Whether or not we improve on GK, LB, and CB, defending set pieces should not be as much as a problem it was for us this season. This is simply coaching. The moment we reverted to man marking, this has improved ten fold. 
 

Lastly, IN GAME MANAGEMENT. I expect now, with a year of experience and the new recruitment, Lampard will take the initiative and address issues immediately in game before it’s too late. 

Long story short, Lampard has no excuses or hiding place next season. 

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1 hour ago, Mana said:

Haha, I see you still remember that time me gunning for Howe. :lol:

Why wouldn't I?

I am a stalker after all. :Goober: 

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Lampard has to stop with the back 3 nonsense next season. It is fine if he plays that for specific games but he seems to have tendency to think 'oh, it worked in this game. so, let's use it for the next one too' even though the formation was used for a specific opponent. Things have always gone south in subsequent games when he has done that. Needs to bin that idea and stick with his overall plan!

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45 minutes ago, Jason said:

Lampard has to stop with the back 3 nonsense next season. It is fine if he plays that for specific games but he seems to have tendency to think 'oh, it worked in this game. so, let's use it for the next one too' even though the formation was used for a specific opponent. Things have always gone south in subsequent games when he has done that. Needs to bin that idea and stick with his overall plan!

True. Just this morning someone said that 3-4-3 might be our best formation for the next season, and I could not disagree more.

3-4-3 requires 2 complete midfielders who can defend and drive through the opposition, we have none of that ilk.

All said, i can still see why we played that, specially with our LB options.

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Enjoyed Lampard’s presser for once. Really laid into them. 
 

The switch off in intensity was well and truly unacceptable. At least it’s reassuring these players who failed their audition this season will either be benched or sold. 

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40 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Enjoyed Lampard’s presser for once. Really laid into them. 
 

The switch off in intensity was well and truly unacceptable. At least it’s reassuring these players who failed their audition this season will either be benched or sold. 

That is the one good thing with Frank... he may get it wrong tactically but he is no pussy when it comes to dropping players for poor performances and not one of those motherfuckers can stand up to him because there is no player on Earth that the fans would accept standing up to Lamps. 

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3 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Enjoyed Lampard’s presser for once. Really laid into them. 
 

The switch off in intensity was well and truly unacceptable. At least it’s reassuring these players who failed their audition this season will either be benched or sold. 

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5 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Enjoyed Lampard’s presser for once. Really laid into them. 

The switch off in intensity was well and truly unacceptable. At least it’s reassuring these players who failed their audition this season will either be benched or sold. 

One year into his regime and people are still reading so much into Lampard's pressers, especially post-match. Changes are inevitable, yesterday's match makes no difference.

Lampard is like a broken record these days whenever we lose a game. He talks about this problem, that problem and yet for example, he had chances - during drinks break and HT - to sort things out or change things around but nothing happened yesterday. The back 3 didn't work and has never worked against Arsenal and yet, he started with it and stuck with it. 

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He was dominated tactically by Arteta. We never had a stable period of dominance after the first 15 minutes. It doesn't help that we had midfielders who couldn't give a forward pass without losing the ball and pulisic (our only high quality player in attack/midfield) getting injured.

 

Lamps has to develop some sort of system/style of play to help the players. This is what coaches like conte/Mourinho of old did. Conte tactics made Moses/Alonso look quality. This current way we are playing where we are so random, depending on how good our players are on the day, without any recognised system means, the only way we can get successful under Lamps is to get quality players all over the pitch.

 

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